Can someone explain for the non-religious folk?
Calling someone a “pastor” is a Protestant thing. You wouldn’t hear a Catholic call The Pope a pastor.
Vance, like a lot of tradcaths, is LARPing because the rituals look cool. Sorta like how Andrew Tate is a “Muslim” because he thinks it’s all about controlling women, but at the same time unabashedly drinks in public.
Like not all Catholics are obsessed with the Pope, but like I have merch of the man from my Vatican visit. I have some conservative Catholic family critical of the Pope’s more progressive views, but they would never talk like this.
Thanks!
Thanks for nothing. There are endless catholic bishops using the term pastor. See my other posts.
Oh that’s funny. Thanks for the correction, then!
JFC who’s upvoting this nonsense? Are bishops catholic enough for you?
- https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/global-pastor-word-and-deed-pope-preached-mercy-outreach
- https://eu.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/2025/04/21/bishop-david-ricken-remembers-pope-francis-as-strong-pastor-leader/83195098007/
- https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-archbishop-remembers-pope-francis-as-a-great-pastor/64542751
- Etc, etc, etc
The first headline: “Global pastor: In word and deed, pope preached mercy, outreach”
Not “a pastor.” Emphasizing global.
That second article, the journalist is the one using the term “pastor.” It does not appear in quotes.
Third one is closest to your point, but again the wording is very difference from Vance.
“You know, I think for Francis, the image of the good Shepherd was very, very important … to seek out the lost sheep. So I think he’s going to be remembered as a pastor.”
It’s kinda strange how eager some of y’all are to defend Vance from the allegation of speaking in a weird and off putting way.
Edit: Let’s try phone a friend (lapsed Catholic, invited me to services a few times for the sit kneel stand routine. The open air service I attended at the Vatican itself felt more Christlike to me, tbh)
These people who have obviously never been Catholic are really down on the whole “Catholics use Father and Pastor interchangeably” thing lol. This is crazy. A Catholic wouldn’t address their priest as “Pastor” holy shit.
No, it’s almost always “Father.”
Right that’s what I’m saying, I grew up Catholic and nobody ever said “Pastor X” because that’s a protestant thing
Yeah I was agreeing and did a bad job of projecting that.
I thought I was taking crazy pills. I grew up Catholic and the sentence gave me such a weird creeped-out feeling.
This is cultural uncanny valley.
Yeah exactly. Like, I’m not Christian anymore so I’m not saying it’s bad to not to go church, but like, are all the people arguing about this Christmas Catholics or something??? I’ve never heard of a Catholic who goes to weekly mass calling their priest “Pastor” lol
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Pastor as a job title is specific to some denominations but the metaphor of a pastor tending his flock is common in all denominations. The roots of all Abrahamic faiths are the Jewish peoples who were largely herders in ancient times.
“Pastor” is the term for the person that leads a church / church congregation. The general ranking of the hierarchy is:
- Deacon (not yet a priest, are usually all volunteer, but can do some ceremonies)
- Pastor or priest (ordained, usually employed by the Church itself, they’re allowed to hold all ceremonies and conduct mass or church service)
- Bishop (management level, must be 35, must be a priest for 5 years)
- Archbishop (oversee multiple churches and run the archdiocese; there’s 196 in the US. Wyoming has a single archdiocese)
- Cardinal (upper management, only cardinals are allowed to vote on new popes)
- Lastly - Pope. The man at the top, there’s only one.
J.D. Vance is Catholic, and referred to the Pope as a ‘pastor’. This would be like somebody saying “(insert American President) was a good mayor”.
there’s only one.
unless
Yea yea there’s some schismatics out there that claim to be the “actual” pope but there hasn’t really been an anti-pope since 1449.
But there was pope emeritus
“Pastor” is a Latin word that means shepherd. Francis would appreciate the title of pastor, because for his entire papacy he put the pastoral concerns of guiding the congregation before theology and nearly any other concern the church might have.
JFC… Does nobody one this site use a search engine?
- https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/global-pastor-word-and-deed-pope-preached-mercy-outreach
- https://eu.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/2025/04/21/bishop-david-ricken-remembers-pope-francis-as-strong-pastor-leader/83195098007/
- https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-archbishop-remembers-pope-francis-as-a-great-pastor/64542751
- Etc, etc, etc
I tend to place personal experience over random internet articles written by strangers. I attended catholic church weekly until 18 and went to catholic primary and secondary schools, and not once did I hear a member of the clergy referred to as ‘pastor’. Not once.
I’m not even, and never have been, Catholic. That being said, I attended the local Catholic primary and secondary (high school) schools, because my parents looked at the graduation rates of the local public schools, and the private Catholic school, and put us kids into the one with a 99% graduation rate, and a 70% university attendance rate.
I would NEVER call a priest or nun anything other than Father or Sister. Sister Mary Josephine is dead and I still fear that meter/ yard stick.
I think pastor is for the Protestants.
I’m assuming priest orr something similar. Please understand I am also non-religious. So I’m basically just guessing
Pope’s are Catholic. Christian don’t have pope.
Years and years of Christianity and Catholics hating or just tolerating each other. I know first hand. My Dad Catholic, follows the Vatican and the pope word for word… tries to at least. My Mum raised Baptist and now, I have no idea. It’s all the same to me at the end of day. My family is a rainbow of all Christian/Catholic depending on the side of family.
