I don’t have anything against artificial meats, but I would be pissed.
I feel like this wasn’t the first straw, so to speak.
Why?
Because i don’t like being deceived.
“Oh no, there wasn’t any animal in this delicious meal. I feel so cheated.”
“Oh, no, you fed me something and chose to withhold its nature from me. I actually feel a bit pissed.”
No one gets pissed off like that. My friend says “you want some food? here try this.” “What is it?” “Dude just try it.” “Fine”
I trust my friends and family to not poison me. I can assume if they feed me its okay to eat and if anything is surprising its something like “thats vegan meat, isnt that crazy?” I also know who my vegan friends are because I can at least empathize with their goals. I drastically reduced my meat consumption because of it, and Im happy with this lifestyle. Oatmilk is awesome and Im glad i branched out haha.
I have a ton of serious issues related to foods. I promise you I will get fighting mad if someone puts something on my plate and hides their intent.
certainly not strangers?
So you’re fine if they would have skipped real Turkey into your vegan dish?
Of course not. But I just can’t understand for the life of me why anyone would have a problem with the delicious food they just ate turning out to be vegan.
Delicious lol
Are you really that obtuse?
The problem isn’t the food, it’s the lie. Maybe you don’t have a problem with being lied, but the rest of us do.
Does it matter, or isn’t it even positive, if the deception was successful?
Maybe if previous groundwork had been laid, the relationship was otherwise strong, and it wasn’t at such a symbolic event as Thanksgiving. But deception really burns a lot of bridges.
hey, if I swapped out your food for something I thought was better for buy you were actually allergic to, would you be okay with that?
My family has major issues with certain ingredients so we have to read every label pretty well. This is about safety. You don’t just hide shit like this from people.
Does vegan substitute turkey taste/feel like real turkey now? The only time I ever had something like that was years ago and it was terrible. If that stuff hasn’t improved I’d rather they just make some other vegan dish that’s actually good and isn’t just trying to be something it’s not. Or at least give me a heads up so I can eat something else before I come over. I’m not going to fight someone about it though.
Just did a quick google search and the products that came up look to be the same as what I had before.
It doesn’t even matter. That chud would be upset if the same happened in reverse, if someone hid meat is their food without telling them.
The problem here is that they have an agenda, and all actions are OK if it means their agenda is met. It’s about, “the ends justify the means”.
People who feel “I’m OK with deceiving someone who disagrees with me” are the worst kind of people. They treat their point of view as the one truth and any action can be justified if it meets the needs of the one truth.
It’s not what I am expecting. If it was agreed upon, then fine. You don’t just spring a tofu turkey on unsuspecting guests.
Yes, and maybe the sauce was made with vegan cream and zucchini was used instead of eggplant. The only thing that matters is whether it tastes good. Why does it matter if an animal died for it?
This is not about the animal.
If you substituted the tofu for a nut alternative you could be bringing people in harms way. They might not be deathly allergic but maybe it messes with their digestion or some medicine.
Open communication over food is important. Never trick people.
Some people don’t take well to soy. This might not have been the reason for the altercation here but that doesn’t excuse trickery.
Turkey is trash food. You can’t make it worse by removing the turkey.
So you don’t get to eat a dead animal, and your reaction is to want to beat the person up for that?
People’s mind is really messed up, and the comments confirm it.
You should always be upfront with the food you’re serving. What if the guy had an allergy to something in the turkey substitute?
Yeah, it’s not good nor smart.
When does it justify physical violence?
Nothing in this headline says they werent up front about it.
it’s deceptive, even if the intent is to do good
If someone swaps my toast bread for buckwheat toast bread, I’m not going to start beating them up.
This is a minor deception, it can warrant at most being a bit mad at the person,and the fact that everyone seems to be okay with physical violence in such a case is pretty worrying.
And let’s face it, the fact that it was about meat and a vegan is a big root of this, because people are so much into denial that they actually fantasize about beating up the people that remind them that it is immoral to eat meat.
And quick disclaimer, I am not vegan nor vegetarian, but I can simply admit that eating meat is immoral. For some reason people would rather defend more violence than to admit that.
