Rebecca Joynes allegedly became pregnant after having sex with one of her victims, known as boy B, Manchester Crown Court heard - she denies the allegations against her.
Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.
The 30-year-old was already suspended from her job and on bail for alleged sexual activity with boy A, 15, when she allegedly took the virginity of a second boy, known as boy B, 16, who she later became pregnant by.
Joynes denies that any sexual activity took place with boy A - whose semen was recovered from her bedsheets.
Notice how it says “having sex with” instead of “raping” because she is a woman.
Yeah as fucked up as it is men cannot be raped by women according to the definition under UK law. That’s what I read anyway someone please correct me though because I would love to be wrong here.
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I honestly think that’s more about ensuring that they can charge trans women with rape (which they obviously should, when relevant). It seems like the thing they’re commenting on is the pronoun, not the noun.
Where I am, penetrating someone with an object counts and they phrase it very differently
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The last time I pasted a Wikipedia link on a world news community I was banned
.ml? The mods there are really ban-happy, especially if you say something counter to tankie orthodoxy and back it up with unassailable logic and/or data lol
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Maybe there are stats on the number of bans a community has. That’d be interesting to have an idea of how much a community is policing.
It’d be up near the top for sure! Of the four times total I’ve been banned on Lemmy,
- one was a legitimate one for breaking the “be excellent to each other” rule in !technology@lemmy.world by getting far too heated while arguing with a pro-cop person
- one was a misunderstanding where making fun of Mitch McConnell got me banned from [!politics@lemmy.world(https://lemmy.world/m/politics) for “celebrating the death” of his sister in law
- the other two was absolutely bullshit !worldnews@lemmy.ml bans for
- supposed “sinophobia” (expressing unease about Chinese cops cooperating with Orban’s fascist government in Hungary) and
- “McCarthyism” for calmly and truthfully explaining that West Germany and later modern day Germany actually DID ever stop with the Nazism
I cannot officially speak on behalf of any other mods, but I can’t imagine any of us deleting a Wikipedia link. Really, any mainstream source is acceptable. If you posted a link to something like womencantrapemen.co.uk, that might be a different issue.
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IDK why people hate on Wikipedia links so much. Most wiki pages provide sources at the bottom of the page and are annotated, the [12] at the end.
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Because a lot of Wikipedia pages can be edited by anyone, sure some are annotated at the end but lots are not as well. Therefore the trust of Wikipedia is in question.
EDIT: you can downvoted all you want but even Wikipedia itself says that everyone can edit the page.
I think Wikipedia is a fine source for general information. It’s when you want specifics that you move on. The sources list at the bottom is usually helpful for that.
I disagree, it’s a starting point but it is not trustable source at all. We differ in opinions and that’s alright.
German law is curious (and well-written) in that regard. “rape” is something an offence may be called but it’s not a category of offence in itself. There’s one single section covering sexual assault in various aggravation stages:
(1) Whoever, against a person’s discernible will, performs sexual acts on that person or has that person perform sexual acts on them, or causes that person to perform or acquiesce to sexual acts being performed on or by a third person incurs a penalty of imprisonment for a term of between six months and five years.
[…](6) In especially serious cases, the penalty is imprisonment for a term of at least two years. An especially serious case typically occurs where
- the offender has sexual intercourse with the victim or has the victim have sexual intercourse or commits such similar sexual acts on the victim or has the victim commit them on them which are particularly degrading for the victim, especially if they involve penetration of the body (rape), or
- the offence is committed jointly by more than one person.
Note the “at least two years” doesn’t inherit the “up to five years” of the previous section and there’s even higher minimums for carrying weapons, risk of damage to health, etc.
Only acts involving penetration are considered rape but it doesn’t say by who or what, and even if the e.g. forced face-sitting didn’t involve penetration it’s still going to be on the same aggravation level.
OTOH under German law what she did probably doesn’t even begin to be rape it’s sexual abuse of persons in one’s charge.
Can confirm. It’s the same in my British former colony.
Statutory rape does not exist as an offence in English law. The offence is sexual contact with a minor.
The age of consent is 16 but 18 if the older party is in a position of responsibility (like a teacher). So whether or not she had unlawful sexual contact with the second boy would depend on how that law was interpreted, as well as when the first contact took place.
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Oh no men are calling out sexism, how terrible
Notice how it says it was consensual and they were at the age of consent?
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Raping two students.
Cool now give her the same sentence a male teacher should get
Pedophile upset that raping children got her cut off from easy access to a pool of children to rape.
Pedophile
Ephebophile*
A distinction that only matters to people who want to fuck kids.
I think the distinction is important so as not to detract from what is arguably more horrible and worthy of condemnation — pedophilia.
not a drag queen
Fucking pedophile
*ephebophile
(…) boy B rowed and could not decide on whether to keep the baby or have an abortion.
Boy B claims he tried to end the relationship but did not know how to, called her a “paedo” and told her to find someone her own age but claimed emotional pressure came from Joynes to keep their relationship going.
Just in case someone is uneducated enough to not to understand why grooming is bad, this is what it leads to.
Rape is not a stupid mistake. It’s an intentional action that is immoral and illegal and should be punished as such.
And it’s even less of a mistake when you do it again
How can she possibly deny that when the evidence is undeniable?
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She raped a child and emotionally manipulated them into continuing it after the child attempted to end it. Not nice. Not even close.
You need context from the show to get this meme. This episode is a satire on how women who molest minors are treated differently and how some people are inclined to congratulate the molested instead of seeing them as victims.
It’s not nice, and we need to view the attitude of situations like this being “nice” as messed up. Hence the meme.
Yeah that’s what that scene from South Park is satirizing if I remember correctly
Like the others said, it’s actually a gif from an episode in which this specific double-standard is addressed… through satirical comedy.
The gif is perfect for this post.
Lol I always laugh when people comment on stuff like this with absolutely no idea of the context behind it
WHOOSH
Let’s hope it’s not just her job she ruined but het life too, by going to prison.
terfs will claim she technically didn’t sexually assault anyone here.
also jk rowling will not mention this
Can we face a rule that the country must be in the title if the post?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A teacher accused of having sex with two teenage pupils has told a jury she ruined her “dream job” with stupid “mistakes”.
Rebecca Joynes denies having sex with the two boys but admitted, in Manchester Crown Court, to having broken safeguarding rules by being in contact with them on Snapchat and having them back to her apartment in Salford Quays.
In court she also maintains that the relationship with boy B only began after he had left school and she had lost her job, so no legal offence was committed.
Mr Allman alleged that both boys were 15 when she began taking them into her flat and she communicated with both on Snapchat - where messages are deleted and not recoverable by police.
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Mr Allman said that Joynes had a supportive family, sister and a best friend back home but instead chose the company of a 15-year-old boy.
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