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Good. Fuck rich people.
Diamonds are worthless outside of industrial uses.
I disagree. They ARE pretty. Just not as pretty as a rose or a sunset and yeah best used as industrial tooling.
I would rate them above roses personally. Below a good sunset though; nearly nothing manmade beats those
Good sunsets are frequently man-made too, the most beautiful red glowing ones own their look to dust - air pollution.
Pedantry because funny: Diamonds and Roses aren’t man made either. On a more serious note, some things aren’t beautiful because they last but because they are fleeting.
Any rose you buy at a florist or other store is the product of centuries of selective breeding by horticulturists. So they are, in that sense, man-made. And now they’re getting into genetic modification.
In fact, if you bought someone a dozen wild roses, they might be disappointed.
Really, virtually anything plant-related you can buy in a store is a human creation at least in part. We don’t think of flowers we tend to grow and buy as domesticated, but they are.
Ain’t that the truth
Lots of diamonds are man made, and most people can’t tell them apart from natural diamonds, especially without a microscope.
True. My wife specifically requested a Moissanite. Most engagement rings are (sadly) still natural diamond.
Diamonds and Roses aren’t man made either.
Yeah, but have you seen an unprocessed diamond? They don’t look all that interesting, especially when compared with other natural crystals. It certainly isn’t what most people think of when they picture a diamond.
Yes, but you can’t take a good sunset and put it somewhere where you can look at it whenever. Pictures don’t really convey the full experience.
The same can be said for precious metals as well except precious metals can’t be manufactured. Their natural scarcity gives them some value beyond their utility.
Diamonds however are not scarce.
Thank goodness, maybe I’ll finally be able to buy a diamond pickaxe for what few emeralds I have. I’ve been having to use stone tools in this economy and I’d really like some obsidian for a nether portal.
if you want to go to hell, just wait.
I’d really like some obsidian for a nether portal.
Water and lava buckets, you peasent
They said they were using stone tools. You think they’d have spare iron lying around for a bucket?
Name checks out…
i never understood why a mined diamond has a bigger value than an artificially made one when the only difference is the suffering of the workers. ppl who like diamonds are stupid.
The suffering is the point
Yup. It someone wasn’t killed for it, it’s less valuable.
Or dismembered by militia for not working fast enough
There is this idea that seems to be really pervasive that natural is always better. And it’s not true so often. A common example I like to give is that natural almond extract contains cyanide and artificial almond extract does not. No, it isn’t enough cyanide to kill you, but I would say no cyanide is better than some cyanide.
And a lot of those “natural is always better” people would happily take fentanyl over willow bark if they were in agony.
I think a better analogy would be oxycodone or hydromorphone over opium but your point stands
Snake venom is natural 😊
Indeed. As is arsenic. You can even find it in water supplies (especially in the U.S., where there are “acceptable” levels).
Same reason diamonds are valued in the first place. Marketing campaigns tricking the gullible majority and most of the rest conforming to not stand out and cause issues for themselves.
Diamonds do make sense as gemstones because of their hardness. They’ll stay scratch free for life. But ya, the diamond industry is garbage.
Maybe, but realistically, most jewelry will have them inlaid in gold anyway, which is not hard at all. So you need to take care not to scratch it regardless of what gem is used.
Also, many other gems are harder then steel which is about the hardest thing your jewelry would come into contact with.
So I would say the benefit is minor.
They’re too common to be truly valuable, though, and that’s before factoring in that you can just make them now.
For a long time (and maybe still currently I don’t know) they weren’t able to make diamonds bigger like people want. So for a small diamond it might not make any sense, but there was a point where ones we made weren’t meeting what people wanted.
synthetic diamond sizes keep getting bigger, but it is much harder to make them I think
As of 2023 the heaviest synthetic diamond ever made weighs 30.18 ct (6.0 g); the heaviest natural diamond ever found weighs 3167 ct (633.4 g). Wikipedia
That would be 1.7 vs 181 cm3
Well, if they’re getting that big, that’s big enough for a lot of jewelry now.
Yes, I would imagine that size would be comically large for like a ring or something
The first thing DeBeers tried was “artificial diamonds have imperfections, you want a real rock that’s selected to be as perfect as possible”. Then the artificial industry made diamonds so good that you could only tell the difference from the lack of imperfections. Then DeBeers marketing changed to “it’s too perfect, you want something that has the small imperfections of a natural process”.
Fuck De Beers.
