This is the kind of content the .ml admins cultivate through their bans and censorship. They’ll frequently remove articles from credible good sources that directly go against their narratives, while allowing misinformation and conspiracy websites to include RT, Sputnik and (as shown) random substack blogs as long as they tow the narratives that align with them.
E.g. Ukraine is a Nazi regime and Russia is just “liberating” the Ukrainian people
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They’re still pushing the “Ukraine are Nazis, here’s zero proof!” narrative?
This is all just what I remember from research years ago, but at one point there was a pretty large chunk of nazis/sympathizers in azov specifically. They cracked down on extremism since then, but it’s conceivable there’s a few left.
Now using that to call every single Ukrainian servicemember and child a nazi to justify actual imperialism? Average braindead tankie take.
They cracked down on extremism since then, but it’s conceivable there’s a few left.
Also the most extreme ones are the ones that died first and after broad mobilization the relative proportion shrank naturally. That’s just maths.
And even if these two were not the case, Ukraine has a simple explanation:
When asked about one of the two Russian groups fighting on Ukraine’s side, one being extreme racists who want to make Russia smaller to get rid of regions with non-Russian ethnicities, a government official, maybe even Zelensky personally, said to the press that Ukraine does not have the luxury to pick who fights on their side when the alternative is rape and genocide.
It’s a weird kind of projection. The Russian military is full of nazis. Not that’s it’s surprising since nazis tend to gravitate towards the military. Wagner for example was founded by and full of nazis, but tankies seem to be OK with that.
Do they know how Wagner got its name?
Actually they posted this
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This is also why people think Lemmy is nothing but tankies because they’re ok with that image.
Which is why I advocate for pushing large instances, like .world, to defederate as they have for the other 2 instances in the Triad
We can’t force .ml offline and we can’t force them to install an actually unbiased and fair admin team.
But we can control our association with them, if the rest of the network defeds from them at the very least we can all say “yea they’re there, but we’ve cut ourselves off from them because they’re nuts” and I think that could go very far
i’m so glad piefed is picking up steam! once voyager support is good i’m done with lemmy and donating to piefed
I recommended to people to go to Lemmy, and then I got told “you mean the place where it is full of tankies?” Tankies give the entire community a bad name.
interestingly, a healthy portion of thethreadiverse is quite anti-tankie precisely because of these instances.
Username doesn’t check out.
Directly. Numatic clearly said donations go directly to funding .ml since it’s used for testing updates.
Oh damn, they’re not even pretending to not being a Russian mouthpiece anymore?
I don’t remember a time where they attempted to pretend. It’s just recently they started getting heavy with the site wide bans though.
Tankies have always regurgitated Putin propaganda.
Yes lol. But they used to pretend they didn’t before
I just encountered the OP of that post today, saying EU is not real. You just can’t with these people.
.ml is great if you need to borrow some crayons. But that’s pretty much all they’re good for.
i’d prefer to borrow crayons without having to dig them out of peoples noses tyvm
well just blacklist them, make it an echo chamber so it doesn’t show literally anywhere else in the fediverse
Unfortunately, the “block” isn’t really a block on Lemmy, it’s barely a mute and that goes for user and instance blocks. Because dessalines refuses to implement a proper system (unsurprisingly). It’s been 4 years since “blocks” rolled out
In any case it still allows their toxicity and misinformation to spread, trolling new users who come here unaware of the need to block and such
Really, the best answer is to call for wide defederation like the rest of the Tankie Triad is treated
I think ultimately issues like this will be why I don’t choose Lemmy when I finally get around to standing up my own threadiverse node.
PieFed! I’m more attached to Boost than the underlying server software anyways, so if it ever gets PieFed support I’ll be leaving for that
Is piefed a Lemmy alternative? There are so many new things (very cool!) out there, and Lemmy starts to lose it’s luster IMO, not very much interesting news or discussions, lots and lots of “gEnOcIdE” troll bullshit (I mean you can’t even ask questions to these people).
Yea, for the most part, but it’s still fully federated so you’ll still be part of the Threadiverse and will be able to fully see and interact with all of Lemmy’s content and users without issues
But, on PieFed, at least block means block, blocking lemmy.ml or any other instance on PieFed blocks comms and users alike and blocking an individual user on PieFed means they won’t be seeing any of your comments or posts. So none of this mute BS on Lemmy where problematic users can still brigade your content and comment “behind your back” on your posts/comments without your knowledge
Interesting! Is there a good app you’d recommend?
