If you don’t have feelings of depression or anxiety you’re not paying attention.
Or you’re super well off and also don’t give a shift about everyone else
Well off people have this too, it’s just that they have the resources to deal with it more appropriately. Let’s not dehumanize people and instead focus on the real issue, which is available care and treatment for everyone who needs it
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Existence itself is already pure horror.
I mean sounds like a good deal
It kinda drive me nuts how mental health is always a check at a primary care now. Not because I don’t think it’s important. It is. And I’m glad those not in treatment are asked. But for those of us IN treatment. Fuck. After my primary arm chair therapized me for an hour contradicting what my psychologist said, I just started lying.
“your 3 month rotation in psych back in med school really paying dividends now, here in internal medicine, eh?”
If you don’t then you’re either not paying attention or something is wrong with you. The correct response to the state of the world is depression and anxiety
One of the more depressing bits or research related to this. When estimating, “normal” people are excessively optimistic (aka rose tinted glasses). Depressed people were a lot more accurate in their estimates.
It turns out we need those blinkers to not tear ourselves to pieces over the state of things.
I don’t fall for black pill propaganda.
What does that even mean?
https://incels.wiki/w/Blackpill
basically “there’s no hope and I’m not willing to work on change, so we should just all kill ourselves already”
I don’t think that’s what I said though. Pretty big leap to make. idk
I don’t necessarily view it as you saying people should kill themselves. Maybe black pill isn’t as generic of a term as I thought it was and people only heavily associate with incel stuff.
The correct response to the state of the world is depression and anxiety
To me this just reeks of the “there is no hope” type of rhetoric. Things are awful, I’m not saying they’re super cool, and I don’t have false impressions of things getting better soon, but giving up is what they want.
something is wrong with you.
Well yeah it’s pretty obvious in this case. “Doctors” are generally rich and extremely privileged. They’re outside the cares of regular servants.
Eh… It kind of depends on if they paid for medical school or their parents paid for medical school.
Most doctors don’t really start making a decent living until they’re in their mid 30s, and most of that goes to paying back loans. Medicine does not pay what it used to, and residencies are still basically a form of slavery.
I agree the work culture in residencies needs to change. I still find it hard to sympathize with the med school debt. Like many homeowners were paying off their debt for quite a while and came out way ahead. I expect the same of doctors.
Not saying they don’t work very hard and are very stressed, but they are wealthy when you define wealth over the course of life (and their ability to spread that wealth across time with credit).
still find it hard to sympathize with the med school debt. Like many homeowners were paying off their debt for quite a while and came out way ahead.
It’s yet to play out really. The drastic change in rate of reward vs debt is relatively new, and the debt to pay ratio is getting worse and worse, at least outside of specialties. There are older physicians who are still practicing that are making bank, but that doesn’t really guarantee the younger physicians are going to be in the same place when they get that age.
The management and finance sectors of healthcare are now taking the lion’s share of profit, and less and less physicians are owning their own practices.
I’m not saying they aren’t going to be financially comfortable, but it wouldn’t surprise me if most newer physicians end up just being upper middle class instead of “rich or wealthy”.
That’s fair, I hadn’t really adjusted for the recent COL problems. But I’m also thinking of specialities over family physicians, which seem to have already been screwed even years ago.
Yeah, it’s getting hard to find people willing to stay in family medicine. Specialists just end up earning so much more that it’s almost financially irresponsible to not do a fellowship if you can.
I will say that one of the good things about medicine no longer being super lucrative is that it’s no longer really attractive to people who are interested in the field just for the money. It’s a lot easier and more profitable to just get an MBA, or go into finance if you just want to make money.
Though that fact has created some of the worst people in the world imo… There’s a subset of physicians who end up deciding they hate patient care and end up going back to school for their MBA to become hospital administrators.
The correct response is anger. Depression and anxiety are the socially acceptable responses left when we’re conditioned to avoid anger at every turn.
Could be others are better at dealing with stuff
There are parts of the world which are doing fine/haven’t changed. And people can ignore things happening somewhere else quite good or just gettung used to it. We had decades of cold war with the looming immediate annihilation of all humanity and people still did fine.
You know the saying: ignorance is bliss. There’s a lot of perfectly content people out there, barely more conscious than a house plant.
Yea I often lament moments when I feel depressed and anxious but I think without that I wouldn’t also be able to experience the beautiful emotions I feel when I listen to music or watch a truly great movie.
The absence of anxiety and depression is only for the most privileged under capitalism.
For everyone else their presence is a tool of our enslavement.
…that doctor is lying…
…money seems to alleviate the hippocratic oath…
doctors are so far up their own asses on stuff like this it blows me away. And then they wonder why people aren’t open with them
Ok, so let’s say someone is clinically depressed and says “oh everyone is depressed” and the doctor shrugs, says “sure” and moves on. That’s not good.
Saying “no” may seem tone deaf, but it’s the way to keep the conversation open to get the person to share a bit more nuance than “everything sucks for everyone”. Sure chances are that it’s nothing, but they want to at least try to get out nuance.
I can assure you maybe 1% of doctors actually care about your mental health. The rest are only asking because they have to write something down on some electronic form.
If someone isn’t worried about the state of things, they’re mentally disconnected from the world around them, and/or have wealth to not worry about it.
I’m going in for a yearly check up next week to try to get depression meds. I’ve never thought I had depression before (besides seasonal), but I’m not motivated to do a lot of things like cleaning or exercising. I’ve already been on ADHD meds for years, and that did the trick until maybe this last year or two. I’m super positive and optimistic, but I just want to feel like a little more drive in my work and home life. I feel stuck and lazy most of the time. Fingers crossed that I can get on some kinda anti depressants, because I saw the change my wife had when she started them.
2021, still mid covid
US citizen. Stand-up Commendiene in LA.
The elections were spinning up.
Meanwhile her doctor has a completely stable job making enough money to live comfortably with little worry about their livelihood which was right at that moment, worst case, too in-demand.
A doctor sees a lot of patients each day, so she can have a pretty clear picture about the mental health in the population. This statement isn’t necessarily about the doctor herself.
Remember that you can’t unsay anything to a Dr. and good luck getting something like that removed from your medical record. It doesn’t matter til it does. Told a doc I was concerned about my drinking 13 years ago and got some labwork done to make sure my liver was still good. I don’t even drink anymore but I found out a few weeks ago I’d need a waiver to enlist.
…stop, just stop, wait for it and just stop…
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”
-Jiddu Krishnamurti
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I don’t think a doctor would respond like that would they?. Anxiety and sadness are a normal human emotions. They only become Depression and anxiety disorder when they meet specific thresholds. Everyone waters down the meaning of both terms so much that its hard to tell the severity of the issue when someone says i have anxiety.
This isn’t a structural support meme; don’t lean so hard into it.
