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ByteOnBikes@discuss.online to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 6 months ago

Since ICE refuses to show their badge and cops refuse to verify, welcome to the future.

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Since ICE refuses to show their badge and cops refuse to verify, welcome to the future.

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ByteOnBikes@discuss.online to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 6 months ago
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    Or why average Americans don’t just do the same and go rob a bank or convenience store … just arrest people randomly, zip tie them, take all the money and leave everyone behind.

    The best part would be the local news reporting the masked robbers looked like this and ask if anyone has spotted them

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      They are

      I know of at least 2 cases

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        https://newrepublic.com/post/196360/man-impersonates-ice-agent-robs-immigrant-pennsylvania

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      No body armor

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        I noticed that too, I hope they get what’s coming to them.

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    Are the Iranian terrorist cells in the room with us right now? Why not go with the much more common example of white supremacist domestic terrorism?

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      Because media gaslighting works so well that people usually aren’t aware that they’ve been affected by counterfactual narratives before they start actively reinforcing them by repetition.

      The Google trends for this particular phrase:

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        It’s hard not to wonder if the bump back in late March or April was from the folks selling stories right now

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      Why not go with the much more common example of white supremacist

      Because that’d be preaching to the choir. Trump voters don’t care about white supremacist attacks.

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        So the solution is to reinforce their racist beliefs?

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      what part of “thought exercise” do you not understand. its an extrapolation of current events, and hypothetical scenarios. not a statement of a factual event that has happened. You cant imagine this occuring?

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        Here’s a way to improve the “thought exercise”: make it take place in reality instead he imaginary world racists live in.

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      Sources told NBC News Iran sent a communication to President Donald Trump in the days before Saturday night’s strikes on its nuclear facilities, threatening to activate sleeper-cell terror inside the United States if it were attacked.

      https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/department-of-homeland-security-terrorism-bulletin-threats-us-sleeper-cells-iran/3773879/

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        I’ll have manufacturing consent for $500, Alex.

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    So foreign terrorists could cosplay as domestic terrorists and we’d have no way of knowing which kind of terrorist they are?

    Interesting times we live in

    If they come for you, don’t worry your bags will meet you at the destination. Get on the train.

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      Well…if they’re white, domestic terrorists.

      If they’re arabic, foreign terrorists.

      It gets really fun when the blue man group join in. Then you don’t know WHATS going on!

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        First they came for the immigrants

        Then they came for the activists

        Then they came for the blue man group

        Finally America had had enough

      • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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        If they’re white, “lone wolves with mental health disorders”

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    Yes although the recent political murders shows that you can literally just dress up as a cop and drive around in a fake police car shooting people in the head. This stuff has always been possible.

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      The difference now is that refusing to show ID used to be grounds for most people to call the real police.

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        And get shot by both

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    Fuck this imperial terrorism propaganda. USA is the actual terror regime. Get a clue, libs.

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      Why would you direct this at libs when the right are the ones going batshit crazy?

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        Leftists do not like libs. Many leftists believe that liberals contribute to setting up the breeding ground that fascists rise from. Many leftists believe that liberals partake in a system that even allows for fascism to rise.

        I do not care to explain further. Research can be done, or perhaps someone else with a bit more energy than I right now can jump in :)

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        Liberals haven’t lost their minds and can be talked to obviously.

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        https://philadelphiaycl.substack.com/p/what-people-mean-when-they-say-liberalism

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        Some people want to place blame to absolve themselves of any responsibility they may have.

        “Not my circus, not my monkeys. Not my problem, just the countries.”

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      Far Right wing (Republicans) literally having full control of everything

      Blames only the libs

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        Internationally, most people mean the pro-corporate anti-regulation right when they say liberals. It’s exclusively a U.S. thing afaik to equate liberalism with anything left of center, which causes a lot of confusion.

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          That doesn’t change what I said. There’s fascism in power now in the USA, not liberals anymore. That’s why I specified far right rather than standard right.

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      the libs know about it, they helped set it up.

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      How about both

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    • Anomalocaris@lemm.ee
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      using one racist narrative to fight another.

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      You’re not wrong but the people in charge and those voting for them only seem to understand this type of rhetoric. If we don’t break their hold on power it will only get worse for Iranians (and Americans).

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    ‘This is madness! Iran could do what we do all over the world!’

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      Iran has drones, and shoots targets withoutfirst confirming if the target even is their intended target?

      I thought only the USA did that!

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        No, they don’t. They’ve been extremely reserved in target selection.

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        Please do not spread misinformation - we only make ourselves less credible when doing so.

        US and Israel do that, not Iran.

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    This is the plan

    Trump thinks that people will then demand a strongman president to protect them.

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      I don’t think Trump thinks this. I think his puppeteers think this and he is just the shameless puppet.

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    There’s no reason everyone that protests shouldn’t be dressed exactly like ice.

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      As long as they’re not wearing any badges or police insignia, this is the way.

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    Why do we have to pin a country on this action? Sure, now, it would be easy for Iran to do something. It would be just as easy for some group of people, like those who tried to kidnap Gretchen Widmar, or Vance Boelter wannabes.

    Trump, Pam Bondi, and Tom Homan have unleashed chaos. Plus SCOTUS.

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      Because a certain demographic of the US doesn’t give a shit unless something personally affects them. Homegrown terrorism doesn’t affect them because obviously they won’t be the targets. Iranian terrorism is scary to them.

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        It’s a big country, the USA. I have a hard time sometimes remembering we have 340 million human running around. It’s easy to believe things don’t affect us. But, it’s like I tell people, when one human in Indiana loses their First Amendment right, we all do. We may not immediately feel it but the precedent has been set.

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          I’m specifically talking about Republicans. You could show any amount of atrocities to them and they’ll hand wave it until it personally affects them. Head over to leapordsatemyface for some good examples of people yelling “I didn’t vote for this!” when it’s literally exactly what they voted for.

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      We keep pinning shit on other countries. My parents used to say “there are starving children in Africa” as if there weren’t any homeless children in our neighborhood.

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        True. I remember riding the bus thinking some of my friends were probably starving. 99.99% of us are closer to being starving and homeless than we are to Jeff Bezos. We don’t vote like, though.

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    Iceis

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    Pretty sure I know what the top Halloween costume will be this year!

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    Is this actually happening or is it liberal wishcasting?

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      THE TRUMP ADMIN IS ABDUCTING PEOPLE WITH FAKE POLICE. Wake up!

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        What does this have to do with “Iranian terrorist cells”?

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    I mean if an unidentified person in a mask tries to abduct me they’re getting shot in the face.

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      i expect itll actually be more like this;

      you’re walking from the car to the grocery store in the carpark

      it goes black and your arms are pinioned to your sides.

      too late to draw a gun.

    • 「黃家駒 Wong Ka Kui」 | (aka: 鳳凰院 凶真 Hououin Kyouma)@sh.itjust.works
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      Either die on the spot defending yourself or either die eherever they might take you. “never go to a second location” is the wisdom

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it’s not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they’re investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers’ names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with ‘law enforcement experience’ and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It’s called “Wandering Cops.”

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: “testilying.” Yet it’s almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don’t, they aren’t cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of “qualified immunity” renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past ‘qualified immunity’ is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That’s the solution.

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• A demonstrator’s guide to understanding riot munitions

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• Don’t talk to the police.

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• Police aren’t primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

• Police lie under oath, a lot

• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

• So you wanna be a cop?

• When the police knock on your door

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