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Guys, this comic is a jab at conservatives, and is poking fun at how they’re going to respond to getting screwed by Trump. The comic is positing that conservatives will just blame Democrats (usually their leader specifically), as they’ve done since time immemorial. These exact types of comics have been around since Reagan, they’re all the same comic. The last big one was the “thanks Obama” meme, where Obama is blamed for every stupid little thing.
This isn’t a comic about leftists blaming Biden. It’s about the bull headedness and obtuse nature of conservatives.
This comic would have been perfect if the guy’s hat just had MAGA on it, easier to get the message across
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Clearly not 100%, since somebody is explaining it
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Yeah, sorry that we exist. Kinda hard to ignore when your shit politics drag us into it.
Willing to bet it’s a registered trademark
Guys, this comic is a jab at conservatives
Centrists think that conservatives and leftists are the same people.
Biden is not responsible for what Trump is doing. He is responsible for letting it happen. He failed to fight maga during the 4 years he had all the powers to do it.
To be accurate, it is not a fault, it is a failure. His responsibility is on this failure, not n’y thing else.
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Is Biden also to blame for Trump’s first 4 years? It’s the people’s fault! It’s your damn fault too! The world is still waiting for riots and precautions of election manipulation etc. But nothing comes from you. Just peaceful protests while trump pisses in your faces.
No hut the DNC definitely is for sabotaging sanders and his supporters to ensure the neo liberal class dictatorship could continue and prevent any platform movement to the left that might vaguely resemble a new FDR presidency
Why do you keep perpetuating this lie. They did not sabotage him; he is/was unpopular. Get over it.
And you are sabotaging yourself by letting a whole different party create a set of bigger problems because you’re focused on things that don’t matter right now.
Neo liberals are sabotaging themselves and everyone else by blaming voters for not getting behind tepid astro turfed right leaning centrist corporatism.
You all need to wake up and realize our presidential elections are likely just as compromised by money as the rest of our political system. There are 14 traits of fascism and both parties blatantly exhibit 13 of those traits with fraudulent elections being the only trait they can claim the corruption of is plausible deniable. All you thinking that the ideals of democracy haven’t been corrupted to the same point everything else has because of hurrrr durrrr democracy and “murican eyedeeeuhhhlissum” are living in an idealistic delusion. The system has proven it will not be remedied through its own mechanisms and that those with power have subverted those very mechanisms to prevent any meaningful change which means the only way forward is revolution.
Neo liberal western democracy vehemently opposes economic democracy and any movement to the left. This makes it completely undemocratic and an ultimate defacto class dictatorship. But cleverly disguised pr masquerading as unbiased journalism owned by wall street military and prison industry profiteering billionaires have convinced you the house isn’t actively burning when it obviously is.
I’m not a US citizen, so no, I’m not to blame. And if you ask me I’m happy for the downfall of the USA. But I’m sad for the victims that will happen because of fascism. And I’m sad that liberals would still rather blame leftists than admit their own failures.
Then determine from another democratic country what might undergo a change. But to rejoice that states are breaking up, which automatically means agony and suffering, is inhumane to the maximum. I don’t like some countries either, but I would rather see them change through a change of government instead of them falling apart and the population suffering endlessly.
I don’t want to say that you wish people suffering… I am of course assuming that you mean the respective politics, only the population is the country and the politicians are only the representatives of the people.
Your country and its people have been inhumane for 80 years. You have no lesson to give to anyone. And you have only you to blame for your current misery.
Don’t worry, the US will share some its misery with the world in the form of global warming and wars.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that thinks this. Biden didn’t open the door for Trump, but he did stand aside. Bernie would have shredded Trump … but you know, apparently primaries are the devil.
Are police also “responsible” for “letting crime happen”? I don’t understand the reasoning here.
See how long you last as police chief if you choose to not suppress crime.
So yeah, police are explicitly responsible for minimising crime, that’s literally their job.