Unfortunately, PieFed just rolled out app API support, so there’s not that many apps yet. It’s mostly just been the web UI
But off the top of my head I believe Voyager is rolling out PieFed support, but iirc it’s still in beta
I’m leaning that direction if only because I have decade-old Python experience which I could potentially dust off and use to contribute to development if I start “dogfooding” PieFed and find things I want to fix or improve.
It gives them more strenghts. The same happened with /thedonald.
.ml was the most tolerable of the tankie triad to me for a long time, but I eventually blocked it as they got worse and worse.
It’s mostly the exact same people as the rest of the triad, they just keep their masks on a little bit better when they’re on .ml.
This is why I’ve blocked every major .ml instance that pops up on my feed.
has there been shareable rigorous proof that the units in Ukraine are not nazis? I know proving a negative (ie: none are) is impossible but there must be proof debunking stuff like “this patch is a nazi patch”?
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and before others ramp up the pitchforks because someone honestly wanted to share links here is my reply expounding my thoughts:
fi am saying i would love a list of links to share with the assholes that show them the prop they pushed was wrong.
why does that mean to you i “need hard proof” to believe something? i just want links. triggering yourself because someone asked for some info says a lot about how you may need to disconnect a hot minute.
my neighbors are refugees from ukraine. i adore them. i can’t just ask them “why do assholes in the US claim you are nazis?” they have lost it all already.
so … yeah. have you seen anything that is shareable with the russia agitprop assholes? not that they are convincible but yeah… helps to share.
—- that the pitchforks keep coming and the ire about wanting links says a lot, folks. be rigorous.
The fuck… Ukraine was attacked…and you’re suggesting that their needs to be hard proof that the entire country isn’t Nazis? WTF
That and doesn’t the burden of proof fall on those making the claim? What business is it of anyone’s to prove Ukraine isn’t Nazi. When no one had proven it is.
Precisely. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof” and all that
the proof and its burden is not in question, the source of truth and its debunking is.
ie: share links debunking the claims. they must exist? turns out they do! someone else replied with what i was looking for. :)
To the people that accept russian propaganda, truth is irrelevant. If you waste time giving them proof of the basic truths the willfully reject. You have only wasted your own time and done exactly what they wanted. In this way they can keep thousands of foolish well-meaning people from simply dismissing their accusations as deserved.
i understand the sentiment. however personally I keep links to this stuff because it is important to me. thanks for your reply.
and did you not comprehend the concept of proving a negative? i mentioned it in my reply even. sheesh. read my other reply too.
fuck no. i am saying i would love a list of links to share with the assholes that show them the prop they pushed was wrong.
why does that mean to you i “need hard proof” to believe something? i just want links. triggering yourself because someone asked for some info says a lot about how you may need to disconnect a hot minute.
my neighbors are refugees from ukraine. i adore them. i can’t just ask them “why do assholes in the US claim you are nazis?” they have lost it all already.
so … yeah. have you seen anything that is shareable with the russia agitprop assholes? not that they are convincible but yeah… helps to share.
https://euvsdisinfo.eu/report/only-the-ruling-elite-in-ukraine-are-nazis-not-ordinary-ukrainians/
https://www.bbc.com/news/64718139
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/the-facts-on-de-nazifying-ukraine/
FYI, posting these on .ml will likely lead to you being instance banned and then you’ll be able to proudly display this achievement unlocked!
thanks for the links!!
Ah, well you’re first comment did not communicate that well at all. You sounded like you wanted proof that Ukrainians weren’t nazis. It read like some tankie ML shit.
the reply to me was, indeed, seemingly written in a triggered haste because at black and white glance it does indeed ask for links.
You can go there for a list of links to Western media that went on and on about the Nazis in Ukraine before the western initiated war against them. It’s what changed my mind, because at the time, at least, those links were still very much live links.
This user is a long since tagged Tankie that just referred to .world/SJW as “The Nazi Instance” for calling attention to a clear misinfo “source” being put out as “news”
Where’s the lie? Here’s more for you:
Don’t those same people often accuse hexbear of brigading?
Again, where’s the lie, Mr "I can’t self-validate and attention seek to make up for it?”
