If Harris was a leader she would be out there touring like AOC. Shes not a leader. She had her shot to prove otherwise and didn’t.
I mean, if I were her I’d feel drained and devastated. Everything that happened during the election and people still picked Trump over her…
I have a hard time feeling sorry for her after leaving the left hanging and going after conservative votes. She made an incredibly poor strategic choice and it cost all of us.
Obviously she’s not the only one to blame here, conservatives deserving the majority of blame followed by people that stayed home, but she doesn’t deserve pity.
… not to mention she didn’t ask for a recount. That one was a red flag for me.
Yeah. I have a lot of problems with Kamala The Cop. But she lost what might be the final election in American History. That takes a lot out of you
Not as much as it’s taking out of the rest of us, not even close.
If I were her, I would have had a plan B knowing what the right wingers were up to, and it should have looked a lot like what Bernie and AOC are doing. Instead she showed up then fucked off to somewhere else after hanging out with Dick Cheney for a few months.
You feel sorry for that god awful campaign?
Exactly why she’s not a leader. A leader understand that you don’t have time to lick you wounds when the enemy is at your door. She should be fighting harder now, not sulking.
They cheated, and we ALL know it. If she’s upset about anything, it’s that she was cheated out of her historic legacy, and the spineless Democratic party backed HitlerPig over her.
So she should be all recovered by '28 then? /s
Is she even considering running at all?
Usual: If you voted 3rd party or didn’t vote, you signed off on our current reality.
But you’re not wrong, and I have plenty to disagree with AOC about, but they’re all conversations for a better time; done and done.
Nah, 3rd party voters at least voted. This solely lies on the folks who didn’t vote.
No.
Nope. I voted 3rd party because I didn’t want Trump, and I also didn’t want Harris. Maybe if Harris had tried campaining on what Americans wanted, rather than trying to win over people who were obviously not going to vote for her, we wouldn’t be here.
But she chose genocide, money, and the Cheneys over winning an election against one of the least popular presidents we’ve ever had.
the fact you people are still demanding she dance for you after vehemently screaming she’s worse than the current state of affairs is wild.
your purity tests are trash.
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You’re talking to someone who was vehemently campaigning for her during the general. She didn’t fail any purity test. She failed at having a good strategy, and it was pretty obvious at the time she was making a big gamble. And I articulated this during the election, while telling all the 3rd party voters on lemmy that they were fucking morons.
Don’t waste your time on a troll.
look at my comment history you fucking idiot. troll? christ, you’re a fucking idiot.
Nice b8 m8
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imagine being so dumb to think it’s bait.
Keep on trollin that b8
Kamala is trash, simple as. She failed horrendously.
Completely agree. It would have demonstrated that she would have been a good president and it would have sealed the deal for her (if there are legit elections). She didn’t step up. AOC did. Says a lot about each of them.
I can’t imagine thinking about “serving people” when majority of them turned out to be hateful idiots that frankly deserve getting their faces eaten by a leopard. Let her catch a break maybe?
The Dipshit didn’t even get the majority of people who did vote, let alone the country as a whole
Nah, I’m not giving her a break. She handed the elction to Trump on a silver platter. It should have been a slam dunk election, but she chose genocide, money, and the Cheney’s over winning.
Ah the good ol american responsibility deflection strategy
How is accurately describing what happened “deflection”?
a bad carpenter blames their tools.
If she were out there touring people would tell her to shut up and sit down. She had her shot, twice, nobody wants what she’s selling.
Only a shock to folks who still think Democrat centerists are what’s gonna win the votes
“We want to maintain the status quo that led to the election of Trump twice!”
Exactly! It’s just… why?
Because no matter who is in office they’re still part of the enrichment scheme that is our government. They don’t really care who wins or loses because it doesn’t really affect them.
That’s why it’s important to be represented by the marginalized so that the decisions actually matter to the people making them.
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now. Neither Hillary nor Kamala could win against Trump.
