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The proposed update to Switzerland’s Ordinance on the Surveillance of Postal and Telecommunications Traffic (VÜPF: Verordnung über die Überwachung des Post- und Fernmeldeverkehrs) represents a significant expansion of state surveillance powers, worse than the surveillance powers of the USA. If enacted, it would have serious consequences for encrypted services such as Threema, an encrypted WhatsApp alternative and Proton Mail as well as VPN providers based in Switzerland.
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This is the first thing I’ve ever disliked about Switzerland (not that I know a lot about the country).
There’s a reason every billionair has a bank account in Switzerland.
And it’s not to pay more taxes. Or to launder less money.
What this says is billionaires are entitled to privacy to hoard their $$$ but nobody else is for everyday life.
For a more extreme example, look to the Principality of Monaco. Being so much smaller, it can be much more extreme.
This would be catastrophic to Proton AG
In their AI announcement yesterday they mentioned that they are moving to the EU because of legal protections.
The region that repeatedly insists on backdoors in any encrypted communications?
As much as it’s dumb, many other places (such as Australia, where I live) are similar at this point.
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I mean to my knowledge the US hasn’t tried to force encryption backdoors recently?
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Which has nothing to do with encryption?
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Sweden bent over and wants to join the EU
Ah, to live in 1994 again.
Link?
https://proton.me/blog/lumo-ai
Read the Building EuroStack for the Future section
Looked cool, Too bad it’s brainwashed like all the others.
“brainwashed” 💀
Why is this world and timeline so hell bent on recreating dystopian sci fi novels from the 80s?
Because they were about late state capitalism.
two factors:
- those novels were warnings about the path we were on
- dorkasses like musk and altman missed the allegorical point
Yea, true. And sad. We’re fucked
Torment nexus go
Ah, yes. The country that formerly let you have anonymous secret bank accounts.
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or are american
Why would non-billionaire Americans get special treatment?
america is the only country that is except from Swiss banking privacy laws. they strong armed us with something (still dunno until today what exactly) to have it removed for american citizens.
Considering that we might have a World War III or 2nd American Civil War in a decade or two, it would be foolish of Switzerland to not permit encrypted VPN. A stable neutrality is very profitable in a world of uncertainty.
It was inevitable. What did you all expect from the country that hoarded all that nazi gold?
Wenn die Schweiz dann ein Überwachungsstaat ist kann sie ja auch gleich in die EU eintreten
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Wasn’t there an announcement from proton a few days back to possibly move their data Centers out of Switzerland because of this?
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they’ve been threatening this for year to keep suckling at the tit of governmental subsidies to make Switzerland look more attractive for investors with them being here. I doubt they’ll follow through.
It depends, privacy has been their entire marketing pitch forever.
I self host mine. Honestly I just self host as much as I can to avoid stuff like this because while many European companies are great you just never know. I was with Tuta but decided to self host, same for when I was using Filen for backups. Hell I’m even self hosting my git repos and search engine now.
switzerland was never a utopia for anybody except corporations, billionaires, and nazis. their “neutrality” was nothing more than an excuse for unregulated capitalism.
“In a democracy, the right way is to argue, not threaten to leave.” Socialist member of parliament said.
Does this man understand the very first day this law would approve Proton is dead? Do politicians understand privacy at all?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Everything goes to shit.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton Switch to Proton
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Its always the next thing, and the next thing and the next thing. What’s the new proton everyone will annoy the fuck out of us with?
This is why I stopped giving a shit. Actually. I do give a shit. I will let them surveil all of my shits, and garbage, and vomit.
proton is currently moving their infrastructure out of switzerland because of this bullshit, so no reason to lose your cool
Switzerland never had solid privacy laws - and is known for intelligence service overreach for decades.
They had a Stasi like system of “who to imprison” when “the time comes”.
They listen to all IP traffic in and out the country - which is concerning in times of traffic pattern analysis. And they are known for their close cooperation with US intelligence services.
Protons (and Threemas) claim of “soo good swiss privacy laws” is nothing more than swiss-washing. And they know it.
Proton has already given away data of its customers (climate activists) to the swiss authorities. And only talked about it when the press got onto it.
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when legislation removes a whole well know phrase in one fell swoop. Bye bye “swiss bank account”
There’ll be a clause that banks are exempt
There might be but you ruined my quip!
Any news about this?
