Thank you to all the admins and donators who kept lemm.ee going.
Wherever you guys migrate, please stop concentrating the userbase around lemmy.world, that’s exactly what we’re trying to avoid with Lemmy to begin with. The best thing you can do is go to https://join-lemmy.org/ and choose a server that’s not in the top 10 or so. This will also help avoid things like the admins/mods burning out
Yeah I was gonna try out piefed and mbin but if those don’t work out for me any lemmy instance suggestions? J was thinking lemmy.zip or any instance who only defederates with spam/illegal stuff
Apparently db0 and lemmy.zip are two such instances that broadly federate
Ooh good to onow
lemmy.today doesn’t block any instances. But db0 is good too, I’ve been happy with it.
I did my part. Time for my retro gaming lemmy era 😎 already bought all the stuff I need to put freehdboot on my ps2.
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There are some sites that show what instances are de-federated from that. People can use that as a guide as well, if there are instances they don’t really want feeds from due to their underlying circumstances. They should also check the admins and modlog so they don’t run into surprises later down the line.
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Oh ……oh God, why!!! Why!? It’s too soon!!! 😭😩I’ll be honest i don’t get what people differentiate so much about instances. most of the time i don’t even notice what instance people I’m talking to are from, what instance the community in browsing is from, what instance the meme I’m viewing is from… is it about the software you’re using that you’re so aware of these things?
To me, it’s mostly how an instance is ran. How it makes its decisions: defederating or not, and with whom, how they handle complaints, how they handle bans, etc. makes a difference in both the communities it hosts and its members.
There’s also the matter of user culture. Some instances, like Beehaw, Lemmygrad, and Hexbear are known for a certain user culture. Some users might steer clear away from certain instances because of that perceived user culture.
And then there’s the issue of defederation stance. It might not be readily apparent, or affect your user experience in a big way, but for some users, it’s a factor. This is also where lemm.ee made its mark. It basically used defederation as a last resort, and some users were drawn to that.
That’s why I was here. I’ve already made a few more accounts just to have backups in case this happens again, but I really really enjoyed how I could see most of the Fediverse, and could block with my own settings if I didn’t like the way another instance was ran. I will miss it. :'-]
I’m in the same boat. I do not like defederation. So where do we go? Any other instance with the same openness? I don’t know details about instances, but I know I’d like to avoid .world though.
Is blocking an instance the same as defederation? I found lemmy.today the other day and they don’t block any instances.
I think so but https://lemmy.today/instances doesn’t have any blocked instances at all, which can’t be good lol
I honestly haven’t put too much thought into it yet, but I joined sh.itjust.works and db0 because I’ve seen some of their users around and thought they were cool. :O
.ml is basically federated with everyone
Well, that is unless they are coming from .ml 😒
Rich coming from a .worder
You mean the biggest instance that is still federated with close to everyone?
There is a reason for that you know.
Yeah, because they’re the one that tries the most to be exactly like Reddit, so all the Redditors end up there.
If your display settings don’t show the full username, there’s no way to tell really. Voyager and Alexandrite show then by default. I think people just like to root for teams inherently and the interinstance drama is kind of fun. If you’re on Lemmy a lot you start to recognize people and their main instance, there really aren’t that many of us.
Different admins; some instances federate with some, some block others.
unless its coming from .ml, hexbear or lemmygrad. the comments cant get annoying.
With .ml you can sometimes still have a good discussion. Maybe because the community is so big. And not everyone who joins knows ml stands for Marxist-Leninist.
But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.
I finally blocked all of Lemmy.ml. You are correct of course, but the rare times someone says even a passable comment simply is not worth all the times I see the most bat shit insane replies, none of which I have to see ever again now.:-) I find that tradeoff worthwhile for myself at least.
Lemmy.world communities can get that way too obviously, as you say because of the size, but still… it’s different, the ratios of worthwhile to not worthwhile comments.
A couple of years ago it was not this way, but time has passed and nowadays it seems to become (every so slightly) increasingly true.
But those other 2 are chock full of extremists.
I always saw those two as something like far left indoctrination camps where people learn and practice astroturfing techniques.
Childish people love to argue about childish things.
Thank you, not just for showing respect and appreciation to the people behind Lemm.ee but because these posts are a magnet for the kind of trolls everyone should block before migrating elsewhere. 👌
Here’s an entitled ass to add to your collection lol https://sh.itjust.works/comment/19001249
They sound like they want to speak to the manager.
That’s an unfortunate situation with slrpnk.net. Not having anyone able to physically access a server for weeks was really tempting fate, though.
I really liked lemm.ee because it didn’t defederate from the radical socialist and communist spectrum of political speech.
But the other issue with a bigger instance like lemm.ee going down is that as long as communities can’t be moved (including users and content) to other instances, the lemmy project will fail. Because then only centralization in a few big instances is viable, and those big instances are going to become valuable and sold to plutocrats.
That’s a disturbingly good point.
Community migration is available on Piefed: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
To be fair, lemm.ee didn’t really act as host to any major communities to begin with. So communities aren’t really the loss here, and it could be that having at least a few big active communities on an instance is a key part of maintaining its long term viability.