The lie would be anyone on here talking about brigading that post but you. I don’t even see it linked in this thread at all
Edit: thinking about this some more, your take is even more fuck-stupid considering OP is the main force behind the lemmy.ml boycott which encourages people not to participate on the instance whatsoever
well I have an acct there too. since I am, in all actuality, much a lefty. my initial reply was in good faith because I believe folks need to come with links not rhetoric, and now that I have them, (it was in another reply), I can take them back over the wall.
I’m a socialist. I largely stopped going there when they decided anything other than the prevailing view of the admins is racism. Can’t have a meaningful discussion there, wrongthink comments get nuked.
I suspect you’ll get plastered with some label and put in timeout if you attempt to pierce their bubble at all.
yeah. i reckon so. anarchist socialist here too.
the original burden of truth rests with those making claims… there was never any evidence that ukraine had a nazi problem, so why should we or they have to prove a negative before the original claimants provide any evidence at all?
“just asking questions” isn’t “just” it’s also repeating an idea, which absolutely is helping that idea remain and spread… by “just asking questions” that have been asked for years and years and years with no evidence to support the questions, it becomes entirely propaganda
see also: the bullshit asymmetry principle
i wanted evidence the nazi prop was false. my original question had “that patch is nazi” as an idea to prove was false. sheesh. read the whole idea.
and my point was related to the bullshit principal- there MUST be a cohort of links debunking the claims.
Thanks for confirming that you do indeed think of any instance not toeing the Triads preferred narratives as “Nazi Instances”
There’s absolutely Nazis serving in Ukraine, it’s just that the Azov leadership has been subsumed by the Ukrainian military rather than their former role as more of a militia. I haven’t seen any reports of Ukrainian leaders being Nazis.
I might add that there’s plenty of Nazis in Russia as well, and they serve in the Russian army too. Shit, Wagner was named after Hitler’s favorite composer and Perogi’s second in command had the damn SS thunder bolts tatted on his neck. He died with the chef though, thankfully.
shit there are TONS of nazis in the US military and police forces, too. that’s just standard. wanting links that debunk the claims that the gov is formally nazi was my goal. i miss apps like pocket for sharing links by category.
Because Western media just suddenly changed the narrative.
I have no idea if Wagner was a Nazi, but I do like Flight of the Valkeries. The fylflot was used by many people and still is, not as a symbol of hate, the runes are still in use as an alphabet and magical symbols by neopagan asatru…and that’s not my point.
It’d be pretty weird for Wagner to be a Nazi considering he died in 1883…
The attitude is the attitude. What word would you suggest?
Wagner is only relevant insofar as Hitler was a fan, and then that his name was selected for the Russian PMC.
Normally I’d say that could just be a coincidence, but when one of the founding members also happens to have the SS bolts tatted on him, I think it’s safe to say they’re an organization comprised of fascists.
The fylfot is not the SS rune. If Ukraine is a Nazi State, it’s a Nazi State invaded by another Nazi State.
Most of those 2014–2021 links are still live. Here are some.
where? ml?
Yes, sources like NYT, until they just … didn’t.
do you think archive would have it?
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Dude I’ve poured concrete less dense than you, and my house is still standing.
If you’re too dumb, and I refuse to apologize for using ad-hominem replying to comments like yours, to see that russia is brutally attacking and slaughtering innocent Ukrainian civilians, then there is just no hope left for you.
Hope you step on Lego, you troll
Remember there is only one person on Lemmy obsessed with screaming how .ml are tankies and it is cm0002. The most obvious fed in Lemmy history.
Lol, lmao even! Hey, anyways I still haven’t gotten my paycheck, do you have the number for CIA HR?
Do you also call out NYT?
Do you call out the LW moderators for banning dropsitenews?
Ah whataboutism, the last refuge of the scared and confused tankie when faced with reality.
Hypocrisy, the final form of the genocide defender. Would be less embarassing if he did not actively cite a Zionist propaganda website to defend Israel
So US unarmed Canada and Mexico many years ago and they just follow what they are told. Why shouldn’t Russia do the same?
I believe Putin tried handling this peacefully for a very very long time.You sound extremely intelligent and informed. With that, I am super curious how you stay informed about the world. What news sites do you frequent, for starters?
“The US violated their neighbors’ sovereignty, why shouldn’t Russia do the same?”
What if imperialism is bad when anyone does it?