Turkey is overrated, let’s make buffalo wings the new traditional meat
Seconded. Anyone ever seen a buffalo fly? They clearly aren’t using them anyway.
Has anyone ever made buffalo wings with turkey wings instead of chicken? Hmmm…
Hah I literally proposed this at Thanksgiving this year.
Wait, are we related?
Of all things to get violent about…
This free food is slightly different than what I expected!!!
“slightly”
I would usually just ignore this, but this is about pointless violence. Yeah vegan turkey is wildly different. But do you think that warrants violence?
If I got invited to a BBQ and they was smoking tofu, I’d still be excited to eat some food someone put effort into.
So I’ll ask, was the word “slightly” the big takeaway you got from my comment?
Look at it the other way around. If you were promised vegan food and your relative tried to trick you into eating meat, how would you feel about it?
I’m not defending violence by the way. There’s no justification for punching your brother or anyone else over this. My defence is for the emotions involved, not the violent response.
No, I am an omnivore. Someone tells me they are serving me meat and it’s actually plant is not the same as serving someone the opposite. I sat this as a meat eater.
As a veggie, I would say it is unethical and potentially dangerous to deceive people about food you are providing them. Please don’t do this, it’s not hard to be honest.
If I tell you we’re going to the football game and you’re excited for that and then I take you to the ballet instead, it’s still wrong! It’s lying!
We all have the right to feel angry and betrayed when someone we trust lies to us. Vegans don’t have any ethical right to lie to people and most vegans I know are strongly opposed to lying to people about their food.
What if the meat eater has an allergy and now they’re going to the hospital because you lied about the ingredients of the food you served them? If you’re a deontologist then you don’t get to hide behind moral luck here. You’re at fault for the deception regardless of the consequences, just as drunk drivers are at fault regardless of whether or not they hit anyone.
If I tell you we’re going to the football game and you’re excited for that and then I take you to the ballet instead, it’s still wrong! It’s lying!
Football enthusiasts are generally not morally opposed to ballet. This is not a good metaphor. Imagine instead that you’re opposed to the death penalty, and I tell you that we’re going to the ballet, but it’s actually a public execution. I desperately hope that you can understand that that’s worse than the reverse situation.
A vegan diet is a subset of a vegetarian diet is a subset of an omnivorous diet. It’s taboo to feed a vegan meat because it lies outside their dietary restrictions, and it’s not taboo to feed an omnivore plants because they’re within their dietary restrictions.
More importantly there’s the moral implications of it. Vegans are (generally) morally opposed to eating meat, but omnivores are not morally opposed to eating plants. Imagine a greater set of foods of which an omnivorous diet is a subset. Say, human veal. Imagine you lived in a society where the majority of people were okay with eating human children, and one of them tried to fool you into eating one. That would be an entirely different situation to you trying to feed one of them turkey, right?
You’re going way off the deep end here. It’s really simple: lying is a moral wrong. Vegans do not get a special moral exemption to trick people into eating vegan food under the false pretence that they’re eating meat.
If you’re honest about what you’re feeding people then there’s no issue because they have the ability to make informed consent and decide not to eat it.
No, I’m just looking at it realistically instead of dumbing it down to a kindergarten reading level. “Lying bad” is such a numbskull take. Obviously it’s better to be honest about the food you’re serving people, but different lies are different amounts of bad. I shouldn’t even have to explain this. If you feed me a seemingly mushroom-based dish, then reveal that it was actually made with tofu, that’s not good. For all you know, I’m allergic to soy. If you instead tell me that that dish actually had veal in it, that would be worse.
On top of not knowing about any potential allergies, there’s an extra layer of moral opposition. I’m not giving vegans some special pass here, that was the point of the cannibalism example. You feeding a cannibalistic friend beef under the pretense that it’s human meat isn’t a good thing, but it’s not as bad as your cannibalistic friend feeding you long pig under the pretense that it’s pork.
“Lying bad” is such a numbskull take
Deontology is the ethical basis for veganism. If you’re lying to your meat-preferring friends to trick them into eating plant-based alternatives then you’re using your friends in an attempt to further your own aims; you’re using other people as a means to an end. That’s not a mildly bad thing, that’s a violation of one of the ethical principles (prohibition on exploitation) of veganism.