I admit there’s some nuance there since police aren’t expected to actually prevent all crime. In this metaphor I guess the question is whether Trump is a bog standard criminal that maybe gets around the police but is kept mostly in check, or if he’s a special level of super-criminal that police chief Biden should have his career judged against.
The thing is, the people chose to have crime. They were presented with a criminal, and chose him. And I’m not even following the metaphor anymore either; he’s literally a criminal. The police can’t fight crime if the majority of people want crime.
True, I guess we need a Batman to handle this Joker, the “police” have been overwhelmed
😄 Exactly
How would you consider a policeman watching a crime happen and do absolutely nothing about it?
Very bad, very very bad.
But I’d still hold the trial for the person who committed the crime itself before charging the police officer. But there’s also a third party here, which is the people. The people said, while the policeman was supposedly idly watching, that “yes, this criminal can [be president and] do whatever he wants”. 😐
No one is holding a trial here. The metaphor cannot be milked forever. 8t was a bad metaphor to begin with. So stop with it.
There is something there, but I don’t know about Biden being the main focus. It feels like a little mini civil war where after the US Civil War for a very brief moment we had African American politicians, leaders, businesses, and equality seemed at least possible. Then you have the KKK and white supremacy pop up and it’s all gone. We had a brief run with what felt like some equality or equitable society, and then a big white supremacist movement came up and they are moving hell and earth to drag us back to the 1770s
“n’y thing”? What the fuck?
When someone robs your house, you blame the robbers. When the police refuse to do anything about it and you get robbed again by the same person 4 years later, you blame the police.
I blame the robbers for robbing my house and the police for not doing their jobs. I don’t blame the police for robbing my house.
Yeah that’s the point
That’s not how you phrased it, though.
If that was the point, then simply adding “as well” or “too” at the end makes that clear. Without it, it frames it as if the blame is being shifted instead.
When someone robs your house, you blame the robbers. When the police refuse to do anything about it and you get robbed again by the same person 4 years later, you blame the police, too.
I think most people reading it understood that was their point though.
Maybe. Maybe not. Because it’s not explicit, then you’re expecting people to fill in the blank. I’d say there’s more of an argument that most people did not make that assumption.
Nice, but the orange asshole is not fat enough.
Now we need a version with the guy wearing a “don’t vote” cap and blaming Dems.
The Democrats not once but twice lost to him. Who do you suggest we blame if not the candidates that lost?
The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant. It wasn’t about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*. Note that this is not limited to non-voters, but includes every american.
*: This is not what a vote for the president is meant to be about. But hey, desperate times, desperate measures, that kinda stuff.
The voters, genuinely. Because they misunderstood what the vote meant.
If the dems required we all support a literal far right fascist genocide, or else let trump take office, then the dems are fascists. The fascist dems can go fuck themselves right along with the fascist republicans. I dont vote in support of genocide of innocents, and neither should any of you. regardless of the cost..
Hope you liked having a country and a future in it as much as I did. Be a pity if you didn’t care about what you lost us with your “protest vote.”
So it’s cool to support fascism just as long as you’re in the in-group at the time? There was zero need for Dems to support fascism but apparently Biden and Harris thought it was more important to protect it than defeat Donald Trump.
I mean, good attempt, but failed. I don’t support fascism which is why I didn’t vote for a fascist. I don’t support genocide which is why I didn’t vote for the person that would fully embrace it in two countries. You can get off my junk now, thanks.
And yet now you got a fascist himself who also actively supports fascism and actively supports and accelerates Genocide in two countries, including wanting to entirely depopulate one.
BOY THAT NOT SUPPORTING FASCISM WORKED OUT WELL FOR YOU!!
It was fascism either way, so you should be happy since you got what you were (and still are) asking for. You seem to be under the impression that the DNC had to support fascism when that isn’t the case and we can all confirm that it wasn’t the case now that they’ve lost yet another election with the exact same garbage strategy.
