MentalEdge

Eskating cyclist, gamer and enjoyer of anime. Probably an artist. Also I code sometimes, pretty much just to mod titanfall 2 tho.

Introverted, yet I enjoy discussion to a fault.

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  • The first is to defend the status quo.

    I want change. I thought I made that clear.

    What I don’t agree with, is laws being pointless. Their ideal is to use violence to reduce and prevent violence.

    Human society needs that. Done well they are a net good.

    And you’re just doing that with ideas you misunderstand so badly i can’t even bring myself to correct you on.

    “You’re so wrong I can’t even describe it”, and you’re saying I’m the one trying to be edgy?

    Really convenient excuse to not actually engage.

    Things are sometimes simple though. Violence indeed bad. Best avoided. Not a good thing.

    Yes.

    Yet, it can be used to do good.

    And doing so is not only possible, but necessary.

    Youve clearly lived a very sheltered life and violence to you is just an abstraction. Youve never experienced the world so its really easy to imagine its all as flat and consequence free as your abstractions.

    Ok? Figuring someone out, even if you pull it off, doesn’t invalidate their logic.

    And you’re picking and choosing among the things I’ve said. I’m not gonna repeat myself by pointing out the contradictions in these conclusions with what you should know about me.

    I’m going to stop now. I’m pretty sure you’re a troll at this point. You’ve only made less sense, as you enigmatically refuse to elaborate in favor of attempts to discredit rather than dismantle.


  • So to start off with, youre using one example of game theory, the prisoners dilemma, as a stand in for right/wrong.

    I’m not. People can also co-operate to do bad things. The principle still applies.

    You either screw over others for individual benefit, or co-operate for collective benefit. That collective benefit can still be bad and come at the cost of your group defecting against another. Like a nation going to war.

    Or a small group in an advantaged position co-operating to enforce laws against a far larger group.

    Your oversimplification is stuff like “laws bad” or “violence bad”. Far more egregious imo.

    At least I apply logic that can be adapted to describe multiple scenarios, instead of boiling things down to flat statements.


  • No. I’m asking how you’d make the child mode a truly one-way thing.

    And you’ve essentially just admitted that you aren’t actually suggesting that at all.

    Physically blowing a fuse in a CPU to achieve an equivalent result to a text file containing a date, is a little silly.

    If you’re gonna fall back on legal assurances anyway, simply make it a software thing. Not being able to just unlock your devices when you’re old enough is a recipe for e-waste, anyway.

    In this system, no adults would have to age verify. No adult identity would be sent anywhere. All devices are “adult” by default.

    That makes no sense. A single bit isn’t significant unless read and enforced by software. And if you’re suggesting “burning” or “purging” some kind of token that is to be authenticated to show a device is in one mode or the other… Then you’ve just added a new kind of hardware id.

    And are you saying adults escape any kind of tracking… But kids don’t?


  • Poetic. Unfortunately wordsmithing does not replace logic.

    Violence is to defect.

    A minority will always choose to defect, and they or their ability to do so must be removed.

    This creates an incentive for co-operators to co-operate, by defecting against defectors en-masse. These are laws (or their ideal, rather). Whether you write them down and enact ceremony around them is inconsequential.

    To wish for a system where all-defectors are not dealt with the only way which is effective, to defect back instead of co-operate in vain, is naive.

    That you think I need to be told that that is still violence, even more so.

    You call me childish, yet you make statements that so grossly simplify reality, that real discussion with you may be impossible.