Billionaire tax should be 99%, no breaks or deductions. Boom I said it.
Even double digit millionaires shouldn’t exist.
Well, then, fuck him.
Ladies and gentelmen, California Bush
Is anyone really surprised? He’s just a neoliberal that’s had a lot of good press this year.
On the side of the billionaires and the zionists. He’ll be the next president for sure.
And don’t forget he is also throwing trans people under the bus to.
just having lived in california is enough for a lot of states to vote against you
And so it begins. Abandon all progressive ideas to appeal to the “centrist”, only to lose to the fascist again. I hate it here.
Gavin never supported progressive ideals?
Eh, early in his term he did a bunch of good stuff, it’s just rightly overshadowed by the bad stuff.
Yeah and while he’s probably not enough of a progressive, he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.
It needs to be nationwide, but Newsom probably wouldn’t do that as president either. Too many billionaire pals and donors.
he also might not be bothering with the billionaire tax because the billionaires would all just fly off Hawaii or Nevada or Jackson Hole or wherever to avoid paying it anyway.
That basically never actually happens. See: New York.
You can’t abandon ideals that you never held.
I got a fiver that says he has to try to walk this back when he runs “the most progressive campaign in us history” in 2028.
I mean, how lucky are we? Hillary, Biden, Kamala, all with “the most progressive platform” ever!
And before that, Obama, Kerry, and if I remember right even fucking Gore were all accused of being the most radical left Presidential candidates in American history.
Funny how the Democratic Party keeps running more and more progressive candidates - both the Republicans and Democrats say they’re doing it, so it must be true - and yet the Democratic Party keeps moving more and more to the right.
oh yeah, totally feeling lucky, think I’ll go buy a lottery ticket.
edit: I lost.
What’s “progressive” about ignoring 999,999,999 dollars? Focusing on an arbitrary number isn’t smart.
I voted for him twice, but that was a solid dick move. Right now, I’m liking Mark Kelly’s chances though I’d rather have someone more forward thinking.
And sorry folks. AOC just hasn’t got the experience yet. Senate seat or a Cabinet position first.
This guy fuckmurders the homeless while whoring for billionaires. Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?
His sales pitch is centered around “I’m not a Republicantm!”
Most people on this planet don’t lose a second of sleep or shed one tear if the poor die, including the poor.
On the assumption that we are able to vote at the time, if it’s between him and
<insertAuthoritarianDouchebagHere>, I’ll vote for him.However, I’d imagine that most of my fellow U. S. Citizens are well aware that this sheister is not some sort of “friend” of the poor and the middle class.
I’d vote for him over Trump, but he has not won me over by any stretch, just like Harris, Biden, and (Hillary) Clinton.
A fun PR person sending tweets is insufficient to win my vote. I wouldn’t be voting for him, I’d be voting against Trump, as has been the case each time Trump has been on the ballot.
Why the fuck should anyone vote for this prick?
Same reason they voted for Hillary and Joe.
They don’t want things to change.
He’s also pro-genocide.
You’re not voting for him. You’re voting against the other guy.
THATS. HOW. TRUMP. WON.
How have ppl not realized not being Trump can’t be your entire platform!?!?
I think Gavin is counting on voting laws not changing and him going against a different Republican challenger instead of Trump.
I’m personally hoping a different candidate wins the Democratic primary instead of Gavin, and I would support a more progressive option in the primary instead in 2028.
You’re 100% right that actually selling a platform matters more than chasing Republicans. Dems not even trying to sell anything more than a lukewarm, water down platform is what hammered them in 2024.
People need hope and we need Presidential candidates willing to bake risk into their messaging, such as passing Universal Healthcare and a Universal Basic Income program. Voters will move if a leader is compelling with their messaging and shows that the positive change they could bring would matter to them personally.
Then vote in the fucking primary. I. The general you sit up and back the better candidate no matter how shit.
At this point in time I’m pretty sure you would win in a landslide if you ran on taxing billionaires. Is being greedy a requirement to be a politician in the US?
If you’re not greedy, the billionaires won’t fund your campaign. Then you lose.
That would only be true if most people couldn’t think for themselves and it was possible to spend money to influence their opinion.
Exactly.
Huh. What got deleted by a mod if you agree?
Don’t know. What got deleted?
Whatever you were replying to.
The thing I replied to says, “That would only be true if most people couldn’t think for themselves and it was possible to spend money to influence their opinion”.
FINALLY. Someone thinking about the billionaires.
Can we stop being stupid?
This doesn’t mean he thinks billionaires shouldn’t pay more taxes. It means it’s childish and stupid to focus on a single number when it comes to actual policy.
You know what stupid not seeing this for what it is. Pandering to billionaires for campaign contributions. Thus the citizens unit comment. I just wanted to get in there and really spell it out for you because you seem a bit dim.
You know what stupid not seeing this for what it is. Pandering to billionaires for campaign contributions.
Jesus christ, you guys are such excitable morons. Newsome will undo Trump’s tax cuts. Everyone knows that, including billionaires.
Keep calling me stupid when you believe in some dumbfuck baseless conspiracy theory that Newsome raising taxes SOMEHOW won’t affect billionaires so they’ll give him money.
More bullshit unsubstantiated lies from MAGA’s best friend, phoney fucking “prorgressives” who can’t think past fucking buzzwords.