That’s the difference between the commenter above you and you. You’re happy to live in a country where your living conditions and your future are assured, even if it genocides people elsewhere. I’d say what I think about your stance if it didn’t violate the civility rules.
Lol goodbye Palestine any fucking way, friend. Those of us with a functioning brain knew that was obvious with Trump. Oh, but now they’ll get ethnically cleansed for a golf course co-owned by Trump and Israel! Hope your sanctimony warms the empty space in your head.
That’s a lot of words for saying you don’t care about the deaths of Arabs as long as you reap the benefits in the imperial core.
And yet people voted a fascist into office who is now actively acclerating genocide including wanting a country fully depopulated.
And yet the democrat administration couldn’t possibly run a campaign with more likeable policy and candidates than Trump, which is quite possibly the worst US president.
Sometimes I think Democrat establishment bootlickers actually wanted to lose just so they could write comments like this.
Are you gonna be like the lady that called ICE on her neighbor because the son voted for Trump to get his parents deported? Like, you have no actual moral compass. You just want your team to win and will attack anyone that might hurt your team. You’re attacking people that are against genocide for not voting for a candidate that supports genocide.
… Huh? I think I’ve just met the most insane person on this site. How ya doing?
And so you voted by splitting your vote based on your local outcome. Which still, factually makes you have voted for either of the two.
One of which also wants your cost of living to go up (and is doing that now), social security to go down (and is doing that right now), reduce oversight of large corporations, massively expand corruption and corporate control of the government, reduce public safety and limit personal liberties.
If you got a choice between +9-1 and -11 (bonus for the Reps accelerating the genocide instead of abiding it) , and that’s your two options, you don’t pick the latter. And not voting is the same as voting for the local majority, so it matters fuck all what your intent was.
You, also, misunderstood what the vote was about, quite clearly.
Frame it how you’d like, and I’ll frame it how I like. And I’ll happily vote similarly in 2026 and 2028 too. Until the dems get more scared of losing elections from a lack of progressive support than they are scared of losing far right AIPAC donations, they get zero support from me and the progressives I know, and they cant win an election without us unless they find a whole lot of republican votes-- which they have zero chance of getting.
Let us know how that turns out. Until then, get used to AIPAC buying you like a cheap mercenary to support ever greater war crimes. Even after they kill everyone in Gaza and the west bank, they wont stop there. Its on to Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, then Egypt. Someone needs man/woman-up and tell them no.
People like you silencing dissent is precisely how the DNC deluded themselves into believing they could win while running to the right.
The only time we see the democrats accede to popular opinion and do the things they need to get elected is when is so exceedingly obvious that there is no other path that they can’t pretend otherwise, and the moment that pressure lets up, they will stop. They only told Biden to drop out when he had no path to victory, and the moment Kamala looked like she’d win, the dems embraced every policy that had killed the Biden campaign.
They had polling data, they knew that banning tiktok wouldn’t increase their chances to win, but they did it anyway. They knew that sending cops to kick the shit out of politically active college students wouldn’t help them win, but they did it anyway, because they thought they could do that and still win.
Oh I think you misunderstand me.
I’m not criticising who disagree with both parties, just those that did not vote and now want to pretend that didn’t have an effect largely the same as a vote. Most voting systems cannot model non-voting, and hence it ends up being a vote in effect, and for whom is something you let somebody else decide then. It’s silly to pretend otherwise. Abstaining means giving a vote to someone who you know won’t win, that’s the only way sadly.
To make abstaining visible you’d have to say, directly assign seats if the house to parties including that the percentage of non-voters forces seats to be left vacant or such. But I’m not sure anybody uses something like that, don’t think so.
Because they misunderstood what the vote meant.
Whose job is it to inform voters if not the candidates themselves?
It wasn’t about electing a democrating candidate, it was about keeping Trump out of office*.