Catholics are Christian, but they aren’t Protestant.
Considering the thing thing that Protestants protested was catholic rule….
It would be awkward if they were.
Catholicity, namely that your church is the unbroken chain back to St Peter, is claimed by several denominations not just Roman Catholics
I said this to my Dad before and drilled me how Catholics are not Christian and my Mum will say the same.
You’re probably right, my parents are crazy in my eyes. How they got married at all is a “miracle” lol
Wonder who the guy on the Catholics’ cross is then
Probably not Republican White Jesus, which is why some would consider them not Christian.
Absolutely guessing. I’m not an American so these weirdo Republicans don’t make sense to me.
That’s a common lie Protestant pastors tell their congregations in order to create an enmity between their people and Catholics. They do it for other Christian denominations too, like Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists.
Can’t have their income source go to a competing church, now can they?
Dafuq are protestants like in the USA? Protestants in Europe are usually quite liberal and do not antagonise any other faith.
Protestants are generally militantly conservative in America. Look into Southern Baptists for an example.
Yeah - what SaintOwlPizza is saying is an extremely common belief in the American South.
A lot of Bircher types were set off by the election of JFK. There were people who were genuinely concerned he was controlled by the pope. The current iteration of the KKK is about the least anti-Catholic it has ever been, historically they were extremely vocal advocates in favor of public education and not having religion in schools solely due to the popularity of Catholic schools.
I definitely heard things very similar to what OwlPizza’s family said in Sunday school.
Your parents are incredibly incorrect on this. Maybe try google.
How I was brought up and yes I agree.
Information is wrong, I see other replies with accurate information. I can tell them, but they are stuck in their ways.
Now that there is some classic American anti-Catholic sentiment.
OP seems to not understand that the pastoral metaphor is common to all christianity because they are focused on “pastor” as a title. The job title of “pastor” is used by specific protestant denominations but the overarching metaphor of the faithful being a flock of sheep that God/Jesus/the faith tends to is common.
No - it’s more that this isn’t the way that Catholics talk, because Vance doesn’t give a shit about Catholicism and is only one because he thinks it gives him street cred.
Compelling testimony. He’s very aligned with the intellectualism of his patron Saint.
I totally believe he had an angry atheist Richard Dawkins phase.
I totally believe he had an angry atheist Richard Dawkins phase.
I feel that. I think it was a phase I needed, but man was some of it cringe. Chill, relaxed, “you do you, I’ll do me,” Atheism is soooo much better.
Apatheism is where it’s at.
Eh, I’m not apatheist. I do actively believe there is no god. It’s just not a big deal to me.
I actively believe there are no gods either. I don’t see how, if the existence of one could be proved, it would make any difference in my day-to-day life. So I don’t care to talk about the existence of said gods. That’s core apatheism.
Are you joking or have you literally never stepped foot in any Roman Catholic space? The pastoral metaphor is common to pretty much every major branch of the faith.
Vance is attached to the “Rationalists” (note the capital “R” because it is a philosophy that isn’t rational) and absolutely was an edge lord regardless the phrase he used is entirely acceptable.
Are you joking or have you literally never stepped foot in any Roman Catholic space?
Nope, never.
Then. how have you never heard or seen this metaphor before? It’s incredibly commonplace
I have heard the metaphor. It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope. It would make sense if he was referring to his local parish’s pastor. It does not make any sense for a Catholic to describe the pope this way.
He does not talk like any Catholic I have known. I have family who are Irish Catholics who attend regularly. I have a dear friend who was really wrestling with his faith and sexuality, who chose St Francis as his patron and was a lot more eloquent than this shit. I have had discussions with actual trad caths. The person who gave me a tour of the Vatican worked for the Vatican.
The way Vance is talking is off putting and weird, and along with basically everything else about him, indicates that he doesn’t give a shit about the religion or its beliefs. He’s like a 4chan asshole who converts because they like posting Deus Vult and “Remove Kebab” memes. Aesthetic, not substance.
It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope.
lol. You should try google sometime. Pretty sure the US Conference of Catholic Bishops would disagree…
- https://www.usccb.org/news/2025/global-pastor-word-and-deed-pope-preached-mercy-outreach
- https://eu.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/local/2025/04/21/bishop-david-ricken-remembers-pope-francis-as-strong-pastor-leader/83195098007/
- https://www.wlky.com/article/louisville-archbishop-remembers-pope-francis-as-a-great-pastor/64542751
- Etc, etc, etc
He does not talk like any Catholic I have known.
Cool story.
It’s not a term someone would use to describe the pope
Yes, it is. He is the pastor to the entire Roman Catholic faith. It’s kind of awkward but not out of line like if he had called him a bishop or Imam.
I have family who are Irish Catholics who attend regularly.
OK? What does that mean? Heck are they Catholics from Ireland or American Roman Catholics whose ancestors cane from Ireland? What significance should this be assigned if none are clergy?
The use of “pastor” is totally normal and not worth noting.
The “interesting” part is how this fascist refuses to talk about how he completely opposes the politics of the former pope.
Yeah, just like using three fingers and not the thumb to indicate three is totally normal and not worth noting.
that is under JD vanced REAPED his soul.
Vance sucks but there’s nothing wrong with his comment. The metaphor of the clergy having the role of pastor to their flock is incredibly common. The ancient Jews were largely herders so this isn’t an uncommon religious metaphor.
