• CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca
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    That’s fucking wild! Mexico is not South Sudan or Afghanistan, failed states ruled by warlords. It will start with “we’re only targetting cartels” and conclude with “these terrorists are purposely using hospital staff as human shields, what would you have us do?!”

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          The US could just stop sending weapons to Israel and the fighting will stop too. As for Ukraine, Zelensky has tried to make deals with Russia before and the West told him not to because they promised they’d continue backing him with more weapons that would give them the edge, which the US is obviously reneging on now (which, to be fair, is something Trump sort of said he’d do, so you could argue that’s been democratically decided).

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                They were not close to a deal. Putin’s desired endgame is “I own Ukraine”. Ukraine’s desired endgame is “Ukraine continues to exist and isn’t constantly hammered by Russian missiles and bombs”. There’s not really much room for negotiation there. Moreover, Putin has negotiated in demonstrably bad faith multiple times over the course of the war (and I mean since 2014, when they used unmarked soldiers to annex parts of Ukraine and “held a referendum”). I’m not claiming Ukraine is a flawless paragon of virtue, but at the same time, there are VERY clear good guys and bad guys in the Ukrainian government war. Russia is the bad guys.

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                  I didn’t ever say the Russians were the good guys. I’m saying the West is happy to keep Ukrainians fighting and dying for geopolitical reasons. Zelensky was elected on a platform of making a deal and ending the war, and he wasn’t allowed to do that by the West.

                  Eventually there will be a peace, and even though it would be fair that Ukraine gets all its territory back, realistically that’s not going to happen (and if it did, there’s the question of what happens to all the Russian speakers in those areas). The deal he could’ve gotten right after the failed Russian invasion would’ve been better than whatever he can get now, especially with Trump now basically being in Putin’s side.

                  It’s just a case of the US continuing to push too far thinking you can just beat Russia with better technology, even though history has shown that Russian leaders are perfectly happy to just throw men into the battle until the enemy runs out of ammo.

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                  So a Ukrainian news paper isn’t good enough? I can find other sources for the same story if you like. Or you can search for stories that explore the background of Johnson’s sudden Kyiv trip yourself.

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          Correct. The US should stick to the tried and true method of supplying the weapons, teaching users how to maximize their effectiveness, and assist in the logistics of the altercations.

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              Into Russia’s business? Because assisting Ukraine is not “sticking our nose in” their business any more than the fire department is sticking their nose in your business when you call to report a fire.

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      Mexico is not South Sudan or Afghanistan, failed states ruled by warlords

      I’ll note that for the latter, it’s a failed state ruled by warlords because the US rolled in and fucked everything up.

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          Okay, and? Like them or hate them (jk you should hate them) but they had a state; it wasn’t “a failed state ruled by warlords”.

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              No it’s not? A failed state is one in which the state can’t punish a significant amount of non-state sanctioned violence, which wasn’t the case in Afghanistan.

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                I suppose if you use that definition then when America invaded it became a failed state run by warlords and now it has recovered.

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                  Yeah exactly. Now, being a non-failed state, they can start the long, gruelling process of cultural and political evolution. That’s why you’re hearing about Afghani human rights activists now but not ten years ago.

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    Drone bombing? So, like, starting a war?

    I’ll be interested to see how that pans out. Another powerful Dictator recently invaded a much smaller weaker nation, and that didn’t turn out how everyone expected, so…

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      There are over 65 MILLION hispanic people in the US, many of them have family or other connections in Mexico.

      If this clown started a war with fucking Mexico, it would end just like his “war with canada” with millions of people marching on DC and dragging his bloated, festering orange ass out of the white house with force and likely exacting their own justice out on the lawn. Americans have been wounded, but they still have limits.

      Trump (or his team) know this, that’s why they’re saying all this shit, because they KNOW it riles up people who aren’t his supporters. They are deliberately trying to stoke division so that the Trump-haters and Trump-lovers go to war with each other. That is their ideal fantasy because it would allow martial law, revocation of rights, and like, five more terms of various Trump family members sitting on the throne.

      Their trick is going to be riding the line long enough so that people tune out and stop caring about the lesser crimes he’s doing all day, every day.

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      We’re a bit busy protecting ourselves from the US.

      You Americans can fix your own damn problems.

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          Hint: Germans didn’t fix it by themselves.

          Of course, but the rest of the world didn’t take those actions until after the German military moved into several other countries. And that action was done in the defense of those other countries as much as it was to spank the Germans.

          Nobody is coming to the US to save the US from itself. Things will have to get a helluva lot worse before that happens.

          And it won’t be done to rescue the Americans, it will be intended to beat them into submission.

          Plus, the rest of the world remembers that the Americans didn’t help us in WW2 until the war finally came to their shores, after the rest of us had been fighting for 3 years.

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            Plus, the rest of the world remembers that the Americans didn’t help us in WW2 until the war finally came to their shores, after the rest of us had been fighting for 3 years.

            You might be surprised to find out some parts of Asia were fighting even earlier than that.

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        Also any army invading the USA is going to face a lot of casualties. Why would other nations volunteer to die to fix America’s decline?

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      If I’m not mistaken, the US spends more on military than the rest of NATO combined. How do you imagine a military engagement against the US would end for us?

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          It doesn’t quite feel right for other countries have to send their citizens to fight and die against a former ally just because American citizens can’t hold their government accountable.

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          That’s because Americans could not stomach killing enough innocent people to win the war like we had in previous wars. The US military could have depopulated Afghanistan if the citizens of the US would have permitted it.

          If an invading army is attacking America there’s little reason to believe the citizens wouldn’t be ok with killing every invader.

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      Sorry mate, that’s on you. Your founding padres even told you that unless you water your tree of liberty you might not keep your republic (paraphrasing Jefferson and Franklin here).

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        These fuckers were supposedly accepting gunning down children every once in awhile because “guns are needed to resista tiranny”. Lmao.

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    If you want to know how it came to be that Palestinians elected and supported Hamas, just watch in real time as Mexican cartels step up to help Mexico resist American imperialism. I guarantee it will play out in an eerily familiar way if Trump keeps playing these games.

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    Trump thinks literally everyone is supposed to be subordinate to the U.S. because 'murica.

    I say Mexico drone strikes the source of it’s gang’s weapons supply; namely the gun manufacturers in the United States.

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      subordinate to the U.S. because 'murica.

      Not quite - he wants them to be subordinate to him.

      In olden days, Kings would force fealty by forcing others to “kiss the ring”. That’s exactly what he tries to do - and what was behind the ridiculous display with his guest, President Zelensky.

      We’ve seen him hide behind his title again and again when people challenge him “You don’t speak to the president like that!” Yet any small successes are entirely his doing. Shameful, if the man had any shame whatsoever.

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    I mean… I’m sorry to say, but they are. Not what I want but how it is. The US has controlled and bullied its neighbors and South America for a while now.

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      I think you might be misinterpreting her words as descriptive rather than prescriptive. Mexico do declare they ain’t subordinate