This mentality is exactly what allowed Democrats to move so far to the right and lose their base. This time around the Democratic candidates were literally engaging in genocide, attacking immigrants, and attacking the working class while trying to claim that they were the “good guys.” You can only do that when your sole appeal is “well at least we’re not Republicans” rather than having anything meaningful to point to to actually demonstrate that you deserve to win. Diet Republicanism isn’t appealing to anyone and these candidates completely and voluntarily chose to run on that platform even going as far as wasting weeks of campaigning in order to court Dick Cheney’s approval. It was another colossal fuck up by the DNC that once again lead to Donald Trump winning the presidency.
Whose job is it to inform voters if not the candidates themselves?
They did so, up and down. People just refused to listen, and rather listened to the republican stuff making them zero in on 2-3 issues out of thousands to make them not vote in the first place.
This time around the Democratic candidates were literally engaging in genocide, attacking immigrants, and attacking the working class while trying to claim that they were the “good guys.”
They were “engaging in genocide”? Oh that is is interesting.
Attacking immigrants? You mean the very party that the republicans were crying was daily bussing millions of illegal immigrants to american small towns was now attacking them instead? That’s odd, that doesn’t track with what the reps said!
And they’re attacking the working class? You mean the administration that, as per the available statistics, managed to undo the damage trump’s previous administration caused in regards to wage shift and even push for a (albeit small) improvement then went and physically assaulted those very workers on the streets? That’s interesting, I did not know that!Don’t fall prey to the very mentality the Reps tried to mass-media-drill into the voter base to make them abstain or even vote for the Reps on, despite being strictly worse on those very issues they attacked the Dems over.
And yes, it’s not ideal that the US has a two-party system. It’s not ideal that the US has an electoral college. But you can’t improve that by, well, giving up and just making it worse. If faced with two bad options, and you had previously picked the less bad one, then you don’t pick the worse one just because you want some changes. You know it’s getting worse, that’s a change, but not one you ought to desire.
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So a mass of Americans misunderstood something about politics and that’s the voters fault. Ok. Sure. Ill give you that. But if only there was a major political party we could use to communicate with a mass of these Americans and correct the record.
Oh, wait, that’s literally the job the Democratic party. You can come up with any excuse; voters, Republicans, misinformation, media, etc. But at the end of the day the party that is actually responsible for combatting those things failed. They failed to communicate with the American people. They are run by a bunch of rich old boomers with zero connection or understanding to the workers of America.
If you don’t criticize the party and instead let them get away with “blaming voters” then they will never actually change their policies and messaging that has failed them over and over again.
Seriously, if the problems is actually voters then isn’t the solution in changing the actual platform we use to communicate with voters? Because if that platform isn’t working then we should blame that platform as well. Actually, we should focus on the problems with that platform BECAUSE that is what is used to change voters minds.
As someone from a place with compulsory voting and would vote regardless. You, I would vote any prick that stayed home and didn’t vote. Especially when rates are less than half the voting population.
So I’d say that’s heavily weighted to a large portion of the population that just has zero say (statically) over the election. The electoral college makes our elections statistically pointless for 43/50 states. So any “stay as home” people or “blue states shifting red” are just a reflection of how little people have faith in the democratic party. But not actually a reflection of what lost the election.
For example, I live in Washington, there is just no statistical way my state goes for Trump. So I voted for the PSL candidate for president and went Democrat down the ballot the rest of the way.
As far as the presidential vote goes I am essentially the same as a non voter. But that did NOT matter at all. My state went blue. And my PSL vote was influenced by that. If I was in Georgia (my previous home state) I’d have voted for Harris.
I feel like the focus on the “protest vote” is trivial. The states that mattered lost the non political person to the couch because the Democrats couldn’t message to them enough to get them to care to drive to the polls.
At the end of the day. The Dems lost because they didn’t give any progressive minded people a reason to get off the couch on election day. They instead spent their whole campaign trying to “turn” voters they could never win on issues like “tough on immigrant” policies.
I blame Republican voter suppression and supporting a candidate that tried and failed at insurrection.
The protest non-voters voted for Trump.