I’d argue. It’s pretty fucking stupid if you can’t wrap your head around how the destruction of the middle class in America and the consolidation of wealth in the hands of 10,000 or so people has been a fucking tragedy for our political system. Hell it’s been a tragedy for our countries basic cohesion. I don’t really think you need to be labeling things as stupid. You didn’t even come up with a real rebuttal. This reply was moronic and there’s really nothing else I can go on so: fuck you have a great day.
How many times are you going to respond to my same comment, psycho?
Here’s a policy suggestion. Remove citizens united.
Uh ok? I agree with that and nothing I said would indicate otherwise.
Most of the political issues I’m dealing with stem from wealth inequality. That makes me a single issue voter. Perhaps that is childish.
And when has putting in Republicans in power improved wealth inequality? You’re a single issue voter helping the party that opposes said issue. Pretty fucking embarrassing.
At some point the left needs to realize that sitting out voting doesn’t work. Yes the candidate sucks from your political stance but they are better than the alternative and it gives a platform from which to push left. This has been the playbook of the right for decades and is why they have been so successful in shifting the Overton window. They vote in any circumstance even if the candidate isn’t as right leaning as they would prefer but to them at least it’s not a dem.
Edit: to be clear I’m all for taxing billionaires and corporations far more.
We still have ample time to get someone better than Gavin.
Your vote is your voice. A vote is earned not expected.
As a permanent resident who cannot vote but pays 6 figures in taxes. VOTE. Some of us aren’t so lucky
I’ll never vote for Newsom. I’ve stated that on here before. He’s anti-trans and deep in corporate pockets. The Getty family owns him.
So you’re ok with Trump. Got it. How’s his stance on Trans people?
Here we go again… “If you don’t vote for Biden you support Trump!” … “If you don’t vote for Harris you support Trump!” … “If you don’t vote for X you support Trump!”
I wonder how that works in solid color states. If you vote third party in a solid blue state, does that mean a vote for red? Or is it actually a vote for blue if you ask for a red voter’s opinion on the matter?
Going off the theory that your vote is actually for the person a particular voter opposes, does that mean your protest vote is actually determined by the popular vote? For example, if you protest voted the 2024 election, does that mean you actually voted blue because red won the popular vote? Assuming that every color says the protest vote voted for their enemies.
Staunch third party voter reporting in. Voting for the big two feels like an obligation given to me by the powerful. Third party is vastly more exciting!
Every vote is a push in one direction or the other in the US. You can vote to push right, you can vote to push left, or you can avoid voting and let the rest of us decide for you. But the last time a bunch of leftists weren’t thrilled with the options, the electorate voted to push right. From your valid gripes against Newsom, I’m gonna guess that was not what you wanted.
Come election day, one of the two candidates is guaranteed to become president. You cannot stop that. I won’t try to say Newsom is ideal or even a good candidate. I’d love to see someone else run instead. But if you want an even more leftist candidate next time, the country has to show they’ll tolerate movement in that direction, and that means not electing another fucking Republican.
Every action is a vote for something. It never hurts to consider the consequences.
By all means push forward a better candidate than Newsom. And I hope you succeed. But if you don’t, and it turns out that in the end it’s going to be either Newsom or Vance (or even Trump), then who would you rather have?
It’s not the left who sits out, it’s less politically engaged people. Bought out “Centrist” candidates fail to motivate turnout while getting negligible Republican voters to switch. Progressive candidates do better at both. They’re safer bets. Left wingers try and explain this and get blamed
Why can’t voters just vote for candidates that actually care about the working class?
Why do we have to play this “fall in line” nonsense so rich people can be even richer?
Why are we so stupid and proud of it?
“This candidate is not perfect enough for me, a paragon of virtue, and he’s worse than having a right wing dictatorship under trump” is what I am hearing from a lot of people and boy do it smell like bitch in here.
The only reason Newsom has had any interest from the broader electorate is that he was outspoken in opposing Trump. The minute he enters the primary and starts spouting the same valueless, donor-approved, corporate drivel as Kamala, Jefferies, Schumer, etc., he’s going to flame out fast.
You mean idiots will refuse to vote for him while refusing to scrutinize his opposition.
His, “opposition,” is going to be other Democratic primary challengers. Can you at least wait until there’s a nominee before you start in with the, “Oh, you want the Republicans to win!?!?” bullshit?
If Newsome gets the nod, which is the assumption we were all OBVIOUSLY operating one for the purpose of this conversation, people are already all over this thread saying they wouldn’t vote him and would hand the presidency to Republicans.
Just like they did last November. They’re right to scrutinize Harries, every politician should be. But they’re WRONG to stop at Harris. They give Trump a pass. Then they act like they have the moral high ground and gloat about bringing Trump back to power.
If Newsome gets the nod, which is the assumption we were all OBVIOUSLY operating one for the purpose of this conversation
That’s a weird assumption to make considering I started this conversation by saying, “The minute [Newsom] enters the primary…he’s going to flame out fast.”
They love to simp for the DNC, check their history. They are currently defending Newsom doing this and other things he’s done.
It’s just fascinating to watch someone argue that we can’t criticize the Democratic nominee without helping Republicans even though we’re three years away from getting a Democratic nominee.
No criticism, only votes!
No platform, only votes!
No primaries, only votes!
No speech, only votes!
You voted in a way they didn’t like? HOW DARE YOU!
If this is the Democratic candidate, and there is no adequate progressive 3rd party candidate, 2028 will be the first election I sit out since 2000.
I am DONE accepting milquetoast corporate right wing democrats just because they aren’t literally insane. John Kerry was my first, and Kamala Harris is my last. I swear to fucking god.
I feel that.
