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- cross-posted to:
- Obviously@europe.pub
- trump_watch@lemm.ee
Who besides everyone with half a brain could have seen this coming?
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I wasn’t aware there was an argument.
In the same way a parent argues with a child over whether ice cream is healthy or not.
Really?
I mean kids know ice cream is bad for them, at some level. But arguing who pays tariffs is like arguing whether water is wet. That’s what tariffs are, by definitions. Anybody who thinks China or whoever will pay tariffs in their place doesn’t know what tariffs are.
That’s why it boggles the mind that Trump keeps - or at least kept - saying other countries would pay his tariffs and nobody ever corrected him: all it takes is opening a dictionary at TARIFF to know he’s full of shit.
Who would even downvote your comment above.
Tarrifs = Tax
The tax is paid by local importers, then passed onto the local consumers.
There never was. Just weaponized ignorance or pure lies.
It’s the same argument I have at the store when I try and make the store pay sales tax. “Well, it saaaaaid $9.99 and I only have $10.00 on me.”
Have you tried what civilized countries do? Like putting prices including all taxes on the price tags?
No, that’s crazy talk. We like to be surprised when we pay for taxes and tips.
It’s because we don’t use a VAT, so taxes are not consistent rates by item or by locality. So for small shops with irregular supply chains, you price the thing however matches your bottom line, then let the register do the work on the final price.
For large chains, it’s about consistency. The McDonals 99 cent menu might vary state by state and city by city from the $1.25 menu to still $0.99. An advert for a TV at Walmart would have to list dozens of different prices applicable across the, many within a nominal price of each other.
There’s practical reasons, and Americans seem to think a VAT is essential communism (why, I have no clue), so its not likely to change any time soon.
It’s because we don’t use a VAT, so taxes are not consistent rates by item or by locality. So for small shops with irregular supply chains, you price the thing however matches your bottom line, then let the register do the work on the final price.
So if the register knows the price, why do you leave normal people hanging? For me, that sounds highly unpractucal not to know what an item costs, or being forced to know all the local taxes and do the calculation myself.
Because the benefit is that we’ve habituated ourselves to a system where $9.99^plus tax^ is both good advertising, and it means that the vendor passes the tax on to the consumer. As if they can just their up their hands and say “Sorry man, I don’t like it either. Here’s how much you owe the government.” Gas prices all include a tax of 9/10 of 1 cent per gallon for the same reason.
It also likely stems from early on implementation where no one was sure of the vendor actually paid all those taxes after all, so it’s a bit of “added transparency” even though it’s not really.
Of course, it’s 2025, this would be an easy thing to undo, but Americans are creatures of habit as much as anyone else. Try and charge a Boomer $10 even and say tax is included, they will absolutely think you’re ripping them off.
It’s proven that disguising the tax convinces the ignorant consumer the product is cheaper than it really is. So stores don’t include taxes on the price tag, and lobbyists work hard to prevent it being legislated.
That is the only reason. It’s not transparency, this is the exact opposite.
That’s why I put it in quotes. Its sarcasm to us, but sounds legit to the ignorant consumer.
People from New Hampshire when they go anywhere else
People from anywhere else when they go to America :(
The tariff speculation has despeculated.
It is a profound example of how stupid people are that this was even a question.
Dictionaries have existed for millennia. Google is free. We have access to the full library of the collective knowledge of the human race on a magic rock in our pockets. And something this simple was a national debate.
You can lead a horse to water
But it’s only right twice a day.
Common American mistake, confusing abuse for an argument.
Wwwaaahh!
No it’s “Wwwwwaaaaaahhhhhh” try again
It was more of an educated vs uneducated discussion.
I guess some Americans learned they were lied to, but they probably won’t believe it anyways…
It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
There was never any argument, there was the indisputable fact that that’s how it is, and then there was lying Trump MAGA propaganda denying the facts.
The “argument” was that the idiots who enacted the tariffs without understanding what tariffs are were trying to push the blame anywhere else, and pretty much everyone has clocked their bullshit
Trump Tax.
spread it, use it, never stop using it.
“Whelp! Paid $30 more, damn Trump tax, right?”
What argument?
Donald Trump was wrong. Donald Trump is wrong. He does not understand tariffs or trade economies at all. He is all brazen bluster while being sneaky about other things.
THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF TARIFFS!!! JFC. The fantasy is that if we pay more for imported goods domestic goods will become more competitive. If prices don’t go up we aren’t incentivized to change our buying habits. Is this not fucking obvious?
The argument is over
What argument?
like in nov-dec when the talks of tariffs were starting after he won, and conservatives said its no big deals.
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