Can you name one thing you think the Democrats did wrong? I mean people have the right to vote or not vote for whoever they want. That’s kind of the point of a democracy. Isn’t it a failure of the party and/or candidate if they didn’t convince people to vote for them? You can point all day to voters but at the end of the day the party knew all this stuff and still didn’t change their messaging to attract turnout.
Its easier for them to blame voters than accept the reality that the whole system is corrupted by money and neo liberal western democracy is broken as is and without economic democracy (which is what democrats spent their efforts thwarting the last 3 election cycles) what it actually is, is a class dictatorship. Democrats sabotaged sanders not once hut twice because they had nothing to lose shooting themselves in the foot and betraying the working class, they preferred a far right fascist since fascism does not threaten capital. So they did whatever possible to prevent an administration thet wojld resemble FDR in any way and give their billionaire donors the win they paid for.
Now neo liberal right leaning centrists cosplaying as leftists just sit there and toe the party line by blaming people who will not support defense contractor astro turfed corrections industry corporatists of wall street due to blatant ideological failures and contradictions. Voting for a party to ensure that 10% fewer Palestinians will die by American bombs while we ignore the wage stagnation to the point of wage slavery and unaffordable housing crisis but considernit a win because we vote for meaningless virtue signaling sell outs is oure delusion.
Blaming voters instead of those in power for the systems failures is the same logic of those who blame any Palestinian organization instead of the fascist regime armed to the teeth with billions of dollars in high tech ordinance and surveillance equipment who have been allowed to ignore international law and have a secret illegal nuclear program since the 1970’s. Its dellusional. We have a gross failure of policy and ideology in the democratic party and yall need to wake the fuck up and realize this instead of allowing your comfortable complacency to further empower the leaches controling things behind the scenes and falling victim to their clever PR manipulations.
Last November, it wasn’t voting for status quo on either party, it was status quo vs fascism.
It was known that it was fascism vs status quo and there is no amount of justification that will make it any different.
People that protest voted or stayed at home directly helped fascism take power.
If you think that milquetoast status quo with Dems was bad, you’ll shit on the floor the next few years as your country accelerates into fascism. Trump hasn’t even been in power for 6 months and look at all the damage done.
We can blame both voters and the system, but in the face of fascism, it wasn’t time to make a statement.
I hope that the world rearrange itself and leave the US to rot because what is happening right now is fucked up and no amount of mental gymnastics and justifications will make a difference.
The American people chose fascism, plain and simple.
You’re incredibly naive if you think fascism just took hold in 2024 and not decades ago. The status quo was fascism too.
Neo liberals have their head so far up their ass they don’t understand that a party that pretends to be the good guys while still enforcing a racially prejudiced war on drugs to bolster a militarized police state and send mostly poor brown people into modern concentration/forced slave labor camps is defacto fascist. The American democratic party in any other developed country is considered a center right party. Leftism (the true antithesis of fascism)in the usa is vehemently suppressed by the party cosplaying as leftists. When the citizens ask for fair wages fair housing fair anything resembling economic democracy they are shit on and told to go fuck themselves by both parties the dems just wave a pride flag and post #BLM while they do it because their expensive PR firm consultants tell them it looks good
I know that, otherwise we wouldn’t be here today. But at the very fucking least, Americans could have refrained from giving the full reign to a fascist party.
The voters are as much responsible as the Democrats, but for people like you, that’s fucking hard to grasp that it can be both.
Keep doing mental gymnastics so that you can sleep at night because the US, and by proxy, the rest of the world, just got a lot worst a lot faster.
It is a weird moment to take a stance against when an openly fascist candidate is the front runner for the US presidency. Riddle me this.
Non-voters and Trump voters chose to end America, end Palestine, and end Ukraine. You chose it. You can namby pamby about “the system” whatever, but take ownership of the fact that the system did you so wrong, you ended it and obliterated two others I’ll bet dollars to donuts you claimed to support in voting (or not) as you did. Take responsibility. The Democrats didn’t make you do it; you did it.