Now I don’t support reacting with violence to something like that but I do believe it’s fully justified to decline to dine with a friend/relative in future who does that.
Also, turkey is garbage meat.
Turkey is delicious. Big skill issue
No argument here, but it’s a nice departure from chicken the other 364 days.
Oof you shouldn’t be eating chicken every day cause of the Mercury buildup.
I don’t. I’m usually a big veggie person. But $5 rotisserie is kinda what’s up.
The question is whether expectations were just not met or whether lying was involved.
Serving food under false pretense is not OK. People should be informed what they are consuming.
I wouldn’t want to be served meat in something otherwise vegan just because they think it doesn’t count.
This amusing, considering the vegan would be losing their shit worse if the switch went the other way…
It’s not quite the same though, is it? Vegans don’t eat meat, but meat eaters do eat plants (barring some very fringe diets).
Fuck yeah! I like you pony!
Vegans are known for how much they want to commit acts of violence, yes. 🙄🙄🙄
What an idiot
Quorn Turkey Roast is pretty good.
All I’m saying is that the inverse would be talked about for years
No it wouldn’t be. I grew up vegetarian and I regularly had people sneaking meat into my food, giggling after I ate it and mocking me for “no longer being vegetarian”. Nobody ever cared.
Yeah that’s normal unfortunately. Decking them for it on the other hand…
That’s how they consent to you putting things in their food that they wouldn’t normally want.
downvoters dont have siblings or friends, and I feel bad for then
No you just don’t get it bro, their thing is funny but my thing must always be dangerous or something.
If that is not an AI image I will eat my hat
The picture is probably AI or the post itself is AI. I couldn’t find the actual post from Fox News. All I could see is social media posts posting this screenshot.
(This is the most meta thing I’ve done.)
Why can’t it just be fake (like Photoshop)? Shit man does everything gotta be AI these days? 🥲
Photoshop has better lighting and contrast than AI. They’re off on the picture.
Depends on who uses the Photoshop
But how do you know the photo of the guy is fake? Why not just a fake tweet (easily photoshopped) using a real photo? Lighting and contrast can vary widely based on camera, conditions and editing do I don’t see any clear indication that it’s AI-generated.
Looks like the fight was semi successful given that shiner on the left eye
lol what an insecure little bitchass
ITT: People with skill issues when it comes to turkey.
People would be saying the same thing about brisket if that was the traditional Thanksgiving meal.
Turkey is a surprisingly unforgiving meat being made by a lot of home cooks that don’t that don’t actually know how to properly prep and cook it.
see, this is an example of how it should be, instead of people who conflate “understanding motives” with “approving of motives”
I couldn’t say the number of times I’ve been downvoted and shat upon for answering the question “what were they thinking / why did they do this?” with a plausible reason for somebody else’s actions. but it’s high enough to have pissed me off enough to mostly just hate people until they show me otherwise (among many other reasons) nowadays
The question “what were they thinking […]” comes with the secret addendum of “[…] to justify this”.
By answering the question posed you are justifying them at least in the mind of most people. Most people can see what they were thinking just fine. They are asking why that would justify their behaviour.
yeah, it doesn’t, though. otherwise it would be asked. people making that assumption are dumb.
This is what I am telling you. You are the person missing a generally agreed upon thing. That is not a judgement on your intelligence mind you.
People usually do not need these kind of pointers, so they are left out. People always shorten things they assume to be implied.
It is entirely fine to miss these things and some people do. Being surprised that people misinterpret your comments regularly should give you pause.
I see your point. and I still disagree.
just because many people are stupid, doesn’t mean it’s right. there’s also no way to know the ratio, and my experience indicates that most people agree with my perspective.
Your experience according to yourself is such that people down vote you because they do not see it like you do. How does that influence your experience? Are you just throwing away all indicators that you might be wrong?
I do not think you are dumb but I think your view on other people is clouded by the need to be right. I suffer of this as well but calling people dumb and never reflecting is not the way even if the alternative is hard.
If it was chicken i could understand but i bet the vegan alternatives tasted better than the turkey
Turkey is F tier poultry though so I get wanting to have nothing to do with it.
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I don’t do thanksgiving but I understand it. Seitan is just delicious.
