Guess I’ll have to take all the Clinton flags off my f850 dually, take all the Clinton signs outta of my yard, and quit wearing my made in China Clinton hat. Hell, I might have to stop letting Bill fuck my wife.
If you do that I’ll have to close my store that sells nothing but Clinton related trinkets and such.
Nobody under 47 years old has even had a chance to vote for Bill. Nobody gives a shit about that guy.
He’s the best option for the joke - Obama and Biden are more recent, but don’t have a reputation for philandering, let alone for being sexual predators.
What about your bill clinton nfts and his golden shoes and the beans that he sold from the oval office. Checkmate leftie
Don’t forget your Clinton bibles!
What am I supposed to do about my Bill tattoo?
At least let me keep my Bill wifu pillow.
Sadly, Bill doesn’t just want to fuck your wife…
The left doesn’t worship their politicians as the second coming of Jesus Christ son of God.
And even if we did, Bill fucking Clinton isn’t on the left
And even if he WAS- Bill Clinton isn’t a fucking pedophile. An adulterer, a sleazy dude? Sure. But you’re not going to convince me that Bill Clinton is into children without some solid evidence.
i wouldn’t be surprised if he was also on the list.
I mean, we already have “the list”- associates who travelled on his plane. Bill’s on it. Bill Gates, too. Plenty of people I’m not convinced are kid fuckers are on that list, but that’s been public information for years.
It seems like most people have forgotten about this age-old classic:
Yeah, we (at least I) don’t prop up shitty people to save face, just because they’re on “my team” and I can’t admit I messed up–like basically every MAGA applogist.
Oh no, not the other right wing dude who ran the country one time. Fuck
In fact we’d be absolutely delighted to filter all the oligarch class pedos out of politics. And yes, all means all. From all corners. Businessmen, politicians, faith leaders. All of them.
I feel this encompasses my political universe.
Trumpists: The Clintons are oligarch crooks! Arrest them!
Me: Nods eagerly.
Grads: The US is an imperialist menace! Shows horrific CIA ops.
Me: Mmm hm. Seems like us, yyep.
I’m a local ML enthusiast/tinker too, so:
AI Haters: Sam Altman is a tech bro con artist! ChatGPT is evil and melting our brains!
Me: Yep. Nods. Massive understatement, you have no idea.
Yet I feel binned as a Neolib, US Apologizer and AI Bro. Which I am not.
You have grasped at the very least the most basic understanding of the concept of Nuance, that’s how you’re able to reason.
Those fucks don’t have any critical thinking skills.
And scientific skepticism of one’s ‘tribe’.
“Trump does no wrong; I trust him no matter what.” “None of these communist government incidents are real, or matter.” “All AI is offensive (or, the contrary, you’re a luddite for not believing in AGI).”
It’s frustrating how absolute loyalty is such a cultural norm now, anything less is error. I even see it with some young folks really clinging to their favorite streamers.
…I think that clouds a lot of judgement even if people are good critical thinkers. In fact, I think I read some study on how critical thinking tests nosedive when the subject is one’s own beliefs, and spike for the opposition.
It’s frustrating how absolute loyalty is such a cultural norm now
Not sure if it was ever any different. Listen to some interviews from the 50s or read some newspapers from the late 1800s. Propaganda has never been any different than today. Tribalism was the same. It’s been pretty much always the case that the majority of the population thought in absolutes.
The problem is you need to have a certain amount of intelligence, education, open-mindedness and humility to accept that things aren’t black and white and that no side has all the answers and all the truth. It’s much easier to just take one side completely and believe that the other side are pure daemons.
You see the thing is that you don’t see this as a sport, a lot of other people treat it as such.
I’m with you.
They understand that they’re being fucked over by those in power, but are completely blind to who’s doing it the worst and worship them instead.
See, you say this, but (with all due respect, as I get the perspective), you might vehemently disagree with me asserting that “boycotting AI is playing right into tech bro’s hands.”
So yes I agree with the irony, but I also feel like nuance and sub-arguments (from my perspective) get drowned out, too. Not every single Democrat politician is an oligarch, the US has done some good abroad, and using ML as a FOSS tool you own and host is not necessarily bad.
Hilarious that they think they “got us” with someone who was president a quarter century ago.
Democrats voted unanimously to release the files, Republicans voted to hide them. Explain that, MAGA.
Actually, the dems weren’t unanimous. I think there were two who voted present.
voted present? Does that mean abstained?
Yes.
Their angle is not “haha your guy will lose!” but had already shifted to "well your guy does it too so it’s ok you can’t accuse us of anything otherwise you’re a dirty hypocrite "
Which i always hate because he’s not “my guy”. He’s a politician that I voted for based on their policies. This isn’t a sports game.
I remember this with Elon Musk’s Nazi salute back in January. Even if the images of other politicians “doing it” hadn’t been taken grossly out of context, Musk still did it.
Most of those are photos of a wave, which is what gets me. They say “Elon had a photo out of context just like these people!”
And it’s like “No…it’s a video with the context very much kept and there are no illusions”
“Drop your weapons! Or I kill the man.”
“…Well, kill him, he’s not our man.”
The right considers Republican pedophiles good pedophiles, while the left considers all pedophiles vile. Enough of the double standards bullshit for the rich at the expense of children’s lives.
The cult has always assumed that everyone’s as bad as they are. That’s why they do the things that they do.
If they are on the list, and we can prove the charges, lock them up! I don’t care if it’s the pope, Obama, or my own father. LOCK THEM UP.
Yeah! Lock up father Stupidmanager!
Yes yes yes, some founding fathers have very questionable sex lives with young women, so now let’s see the files and maybe we will find one thing trump has in common with founding fathers?
Obviously, we don’t really care about Bill Clinton, but I would like to bring up someone a lot of us will care about, and should still treat the same way.
Marvin Minsky was a pioneer in the AI field. He also had ties to Epstein. Now, you may not care about Minsky or AI (though I’ll point out that the research field and what capitalism is doing with that research are very different things). But you might care about Richard Stallman, and he comes into this, too:
The controversy swirling around him now stems from a series of emails from a CSAIL group email list–made public by Selam Jie Gano–in which Stallman said that a 17-year-old girl who allegedly was instructed by Epstein to have sex with AI pioneer Marvin Minsky likely seemed “entirely willing” to engage in the illegal act. He also argued it is unfair to call such an incident “sexual assault”.
Stallman dropped out as president of the Free Software Foundation because of this.
Minsky himself died in 2016, but as far as I’m concerned, Stallman got exactly what he deserved. There’s no evidence he was directly involved as far as I’m aware, but those are not acceptable comments to make, and he shows some deep misunderstandings of consent here.
i literally don’t give a shit about either of them. if stallman diddles kids, he can go eat his foot fungus in jail with the rest of em. and the AI guy too.
