“Well, I also was good at finding faults in anyone who were trying to improve some things and attack them for not improving all things.”
“Have you considered that it just wasn’t thrilling enough for me to vote against literal fascism?”
Absolutely hate the people who would sell out my child’s future over some holy war in the desert held by idiots—I mean religious zealots—terrorizing each other. They’re both wrong, don’t sell us out over it.
It’s comments like these that make non-americans like me pray for the fall of the American Empire. Seriously, you people don’t even see the people you murder overseas as human.
I don’t murder anyone. I don’t support either side of that conflict. I don’t like religious people very much. I’d cut support for Israel with the snap of my fingers if I could.
You look at a genocide being committed by your government that you support and say “I hate people who would oppose it”
Because they’re fine with us living in an authoritarian state (that is even less friendly to Palestine, btw) for the sake of it.
You had a better chance of stopping or slowing it if you didn’t let the other side take over our entire government, now Israel has a full pass. Your strategy backfired and made America worse for it.
Sometimes you have to know how to pick and choose your battles. Just like Oct 7 was a cowardly and incredibly stupid move of you truly wanted to end the apartheid state. Murdering people at a music festival was stupid. Maybe if you had fought the IDF in an actual war declared for independence you would’ve have a shit ton more support globally
See what I mean? You American’s are absurdly selfish; you’re fine committing genocide so long as you don’t have to live in an “authoritarian state” (I would argue that a state that is committing genocide regardless of how the people vote is already authoritarian, but as I said, you don’t consider foreigners humans)
Naturally a genocidal American like you thinks Palestinians should never fight back and just meekly be destroyed. You also disprove your own point by demonstrating that no matter what they do, you’ll always believe the propaganda from Israel: like how you think October 7th was just “Murdering people at a music festival”, when it involved attacking multiple military bases and killed hundreds of IDF soldiers (ending up with a far better civilian to soldier ratio than Israel ever does.)
In general, American’s have made it clear that they will never stop killing us by the thousands, and that the only thing that will end it is the collapse of your empire, so in that regard, I welcome anything that destabilizes the USA, and I’m certainly not going to feel sympathy for genocidal Americans getting a taste of what they do to us.
You had a better chance of stopping or slowing it if you didn’t let the other side take over our entire government
Too many Lemmyites didn’t vote hard enough. That’s why every single state in the country trended Republican in 2024. You fucking idiots on a 4th rate social media site ruined things for everyone.
Your argument would be better if the most powerful factions that oppose it weren’t genocidal themselves.
Whataboutism
When you think about it, this is really the fault of the Iranians for not submitting quietly to the Shah in 1979.
Everything after that was completely outside anyone’s control.
Not at all what that means but good try, you’ll be a debate bro yet.
that make non-americans like me pray for the fall of the American Empire.
I’m praying with you. But prayer will only get us so far.
Idk, that seems like a pretty shit take to me. It’s not the voting choice I made, but I can see where people are coming from. It’s not just the US selling arms to hostile occupiers, it’s running around with the Cheney’s and the general abandonment of the working and middle class.
They’re both wrong
Those NICU babies bombed by the IDF shouldn’t have joined Hamas.
Did they pay you extra for this hot take, hasbara?
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If you want something more hands on, work on local races this year. They are how we can fight back
Elections are run at the state level in the US. Even for federal offices
Many states have elections this year even despise it being an off year
There are special elections today in Virginia thay will determine who controls the state legislature. If dems remain control, they can block a lot of the Republicans governors attempts to disenfranchise
There are special elections in Minnesota on Jan 28th to determine control of one house of the state legislature
There is an election that will determine control of the Wisconsin state supreme court on April 1st. The more recent Progressive control has lead to Wisconsin getting fair maps as the gerrymandered maps were overturned. We are going to want to keep it that way and build further
There are special elections for various US house members like to replace Matt Gatez on April 1st. Should we win any suprise flips, it will be even harder for Republicans to get things through congresss with their already tight 3 seat majority
And so on
Here’s a frequently updated spreadsheet with various at home volunteering options
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jxO8g7q9VO3ZMAABcrvR7PMyX4Yl6dgIYhD3eRTKk1M/htmlview
EDIT: also on another note, consider running for election yourself. There are various small local positions around you that often go uncontested. Here’s one group that helps progressives run for local office https://runforsomething.net/
Just to add onto this, don’t think that just because you live in a deep red or deep blue area, you can’t mobilize and make a serious difference. Most incumbents get by due to public indifference. Replacing members of both parties in entrenched areas with progressives is possible, but those progressives need help. Any time you can give is always appreciated!
And to add another point, people en masse are followers. They vote the way they are told. At some point, progressives got the idea that it is impolite to tell people how to vote. That means the loudest voices are the most impolite. That’s a breeding ground for fascists and charletains. Speak up, challenge stupidity and lies, and make bigots feel bad again.