Honestly for me, I would’ve and did pick America lasting, flawed as it was, and Ukraine and Palestine having a chance. Turns out a country that’s run like a company isn’t the worst thing in the world if it isn’t run purposefully into the ground. Just own your choices and be whatever form of happy the consequences make you.
Ukraine is a western vassal state. We are fighting this war and using clever propaganda to convince Americans that democracy is at stake meanwhile we dont have democracy in the usa. We have class dictatorship. America has done the same thing to every country since the 60’s. Impose western imperialist dominance through force regardless of what the citizens of that country want, we poked the bear till the Berlin wall fell then took control of ukraine and looted it for wall street profits. Now we want to hold onto Ukraine at all costs for the sake of resource and trade route control while absorbing ukraine into NATO so we can put strateginc nuclear strike capability even closer to russia. So western aggression / posturing and foreign policy is the cause of this conflict which will become world war 3 regardless of who fired the first shot (wars today are foughy via insurgency, manipulation espionage and economic sanctions so the truth is battlefield violence was not the first shot fired in the ukraine/russia (west/east) conflict.
America has been dead long before this election. You just believe the propaganda of billionaires who are laughing behind the scenes while they manufacture your consent and rape your wallet There is no left party in the us and this is a result of that.
And the support of the Ukraine conflict and Palestinian autonomy are ideologies that are diametrically opposed. Neo liberals are on some serious copium.
Congratulations on voting for Trump! See my idea for a comic strip above.
How bad at self reflection do you have to be to see yourself cheering on Trump’s victory while thinking that you’re on the right side of anything.
Lmao at the strawman and projection.
Congratulations on what I strongly suspect is your protest non vote! This is what you voted for.
The democrats sabotaged the popular candidate not ONCE but TWICE because they were beholden to billionaires and their party leadership clearly was more supportive to the idea of a far right fascist than allowing their party to move even a millimeter to the left. You neo lib boot lickers have your heads so far up the asses of war mongering wall street billionaires you cant even see that the obviously visible puppet strings to both parties lead to the same hands. Its sad, you won’t even stop blaming voters and collaborate to do something about this mess with actual leftists ready to work for change, You are just so delusional you keep sitting there with your thumb up your ass blaming working class people for not supporting a party that has shit on working class people and refused to do anything meaningful anytime they have held power since the fucking 80’s. What a joke.
The projection is strong with this one.
The delusion is even stronger with you. Everything ive said is 100% true not my fault you’re so brainwashed you cant see the forest from the trees. Neoliberal democracy fights any type of economic democracy and is in a fact a class dictatorship as a result. Wake up
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The non-voters obviously. How is that so difficult for you to understand?
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Yes, in the sense that he should have bought a shotgun, named it “Official Acts,” and executed half the Supreme Court, most of the Republican Congress critters, and a good chunk of the Democrats.
He was never the person to realize or be capable of that though.
No primaries cause of Joe.
The primaries happened my dude. He won them
Did they? When did everyone vote for Biden? I missed it.
You are the one wearing the hat in this meme.
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Also the courts that delayed cases, or handed out zero penalties. Also the courts that forced states to keep Trump on the ballot. Also the courts that let Republican gerrymandering stay because there wasn’t enough time. Also the judges that didn’t take the violation of purging voter rolls too close to elections. Also the voters who did vote for Trump.
But let’s blame everything on one person like in the meme. Just the one person didn’t do enough, all on him. Nobody else, it is ALL Biden’s fault.
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Gonna go suck off some Republicans then? Have fun.
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What the fuck are you even talking about?
Also took incredible unpopular positions and refused to step down for a primary. Fuck Joe Biden.
Actually no, no, and also no
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It isn’t as though Trump wasn’t committing crimes between 2009 and 2017. My man straight up confessed to sexual assault on camera, ffs. Nevermind the E. Jean Carroll civil case.
If you’re really a Lock Him Up democrat, you could easily argue Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch both dropped the ball.