Also, all the text posts and comments from lemm.ee will still remain on other instances. I’m sure the instance could also back up content, if the specific admin so desired to re-host.
Yeah the biggest communities seem to be movies and television, and my guess is that they’ll be gobbled up by lemmy.world. But every community migration like currently looses subscriber members, and split communities mean a lack of interaction. Social network require a critical mass, and also benefit from centralization. While federation works great for users there isn’t a real solution for communities yet. There is a lot of randomness involved, like who gets to be the first to make a community might be a bad mod in the long term. For example the reddit r/climate mod is a climate skeptic. Not sure if there is any better solution.
I’m just wondering how the best design for this problem would look like. Maybe the mod of a community could have some kind of key that he can transfer to another instance and automatically transfer all the user subscriptions and link the post history with them.
For me, the bigger problem with how Lemmy is federated is the way comments and posts have unique IDs for every instance. You can’t easily find a comment or post from one instance on any other instance. With users, you just have /user/username@instance, what we need is /post/###@instance or /comment/###@instance. Instead, we just have /post/### and the ### is different everywhere (I think it’s just sequential for every post/comment the instance federates).
Maybe there’s some reason they did it this way, but it feels like the better solution is to have the original host instance decide the number, then every other instance just use their number and their @instance.
Pretty sure that was on the bug list 2 years ago.
Yeah. There is a userscript called “Lemmy Universal Link Switcher” (link) that helps with that, but of course it’s just an UI fix.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
Thanks, that’s interesting. Also that a python program is less resource intensive than rust lol.
But I’ve been wondering if communities should be bound to domains at all or maybe should be more free floating or P2P. Or if communities should be owned by admins at all, or could possibly be democratically controlled.
I hope you’re not calling tankies radical socialists or communists. Because .ml et al are authoritarian instances, not lefty.
I interact regularly with “those ml” instances and don’t meet any (or not many) of people like you describe. I do believe it’s mostly rumors, propaganda, cherry picking and liberal prejudice against socialists.
Do you still know what is real? The principle behind freedom of speech is about hearing dissenting voices that might tell you a truth that the mainstream won’t.
In case you’re curious, I also believe “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” so I often support or at least not condemn countries like Russia or China or Iran in their fight against the authoritarian US Empire. I’m a realist, pacifist and materialist, we already know what the regime change sought by the US will do to the people in “shithole” countries.
I’m an an-com. It’s not rumors or propaganda, it’s seeing you in action with our own eyes. There are entire communities dedicated to calling out your redfash fuckassery on lemmy.
If you support or are silent on imperialism, you are the enemy.
But not supporting Russia is the same as not opposing US imperialism, which is the same as supporting US imperialism. Think about it lol.
And yeah, there are communities dedicated to spreading “rumors, propaganda, cherry picking” and creating prejudice. There is very little difference between the fascist lies told by MAGA and the US imperialist lies told by the MSM. You think just because Russia manipulates people, the US isn’t doing the same? Because one side is bad, the other is good? That the left is somehow immune? It’s become increasingly hard to figure out the truth of what is happening in the world, but people crave a pure certainty. That’s how the fascists won, by reshaping how the liberals perceive the world. And the neoliberals love the good vs evil narrative.
What matters is tactics and strategy. A multipolar world is better for any socialist project. Multiple independent sources of information, even if tainted, are better than a single perspective shaped by mainstream media. There are only 3 international newspapers in the world, and they’ve long been captured.
That’s why I’m specifically looking for a server that doesn’t block those pesky radicals and dissenters.
Community migration is possible on Piefed https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
lemmyee grew too fast for its own good, with the reddit purges.
Lemm.ee was my home instance. I will miss it dearly. I wasn’t as active as I probably could have been, but I’m still sad.
I’m an .ee refugee. I just hope this stuff doesn’t become the norm where instances get shut down
It was great while it lasted, and I thank those that ran it. A breath of fresh air after initially being on an instance that decided to nanny its users by defederating from instances for no good reasons.
I have a backup account on sdf.org, so I’m now using that as my main instance. Thanks to those who run it.
Yeah, SDF is a good choice (and a very interesting org in its own right)
Take lemmy.today instead!
i made an account yesterday, and imported my prferences over.
Are you saying lemmy.today is no good?
Sir, you took the words right out of my mouth when read the news
I’m sorry but the best is dbzero. Lemm.ee was a damn good instance too though
I think it adds to our mystique that not even our regulars can spell it correctly :D
I will now try to misspell it in a new way every time 🫡
The lemm.ee admin is a shit hot developer though, his instance was generally more robust than all the others, and he helped other instances when they had various problems. It’s a shame he wasn’t the lead lemmy developer, although I’m sure he doesn’t have the time for such a big undertaking.
Its where I moved to :)
Lol, no it wasn’t. It was the place where the lowest-common-denominator ended up. My experience on more niche, tailored servers has been wonderful for thoughtful discussion and avoiding useless flame wars.
Thanks for saying this. We did see some hate coming from there whereas on more dedicated servers there’s generally none of that.
Yeah, what a shame.