That said, I can’t think of anyone I’d be happier to vote for. I dream of her being President. I don’t know if swing states will have it, but I would fight to make it so.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote. There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
Also, lots of open racists voted for Obama. If you look at the polling and the interviews, it was much more about running conservative Democrats trying to get the votes of people who wanted to shake things up. That’s what Obama promised, that’s why Sanders would’ve won, by some measures, and it seems AOC is out there generating the same buzz.
There’s no statistical difference in the chances of victory between men and women when running for political office. Lots of Republican politicians are women. I don’t see it as a big deal.
It’s only a deal because the democratic party is willing to hold back all women just to prevent the success of one progressive woman.
Hillary and Kamala were awful candidates - they wouldn’t have won if they were men or if it were the first coming of Christ. (I’m skeptical he ever arrived at all). The DNC is the blame for their failure. Hillary was out of touch. Kamala had too many issues to list.
All that aside, they would have presidented circles around Trump.
Maybe because Hillary and Kamala were terrible candidates? Are you kidding me?
I will vote for AOC with pride. But I’m leery about running another woman right now.
…that we’re talking about a progressive woman.
I’m a huge AOC supporter, but she should wait a 2 or 3 cycles (if there are any cycles anymore). I’d rather see her take Schumer’s senate seat, and serve there for a term or two first, and succeed Bernie as the Senate’s progressive leader.
AOC is a progressive. Harris was too, prior to her role as VP.
She ran with Progressive planks, but she was a DA. She’s a cop. Cops aren’t progressive.
Yea harris is far from a progressive. She kept people in jail for bullshit marijuana charges.
And as we all know…
Repeat after me kids
All Cops Are Bastards
Attorneys aren’t cops. Can we stop with the right wing smear campaign?
District Attorneys work for cops and for the interest of the government. They’re worse than cops… They empower, protect, and exonerate cops.
This isn’t a right wing smear, it’s a reality check for libs still clutching their pearls over their shitty candidate.
And yet, the cops hated her…
Cops are not progressive, they protect the interests of the state, not it’s people
She ran on exactly the same thing as Biden and backtracked on everything progressive she said in previous campaigns.
I read it as “it’s a shock that she came in second” lol
I’m shocked that Harris is in first place…
I used to be shocked Biden was #1 in 2019. Turns out, name recognition matters more than anything else, and Harris had a historic campaign budget. (Not that it was used well, but AOC has never had that level of PR)
Not so sure about that, I knew who Cortez was years before I recognized Harris and I’m not in either of their districts.
But you are commenting on Lemmy, which i’d argue makes you atypical and your media/news consumption probably looks very different to that of the average American.
Technically I’m on Mbin, but I get your point.
That said, I was hearing her name in broadcast and print news reports way before Harris and I visit a wide variety of websites.
I only knew about Cortez because my MAGA cousins would rant about her and the Green New Deal and I decided to look her up.
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I’m not,
I’m genuinely skeptical that most polls are an accurate sampling of the population. Most people I know would never sit through a phone poll. Most polls reek of phishing. One of the very first phone polls said that Dewy would beat Truman in a landslide. It was completely wrong because it was predominantly rich people who had the phones to even answer the polls.
Who has the time for polls? Who drops by the candidate booths at the state fair? It’s a type for sure.
The only poll I have been a part of all last year was a phone poll entirely about optometrists and eye appointments and how they should be handled in the healthcare system. I couldn’t even finish it because the entire things was just… painful to go through.
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I’m not. Most people are very passive politically and only know what the evening nees mentions. Most of them probably don’t know who AOC is (or perhaps only knows her by ‘AOC’ and the forms used her full name).
Harris is their default poll vote because they recognise her name
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The fact that Kamala is even going to try to run again shows how fucked that party is.
The fact that’s she’s leading in the polls is fucking crazy
The worse the republicans screw up, the more the Democrats are convinced they don’t need to change. I don’t think Kamala is going to end up on the ticket. I think the democratic establishment is going to push Gavin Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or something dumb like that.