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Battered spouses rarely leave their spouse.
I mean, over half a century of neolibs gutting the small semblance of social democracy we had did this. And Biden was certainly one of those people. It’d just be more accurate to say Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush again, Regan…
Now did you mean for all those words to come out of your mouth in that order, or are you just as surprised and confused as the rest of us?
Oh I must have been confused. I forgot that history doesn’t exist. Everything started with whatever was last on TV. Donald Trump is just randomly the president for no reason. There must not be any reason he has the power to do the things he’s doing. Nope. It’s a mystery. Carry on.
Oh I must have been confused.
It shows.
I forgot that history doesn’t exist.
It’s apparent.
Donald Trump is just randomly the president for no reason.
Being a Russian asset (sock puppet or fanboy… you can pick) … helps considerably.
There must not be any reason he has the power to do the things he’s doing. Nope. It’s a mystery. Carry on.
Legally speaking he doesn’t have the power to do a great deal of what he and his fascist
buyersfriends are doing.Legally the president doesn’t have the power to unilaterally go to war, but that hasn’t stopped them from doing it for the last 70+ years.
Basically ever modern president has grabbed more power for the executive branch without being properly checked by congress or the courts. Combine that with an ever expanding military and surveillance apparatus and it turns out you can do some pretty bad stuff, regardless of the legality.
As for the rest of it, idk man. Clearly you have your rosy view of history where the US was a super great place before the scary Russians came in to corrupt democracy. All I can say is you have more reading to do.
Let’s not mince words here and throw about whataboutisms. We can deal with your hand waving in a second:
Clearly you have your rosy view of history…
I know my history and have no illusions of what this country has done in the past- eugenics, experimentation on its own citizens, interfering with other countries… it’s a list. Surely. But because I know my history I can safely say that it is unprecedented what is being done today.
Only either the truly ignorant or malicious could look at what is occurring and attribute it to standard politics. Let’s be real: we’ve been observing the systematic isolation of the United States from its allies, the undermining of its protections, and attempts to dismantle or weaken it’s defenses… And that’s before we start to look at some of the other heinous shit that is going on.
The scary russians
Let’s not pretend like Russia hasn’t time and again been the aggressor and frequently is willing to cross lines (and borders) to enact it’s will. You might argue the US has some similarities in that… and you’d be right- however; it is a feature of our system that has allowed us to retain some semblance of humanity and good will - despite the rot. I think I speak for most Americans when I say we’d rather not tread further into the realm of dictators and fascists.
Your rhetoric is in line with what is frequently parroted by the willfully ignorant in echo chambers… So which is it: are you seeding the disinformation or a product of it?
It’s not about this being the same. It’s about what has contributed to allow this moment. Regular failures of institutions and vast wealth inequality that has been left undressed by the political system has made for a lot of angry people. Concentration of ownership in media has guided that frustration away from its true causes for the benefit of the rich and powerful. The electoral system is set up to favor conservative results and to squarely shut out left leaning candidates. The various expansions of presidential power and the tools needed to exercise that power has made it easier for someone like Trump to get away with things he theoretically shouldn’t. The courts being slowly corrupted. Etc.
What Russia is doing is besides the point. The US has plenty of it’s own oligarchs to mess with our elections already and we’re definitely messing around in other countries. If they weren’t touching anything, do you think we’d suddenly get some great elections that represent the people?
however; it is a feature of our system that has allowed us to retain some semblance of humanity and good will - despite the rot.
What is a feature of our system? You didn’t specify. As to us maintaining our humanity: We do terrible things regularly, but most people are so disconnected from those actions that they can’t really conceptualize the horror of it enough to care and do something about it. There’s always some excuse that helps them rationalize it. I don’t think most people WANT all the bad stuff. But in the absence of better education and media, it’s really easy to trick people into thinking all of this is actually good or at least not bad enough to do something about it.
… has made it easier for someone like Trump to get away with things he theoretically shouldn’t. The courts being slowly corrupted. Etc.