Geoffrey Farrow at Raphael, a jeweller on the other side of the street, can only just bring himself to sell lab-grown diamonds. “They are synthetic,” he said. “Lab-grown sounds exotic, but it’s created – they make it by the buckets. There’s no history to it. The price is going to go down further and further.”
I find that a very interesting perspective. I prefer the idea of something we made with human ingenuity as opposed to some thing you dug out of the dirt, probably with a shoddily-hidden special history of slavery and tears, and before that, just sitting in the ground like a bunch of other boring things. The history of a lab-grown is entirely mine and my hypothetical partner’s to create.
If I was a diamond person anyways. I’d be more worried about losing the expensive ring somehow and worrying over it, and would much rather buy the cheapest thing that can still socially function as “look, I am married, don’t hit on me!” without having to wear some ugly shirt that says that. Ideally both me and my hypothetical partner would just forgo expensive rings (and don’t get me wrong, I’m adamantly not a T-shirt and jeans person, I like to dress up, I have just never been a ring person) and spend it on something else we would both like.
For those who do not share my opinions on wedding rings, which is valid, I am also glad to hear lab-grown prices are down so people can still get that ring they love without breaking the bank and without supporting De Beers.
While violence behind diamond mines is real and should never be forgotten, don’t be obtuse. It’s not some thing you pulled from dirt.
It’s still beautiful. It’s still a gem. It’s still something that naturally formed over millions of years in the crucible of fire and pressure beneath our crust. That history is astounding and something people can marvel at.
Don’t begrudge Geoffrey Farrow his wonder at the world around him.
P.s. Fuck De Beers. Fuck the false scarcity. Fuck the slavery and violence and exploitation of nations the diamond trade relies on.
I suppose I’m probably the most anti-nature environmentalist. Protect this because we need it to live, and animals need it to live. But I really personally hate nature, it doesn’t bring me pleasure. I have been to some of the wonders of the world and was not floored, breath not taken away. “Checks out, let’s move on.” (Why’d I go to see it then? Someone else with me wanted to see it :P I’m a lot more interested in history that directly involves humans or something once living. For me, dinosaurs and artifacts of early human civilization are cool, gems are not.) I don’t marvel at it, and any reason to dismiss something made with cruelty is something I’ll eagerly jump on, even if it’s definitely not a popular perspective. To me it really is an overvalued thing you pulled out of the dirt, no matter the facts behind how it formed inside the dirt.
Disclaimer: I don’t say this to be contrarian, I am really not the type. Popular ≠ bad and I’m not some special unique snowflake, I just have some quirks where I have a different opinion, as does everyone else! I don’t like nature, others don’t like chocolate. I think most people have at least one unpopular preference/dislike, this is mine.
Bottom falls out on commodity made artifically rare through imperailism and corruption. Is this the part where I’m supposed to feel bad for De Beers?
To be fair, diamonds are indeed rare on earth. But what made diamond price come crashing is because we now managed to synthesise the diamonds. These “fake” diamonds flooded the market. This is good news so that we don’t have to rely on exploitative extraction of the mineral.
Also because newer generations just aren’t sold on diamonds being a luxury item anymore. Your average Joe just isn’t paying their rent or more on a diamond engagement/wedding ring like they used to because, well, that’s their rent payment or mortgage for something that’s gonna lose value the second they walk out of the store.
They’re not especially rare, not even gem-quality ones. For several generations, almost every married woman in a western country had a diamond on her finger of some size. They found plenty of them to serve that market. The mines created artificial scarcity by colluding together.
If lab grown had never happened, diamond mines might not have been able to serve industrial customers. Industrial customers don’t care how it looks as long as it cuts, and so lab grown has been good enough for decades. Thus, you can get a two-pack 4.5 inch diamond angle grinder wheel at Home Depot for around twenty bucks.
The free market manages to solve a problem.
I wonder how much money it’s going to cost the diamond lobby to un-solve it.
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It’s clearly beginning of an end for diamond mining.
In the land of ever increasing red line, any stagnation is bad, any drop is catastrophic.
Finally, rocks might be worth what rocks are worth.
Fucking young people and their… lack of money!
Now this is my kind of uplifting news!
You know, it must be that food and rent are a bit higher priority than the pressure stones… especially when more and more people cant afford those… food and rent i mean.
I find the thought funny … propose to your love with a hamburger instead of a ring…
A hamburger? My wife is worth a high end porterhouse for sure.
Not just murder. Mildly premium murder at the very least.
I made her pancakes :)
I’d buy more diamonds, but I spent all my money on avocado toast.
Paying overprice for a lump of carbon is insane.
Good. Hope the whole industry goes bust.