As a Californian, please don’t vote for Newsom. He has done an about face and is courting Charlie Kirk
The entire Democratic party consists of people like that.
Newsom is pretty much the only person under the Dem banner I wouldn’t vote for in 2028. I would enen vote for Pelosi but not fucking Newsom.
Bruh, it’s a meaningless poll. There’s no election coming up. Hoping and pretending isn’t going to change anything. Forget any pretense of another election.
There’s no election coming up.
The spectacle of election is never going away. We literally just had two house special elections at the start of the month.
We’ve got some pivotal gubernatorial races in November. I’m sure we’ll have more special elections as our existing crop of geriatric politicians die out. Then a bunch of legislative races in '26, etc.
The spectacle won’t end. We’re going to keep doing the ritual for a long while.
Yes, mostly meaningless elections. I wouldn’t even expect midterms, let alone the national.
I know it’s fucking ridiculous. She didn’t get people to the polls last time against Trump… if she can’t get people to vote against him she can’t get people to vote at all.
Says everything.
A PROSECUTOR IS OUR LIBERAL SAVIOR?!?!?!?!
Guys - go and advocate AOC on other platforms.
Including GOP ones like wsj comments, rumble and othersI’d rather Whitmer over AOC or Harris
Neat! But your words don’t mean anything because unless we fight, no election matters. So many Americans are under the impression that we can vote our way out of this. I’m sorry, sometimes a country is in turmoil and your only choices are fight or die. Nobody chooses this, but if you choose to avoid it, you’re only hurting yourself and kids. Sometimes you don’t have a choice but to fight.
This summarizes current America very well: I say I prefer a different candidate and you respond by telling me I’m wrong for that.
No, I’m saying we all prefer someone different, but sometimes we don’t have a choice.
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Don’t worry about that and just know that I’m an ally.
I note you don’t say who’s ally you are.
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You can freely give up opsec, but I won’t. Not right now.
Is she even doing anything? Whitmer?
Yes. She’s been helping expand health coverage for more Michiganders, protecting all Michiganders from discrimation for housing and job employment, protected and enabled those seeking abortions, helped get major funding for horrendous roads, and always seems to be one of the first governors to protect their people when the GOP on a federal level passes anything that weakens us.
I read the headline and couldn’t believe it
To be fair to Kamala, she hasn’t announced that she’s running in 2028. Neither has AOC for that matter. This is just some pollster polling against some names that people might have heard of.
Why is Harris even mentioned? She should disappear like Hillary.
Nobody wants this person to run again.
Anyone doing a poll would be negligent not to include the previous nominee and former vice president. That’s not to imply she’s a good choice, only that she’s an obvious choice.
Good point 👍
Anecdotally, my sister does. I was baffled when she said it and had to try my best to respond politely, because she’s the only other person in my family who isn’t a Republican.
From my perspective, she bombed out of 2020 despite being a media darling cast as the frontrunner, and then was just handed the nomination in 2024 without a real primary and still lost, both of which demonstrate she has terrible political instincts and isn’t popular enough to win. From her perspective, the fact that she dropped out in 2020 before any votes were casts means she was never given a fair chance, and the fact that she was handed the nomination meant she didn’t have enough time to make her case and the unusual circumstances are what caused her to lose, and if she just had another chance she’d nail it.
I’m pretty sure she’s an outlier though and most people are just saying Kamala because of name recognition.
I’m fine with her running in a Primary.
The democratic party is cooked if it runs Kamala again. There is no way Kamala is running this high in the polls.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC. She’s expressed ideas like getting rid of the filibuster, which would be great while “your” party is in charge, but is one of the very few checks available for a minority party to halt truly controversial legislation. The extra steps are kind of dumb, but the foundational idea that legislation should at least require a 60/40 majority most of the time enforces an idea of compromise and representation in almost every bill.
I would shudder to think what a bad president could put through if unchecked by the opposition party in an essentially 50/50 politically divided populace.
