The guy who couldn’t run a livestream on Twitter last night wants to put computer chips in your brain.
Same guy who called a cave diver a pedo… because the world class cave diver who was risking his life told him how his sub was crap
And he didn’t want to listen to experts
Of course there will be no law on mars that says he HAS to provide Oxygen, and if you don’t have an oxygen reserve for just that occasion then really it’s your own fault.
shouldn’t have spend all of your eloncoin on martian avocado toast
Geev deese peepuhl ayuh!
And Boeing wants to build the spaceship. Sounds like a recipe for success.
Do it.
Then get the billionaires to fight over the “right” to go first, then sit back and enjoy some fireworks lol
Logitech’s gonna sell some more F710s.
Sadly Musk said he’s not interested in ever going to space himself.
Must have a lot of faith in his own grift.
Guess we’ll have to figure out another way for him to implode…
Do people really think we’ll colonize mars soon?
Colonizing the bottom of the ocean would be orders of magnitude cheaper, and more practical. Same with Antarctica. And there’s a reason we don’t do that.
I hate to sound anal, but I don’t think the public appreciates how monumentally difficult space travel is, and how it gets exponentially worse with every ounce you have to carry. Even with theoretical, morally questionable tech like fission fragment drives or whatever.
Pressure is way harder to deal with than a vacuum, not that i think mars is happening any time soon
Both have unique challenges, but overall brucethemoose is right about the overall cost comparison. For instance, we could easily have a “space elevator” equivalent to the bottom of the ocean, it’d be a fraction of the cost of maintaining a freight network to mars. Pressure is hard to deal with, but not as difficult as it is to get shit out of a gravity well as dense as Earth.
The main point is the usable resources. You’d have a damn near infinite source of usable resources at the bottom of the ocean meanwhile on Mars everything would need to be scavenged or shipped.
I’m not aware of any reason on why we’d want to colonize the bottom of the ocean, but there’s many reasons to want to become a multi-planetary species. Space exploration has also lead to many technologies being used in everyday life today.
What’s morally questionable about fission fragment drives?
there’s many reasons to want to become a multi-planetary species
Yes but it’s a fantasy. The scenario where mars would be truly independant of earth is basically impossible without the far more likely reality:
If we survive that long, we won’t be squishy humans anymore. Uploaded, AI, genetically engineered biotech, take your pick, but shuttling regular humans around this century just doesn’t make sense.
Going to the moon was a fantasy at one point. I just don’t see any downsides to trying to become multi-planetary. Even if it fails there would still be technology developed in pursuit of that goal that helps life on earth.
There is a big difference between a scientific mission and a self sustaining presence.
The later is still so far off that, as was said, other technological “paths” are decades, if not centuries, closer. If we survive on Earth that long.
What I am getting at is that viewing Mars colonization as a means to preserve human life is absolutely nuts. It’s literally impossible in a reasonable timeframe, even with speculative technology/engineering, without changing humanity to the point that the whole fantasy changes anyway.
This multi-planetary species thing just won’t work. The most likely scenario is that we fail. However, if we succeed the species will split very quickly on account of Mars’ unique evolutionary environment. You would get earth humans and Mars humans, and knowing our nature as a peaceful species, I am pretty sure we’d wipe each other out in no time.
That wouldn’t happen for an extremely long time. It will be many generations before Mars would be self sufficient enough that they could wage war on Earth. I don’t feel like that’s enough of a possibility to not even try colonizing another planet.
Oh and on FF drives, fhey’re kind of messy and risk pollution if they fail near earth (though not nearly as much as other nuclear designs). It’s fine for scientific missions, but becomes much more eyebrow raising en masse for a Mars colonization type effort.
IIRC the fissile material needs to be relatively high grade.
I don’t know if I quite agree with that being a morale issue. But that same logic nuclear reactors are immoral because if they blow up they can cause a lot of harm.
I do agree that it is a little sketchy for human flight, but they wouldn’t use it if there was a significant chance of it harming the people on board.
, but they wouldn’t use it if there was a significant chance of it harming the people on board.
This is spaceflight. There is always a tremendous chance of harm to people on board, even with speculative nuclear technology to get the spacecraft a little less like thin paper bags.
I would highly recommend reading up on Project Rho, on somewhat feasable near term technologies if we can just figure out the engineering: https://projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/
They’re awesome, and I hope they get funded. But it will also dispell any illusuion you have of spaceflight being remotely practical on a large scale.
Colonizing the bottom of the ocean would be harder than colonizing Mars. Not that either is a great idea, but just saying.
new zealand did it
Spaceships in many ways are safer than sitting at the bottom of a ditch with 7 miles of water sitting on top of you at 30,000 atmospheres of pressure.
It’s also darker at the bottom of the ocean than in space.
Again… it’s hard to appreciate how insanely difficult space travel is.
Just as an example, the lower stages of rockets are kind of like coke cans in terms of how much fuel they carry vs the actual machine itself. The engineering is insane. Just dropping a big chassis into the ocean in so much cheaper its hilarious.
Yes, space travel is insanely difficult.
But there is a reason why we still have not discovered the majority of the ocean. Because it is even more difficult.
I always was optimistic when I was young but the older I get the more I realise why we will not have fucking flying cars, Mars colonisation
You guys don’t understand. He was DOS DOS DOS DOS DOS DOS… sorry my brain chip reset, happy new year, what are your plans for 2023?
So he ran out of his 640k base memory?
I’m for boarding every billionaire onto a mars rocket and send em there for Earth’s sake! Cause that’s what they get anyway. A unhabitable planet where only some people with tons of money live with great technology.
Sell all inclusive tickets for the full value of their hoarded wealth, then distribute it to those who need it the most. And instead of Mars, they land on the moon and the atmosphere vents.
Nah. Send em to mars, we can make a reality show out of it. They think they are the smartest most productive people, let’s watch and see.
Aight, yeah, I’m into that!
I actually don’t think it’s a big deal that there were technical problems, there were millions of people trying to get in at the same time. What I don’t like is him lying that it was a ddos attack.
What’s weird to me though, is if they were just overloaded at the time, wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to just say that and sound like you’re super popular and in demand, than to make up some fake attack? I guess persecution complex beats ego stroking.
It’s perfect for him and Trump: they’re victims, for one, and the “radical left” is out to silence their critical message.
I can imagine the people responsible for the tech lied to Elon that it was an attack, so he doesn’t fire them
The guy who couldn’t run a live stream on twitter last night sells people „self driving” cars.
As I learned from Heinlein, you treat others with respect in a vacuum. Especially if there’s an airlock nearby.
It’s not like he would be out in space/on mars.
We only send the best to space.
He hasn’t been to space, has he? I’ve always been curious why 🧐
It’s essentially the same thing as far as ambient pressure and the human body is concerned. Just 0.006atm.
Tbf, he would’ve also had an entire team of professionals there specifically to make sure this exact thing didn’t happen
And he STILL fucked it up
Y’mean all the experts he fired?
I imagine most of the actual professionals have left or been kicked out at this point.
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Sounds like a future episode of Black Mirror which will throw shades at a certain narcissistic billionaire who runs a Mars colony and ran it to the ground.
He ran a live stream with like 8 million concurrent users and close to 1 billion views over a short period of time. But keep your hate circle jerk going.
I forgot all about this. But also. “Give these people airrr”
