Yeah… it’s the …supplements causing my liver disease. Definitely not the heavy drinking I need to cope with the last several years of absolute bullshit! Lol
Hey now… let’s be fair, it could be both.
or it could a third thing we don’t even know about yet.
Honestly, just combining alcohol with acetaminophen/paracetamol will do a number on your liver. Or just skip the alcohol. That stuff is in everything these days - no need to get crazy with “supplements.”
The federal LiverTox database is a free tool highlighting medicines and supplements linked to liver injury.
Where’s the database of supplements proven to be effective? Without that we should just stop using them, and then we don’t need to worry about their safety anymore.
Is it any good? The appearance of testimonials on the front page is a big red flag for me.
Edit: Do you have an account? I wanted to see what they had to say about the effectiveness of Oscillococcinum from Boiron. It’s a treatment, not a supplement, but it seems to be listed. That would be a litmus test for me.
It’s provided by many academic medical centers to their staff as a resource, so I think it’s broadly trusted by medical providers. Looks like it’s pretty expensive to subscribe, that’s too bad.
It gives a 5/10 for Oscillococcinum. It says there is insufficient evidence to rate its effectiveness for COVID-19, COPD, and influenza and sites several studies on each, giving a summary of their findings. Regarding safety, it says it is “possibly safe when used orally.” It’s associated with angioedema but otherwise appears to have no adverse effects.
Thanks for sharing the info. Unfortunately, in the past 10-15 years a lot of medical centers, including very prestigious ones, have incorporated CAM in an effort to appease patients.
It’s good that they’re giving it a low rating, but it should be lower. It’s goose liver diluted until nothing remains. It was originally thought to treat flu because when dissected under a microscope, there were small coccus-shaped things in goose liver thought to resemble the microorganisms associated with flu. We now know that flu is caused by a virus that is invisible to those microscopes.
These is zero plausibility that Oscillococcinum or any other truly homeopathic cure (I’m excluding low dilutions like Zicam) even could work, so any evidence supporting it will be highly suspect.
That’s interesting. To provide a bit of insight, I think it has the rating that it does because it doesn’t appear to be overtly harmful (which makes sense if it’s just diluted liver), and lower ratings are reserved for dangerous supplements or those with many adverse effects/interactions with other things
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The FDA.
That’s an incredibly long list.
Depends on your definitions of “proven” and “effective.” The actual effects of that supplement need to be evaluated, not just what that chemical normally does in the body. It needs to cite large double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trials.
By comparison, the 2017–2018 National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey showed that 58% of adults 20 and older had used a dietary supplement in the past 30 days.
“I think people assume these things are safe,” said Dr. Dina Halegoua-De Marzio, a Jefferson Health hepatologist who treated Grafton. “The No. 1 reason we see people taking these are for good health or to supplement their health, and so I don’t think that they realize that there is a real risk here.”
Nutritional supplements are where a number of products that haven’t actually met the bar to be a medicine go.
https://www.usada.org/dietary-supplements/medications-vs-supplements/
Given that they are both used for health purposes, it would be easy to assume that medications and supplements are regulated the same way and produced to the same standards, but unfortunately this is not the case. Unlike medications, supplements are regulated post-market, which means that no regulatory body evaluates the contents or safety of supplements before they are sold to consumers. Take a look below to learn more about the many differences between medications and supplements, and how those differences make supplement use risky for athletes.
MEDICATIONS
FDA Review
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) maintains a comprehensive evaluation process for medications, assessing everything including the packaging, the design of clinical trials, and the manufacturing conditions.
Reliable Ingredient Labels
Medications must list every ingredient on the Drug Facts label, and these ingredients are confirmed through quality control analysis by the FDA.
Proven Safe Before Sale
To help protect consumers, medications are subject to strict premarket regulation, which means they go through a rigorous safety and efficacy evaluation process before reaching consumers.
SUPPLEMENTS
No FDA Review
Supplements don’t undergo any evaluation process or testing by the FDA before they are made available to consumers. In fact, most supplement companies are never inspected by the FDA to ensure manufacturing best practices.
Unreliable Ingredient Labels
Manufacturers may misidentify prohibited substances on Supplement Facts labels, or they may fail to list prohibited substances altogether.
Proven Unsafe Before Sale
Because they are regulated post-market, supplements are sold to consumers until it becomes evident that they are harmful following consumer adverse event reporting. Even then, supplements with illegal or dangerous ingredients may remain on shelves for years.
It’s actually worse than you’re making it sound.
Supplements are not just less regulated than drugs, they’re less regulated than food.
And how many people are buying no-name Chinese supplement brands on Amazon, too. It blows my mind that people buy stuff they put in their body from those brands. I wonder if people just assume that they’re regulated/inspected like food or real drugs.
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people are taking mega doses of vitamin A.