There are a lot of moderates that are hesitant about AOC
Don’t worry. They’ll sit on their asses extra hard for the next election (LOL!) and make sure that the Cthulhu/Lucifer ticket wins.
I try to keep my commentary as apolitical as possible, so what I’ll say is:
If you believe that the current ticket is the Cthulhu/Lucifer ticket, imagine what they could accomplish if every bill only required a simple majority.
Who is in the majority in this scenario?
Because, right now, I see the House/Senate in gridlock on everything except fucking over Transgender folks and Palestinians. Meanwhile, President DOGE is operating entirely unchecked while VP DHS is snatching people off the street and telling courts to pound sand.
“Oh no! An activist Congress would be worse!” seems to belie the current state of affairs.
“simple majority” is a technical term in this context, it refers to any number >50%. In the context of the Senate, that’d be a 51/49 split, or a 50/50 split broken by the VP.
There are some procedural measures that explicitly only require this simple majority to pass; most bills require a 60/40 in practice because that’s the threshold required to bypass a procedural filibuster. They at the very least require a simple majority + 0 members of a body opting to invoke filibuster.
Say what you will about the people we’ve currently elected; I just stand by it being a sound procedural practice.
The filibuster is also a tool the democratic party isn’t using. No point in keeping something that only helps one side.
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT ELECTIONS!!! ELECTIONS ARE NOT HAPPENING! GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK FUCKING SKULLS THAT VOTING WILL NOT SAVE US.
Second place to Harris??? Holy fuck we deserve our fate.
Edit: upon reading the article (I know…) AOC has the best net favorability. So a little more hopium there.
Jfc here we fuckin go again. Lemme guess DNC, this will totally be an open primary right? Anyone can win?
Fucking morons never learn.
Oh they learn, the wrong lessons.
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Wasn’t Harris their only option since Biden took so long to drop out?
She was the only one that could legally access campaign funds since there was no time for a primary.
It was either going to be him or her and both options were far from ideal.
Not quite, the DNC was still ahead. But democrats didn’t want the optics of a last-minute open primary where the candidates rip into each other trying to get the nomination on live TV. Plus Kamala herself seemed to move quickly and wanted the nomination before anyone had a chance to get a word in.
Which is a stupid argument if the presidency comes with pardon powers.
There was time for a primary, but the DNC wanted to be sure and clamp down on any possible dissent. They wanted to make it clear that they get to pick the candidates, and the voters have to deal with it.
yeah, zero interest in supporting kamala “keep arming isreal” fucking harris again.
Welcome to American politics, when the 2028 election begins in 2024 and the 2028 primary began in 2020.
I’m so tired.
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Stop with this shit. It’s 2025. This is stupid.
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Women can’t be president in America. We have a shitty culture that prevents that from happening. We keep trying, we keep failing. If you want to win, find another candidate with a dick. That’s a requirement in America. Not saying I like it. Just saying that’s reality.
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so people think that AOC or Harris is going to win in this very racist/sexist country we are in? Guess it will be Trump again.
Who the fuck is thinking about 2028?!? I’m just trying to get out of 2024 alive.
You did it! 🎉
Did we though?
Yup! We in 2025 now. Hopefully we’re still alive by 2028.
Physically. But psychically?
If you’re still in 2024 you should be a lot happier than the 2025 you. In 2024 we were saying damnit that idiot got voted in again, 2025 we are saying fuck, US democracy is being dismantled, the Republicans are all for it, and some stupid Democrats are helping, wtf!
You didn’t know that was going to happen in 2024?
With Trump it’s hard to know with certainty what will happen, between flipflops and flat-out lying. I think the speed with which the various government agencies collapsed/capitulated before Musk & DOGE, and the capitulation of universities over Palestine protests and ICE, were not things anyone could predict. One could predict the rest of the Republicans would go along with all that stuff, but surprised the Democrats are not always fully unified against.
Tbf, a lot didn’t hear about Project 2025, and I’m sure those who did… were like, “noooo! I can’t see that happening.”
But me watching this video before election, I was like “fuck! I can’t see that happening.” https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no