Trump, may I remind you, installed a number of those judges. Now the list you provided is lengthy and generally most of the talking points brought up when speaking about capitalism corrupting the system. They exist. Those things have nothing to do with the subject at hand however. Let’s keep it in between the lines.
What Russia is doing is besides the point. The US has plenty of it’s own oligarchs to mess with our elections already…
So you believe they should be allowed to install a sock puppet? I believe that was what we were talking about about, was it not?
What is a feature of our system? You didn’t specify.
Sorry I figured someone familiar with our system could interpret that as checks and balances. Something trump is currently trying to break. In what language should I provide your native translation?
Strawman. Leftists don’t claim Biden single-handedly ushered in fascism. Leftists underline how little Biden did to ensure a winning campaign, as well as how little he did to defend against Trump.
Biden enabled Trump by not stacking courts, not prosecuting trump hard enough, or choosing policy positions based on what would beat trump.
If incompetency was prosecutable, every single ranking member of Biden’s DOJ would be eligible for indictment.
From Tulsi Gabbard to Devin Nunes to Jared Kushner to Steven Miller, then number of Trump '16 era crooks who didn’t get prosecuted when Biden had the chance could fill an entire Presidential cabinet.
Biden enabled Trump by not stacking courts, not prosecuting trump hard enough, or choosing policy positions based on what would beat trump.
I’m reminded of those 2-pt font “This is what Biden has done, you stupid leftists!” infographics that included dozens of citations of investigations and probes and FBI raids and committees and executive orders and threats to indict which amounted to… nothing! Biden’s DOJ couldn’t even be bothered to pursue a full prosecution. He left that to Alvin Bragg and a New York County Court.
If Dems wanted a prosecutor who was tough on crime at the top of the ticket, maybe they should have coronated him instead of Harris.
I don’t think the victim here is a leftist. Trucker hat, rolled up sleeves; he’s a working class conservative who’s getting hammered by Trumps policies. He is still blaming Biden against all evidence.
This isn’t about leftists. The guy is dressed like a farmer, who majority voted for Trump. Trump turned around and immediately cut subsidies that small business farmers rely on, so many are now struggling. The comic is saying that they will still blame Biden despite being screwed by Trump. This could also be viewed as shorthand for any trump voter.
In reality, we’ve seen many farmers now communicate that they regret voting for trump. Alittle too little too late, it seems. They aren’t as dumb as the comic artist paints them in that sense, just unempathetic.
US politics in a nutshell: Good Cop, Bad Cop (The Simpsons).
There’s a lot of “trust the process “ going on from that side atm
well he did not prevent this from happening in a number of preventable ways.
Well, why didn’t Batman just kill the Joker? He’s had plenty of opportunities…
Batman can’t kill The Joker because, if he does, the writers can’t bring The Joker back in the next issue for Batman to defeat again.
Presumably, Biden couldn’t prosecute Trump for the same reasons. Dems ran the same Pied Piper Strategy that worked so well in 2016, secure in their ability to defeat someone as easy and vulnerable as The Donald.
Gotta give the people what they want. And what they want is another election with Donald Trump at the top of the ticket.
I agree. he gave him plenty of opportunities but IMHO what we consider justice doesn’t seem to apply to the ultra violent, rich or eccentric.
the end game successes of capitalism are not compatible with democracy.
Because he’s motherfucking fictional. Donald Trump is a real life comic book villain, and he’s also not even 1/100th as smart as the Joker.
Probably owns a portion of Arkham and gets tax payer dividends for each person he sends there.
fuckkk it just like in my comics!!!
Man, how much of a wuss would you have to be to get beat up by Donald Trump?
Not a wuss just “conservative”…
Just “conservative” enough for this…
looks like it happened
He must be a pretty big wuss.
That’s possibly the nicest thing you could call him.
I knew that Don Orange likes top.
He clearly bottoms for dictators, though
He’s at his bottomest bottom when daddy vladdy is around.