When the only thing you can offer is “make it harder for Republicans” you’ve already lost.
We lost with Citizens United, but it isn’t nothing to fight to keep things from getting worse
That’s not good enough! We will never win with a platform of “keep things from getting worse”
We have to promise to make things better and then work for it and then make it happen.
If you are looking for inspiration, we @ContinueToServe@lemmy.world just finished a 1.5 hour session with lawyers from NLG, historians, and activists to help service members understand their rights and responsibilities when it comes to illegal orders potentially being issued by this administration.
We just uploaded it to youtube and its available here:
“But daddy, mommy said all you did was circle jerk with strangers online”.
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe WhY bOtHeR vOTiNg sLeEpY jOe memes!
Then I did nothing about it between presidential elections. Nothing. Did not lift a single goddamned finger. Four years later, I demand the party cater to me, Me, ME. An utterly useless deadweight. And smug about it.Well, it would be happier if at least one side catered to voters as opposed to billionaires.
That said, it’s not the fault of only Harris and her campaign, it’s the Democratic leadership from the past 20 years that allowed it to get this bad.
bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe
The Daddy Party comes home drunk from the party and beats you with his belt.
The Mommy Party cries in the corner, telling you there’s nothing she can do because you didn’t support her enough.
Then I did nothing about it between presidential elections.
People blink in and out of existence between elections. Nobody actually exists when they aren’t voting.
Nobody organized with their coworkers to form unions. Nobody carried for relatives that had lost work or gotten sick from the pandemic. Nobody provided care for young children or volunteered to help impoverished neighbors or mucked out homes after devastating hurricanes. Nobody went to school to get advanced degrees in fields necessary for building out green energy or modern transit or dense housing or criminal justice.
Nobody. Did. Anything.
Four years later, I demand the party cater to me, Me, ME.
When you think about it, denouncing genocide is an entirely selfish act.
Naw, it’s gonna be “What did you do during the genocide in Gaza?”
Hey I was more aware of it than the last three (that I know of) in my lifetime.
Bruh should I travel my gay white ass to Palestine and stand in front of a Merkava tank?
You can
- Join the BDS movement
- Donate to groups like A Jewish Voice for Peace
- Protest in your home country, if your home country is supporting Israel
- Lobby your politicians
I like how both sides are constantly complaining about the erosion of free society and democracy but both sides also support questionable legislation.
One side is demonstrably worse in literally every political action/debate. I’m no Democrat but this both sides stuff has to stop if we’re ever going to make progress.
That’s only true if you believe one side. The Democrats have also repeatedly expanded surveillance just like the Republicans. There only seem to be a handful of congress people who are are concerned with privacy.
I’m more concerned with poverty than I am with the surveillance state. It’s already here and will never be rolled back. Things could still be done to alleviate poverty like universal healthcare, ubi, etc.
“Fucking legend”
So… what’s the alternative?
Kek it is the long term solution
Getting involved in local political action? Mutual aid? Gift economy?
They are going to try to wreck everything. They will fail.
Look at Cassandra over here! /s
What do you prefer to believe?
I don’t believe in any prophecies.
Prudent. But remember the holes in the ceiling are there to let the light in.
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Storming buildings isn’t wrong to do I hear. Just saying…
Funny, but SO many of those fuckers are either in prison or are facing federal charges still. Like, more than 1200 of them. And that number will only increase.
And Trump is president of the United States of America.
The 2 tiered justice system proven to have no clothes, over and over. Streamed in real time and in high definition. Not that there ever was a time it was otherwise.
Its just that no one even bothers with the illusion anymore. Why would they? What are you going to do about it… vote republican?
Even those sleeping the “American Dream” feel these slaps to the face.
The revolution will not be hosted on the fediverse.
You seriously think it’s on reddit or Twitter???
Just kidding, join your local protest and mutual aid group! See you on the street!
Nostr obviously
If you really want to help make things better: don’t focus on elections (that includes more local ones).
Real political power doesn’t come from the ballot box, but from political organizing.
What’s the point of political organizing if the goal isn’t to get your people into elected positions?
The pointeis actual political power for the people.
I agree, but political power to what end? People usually use political power to get people elected. What’s the alternate use for political power? Lobbying is just buying off already elected people, and even a violent coup is using political power to install a different political system, so what’s the point of political power if you don’t use it for politics?
But different politics and a different political system doesn’t mean that in the end there’s still gonna be some representative in some parliament or mayor’s office. Popular movements can shape the political landscape without ever relying on getting "the right people"into elected positions.
We’re friends :’-)
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Fighting the good fight 🫡
The kids of parents who actually tried to fight to give them a decent future and world to live in:
“My parents died in prison. They committed suicide in their cells by shooting themselves in the back of their heads somehow.”
They should’ve just memed like the rest of us.
