Correct, liberalism is a center-right ideology. They are literally closer on the political spectrum to fascists than leftists.
Fascism is literally illiberal.
Liberals will always put corporate interests ahead of the rights of the people. Of course they’d rather have happy people and happy corpos, but when push comes to shove they are always more willing to hand the keys to fascists than socialists. At least the fascists believe in capitalism.
Liberalism has nothing to do with corporations. These are two totally independents axis. One one you have liberalism and authoritarianism On the other you have socialism and capitalism. You can have liberal socialist and you can have liberal capitalist. People love to conflate these things based on the popular parties in their country. But just because there are opposing parties with some specific economic/social viewpoint combination in one country, it doesn’t mean that they make a template how it works.
Dearest, no. The axis are economic left vs right (private vs public ownership) and authoritarian vs libertarian. Libertarian being “I can do whatever I want” and authoritarian being “you can only do what I say.” Libertarianism is distinct from liberalism which is a political ideology invented by John Locke which believes free market capitalism is the best economic system except that it needs to be regulated to protect consumers (think the FDA). Before Donald Trump and for most of American history, both parties were liberal parties.
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Just an FYI: this comment reads like your whole political education is based on the political compass 💀💀
I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply here. Are you saying that it’s not correct? Care to explain why?
I’m saying that the political compass (the two axes you described) is for the politically illiterate; a farce that distorts political economy into delusion.
For its flaws, it sure does more service than you let on. ML folks like to make a big stink about it, same with liberals. It exposes authoritarianism and right and right-leaning ideologies for what they are.
What do tool do you prefer to visualize political ideologies?
Honestly I don’t care for kids memes from the internet about a compass. Just because there are kids creating memes, it doesn’t make it incorrect. What is more illiterate is conflating things that don’t have anything in common just because “that’s how it always is” just because that’s how it works in your country.
Also there’s actually a third very popular axis that tends to be conflated with the rest based on random thoughts, and that’s progresivism vs conservativism. People also like to say stuff like “all liberals are automatically progressive” (and vice versa) in the same way as the original post did.
Liberalism is not a libertarian ideology. Look it up - and the pairing on the axis is libertarianism and authoritarianism.
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We have a major political party which is liberal, progressive and socialist. We also have a major political party which is liberal, progressive and capitalist. We also have a semi-major political party which is liberal, conservative and capitalist. And we also have major socalist conservative authoritarian party. No bending out of shape was necessary.
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One is “social” “democracy”, the other is the inalienable human right to food, health, housing, education, work, rest etc. through an economy owned/controlled by the working people. An economy where the parasites as a class have not only been liquidated, but are actively suppressed from reemerging.
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Depends on. So called “Ur liberalism” was the foundation of a lot of our moral systems on the left, but then we had to realize capitalism have weaponized early representative democracies, so a great split began, and after some conservatives started to call themselves “classical liberals”, a steep rightward shift begun, especially with all the moral panics about communism. I remember I had to vote Fidesz, because I got told that the liberal party masquerading as social democrats called MSZP wants to bring back communism and nix all intellectual jobs they can, because “worker’s party”. Meanwhile, Fidesz nixed all intellectual jobs they could, because they want to build a “work based society”. Then all the old people I hated who only liked “communism” because of the authoritarianism suddenly became Fidesz voters, some even celebrated the “return of communism to Hungary”, because for them communism was equal with Stahanovist work moralism, which the capitalists in our country have appropriated to themselves. Get ready to work for “at least he works even if it’s not much money” style praises, which makes me wish hell was not only real, but that these people had a special place there, very deep down.
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marxist is stuck in an election with a liberal and a fascist and an anarchist
marxist votes for self and gives election to fascist
marxist doesn’t care because their purpose was to destroy the nice liberal state they live in to give their life purpose and make their larp universe real
ps. anarchist never mattered
It astonishes me just how hard the army of votescolds are pushing at the moment, like they’re “hey guys this isn’t the time to reform Democracy or the Democratic Party, the election is only 39 months away! Shut up and get in line!”
I’m all in on trying to reform tbh. If we want to do it right though, we need to change the voting system on in each state, like Alaska and Maine did.
Having an alternative voting system is how we can get more candidates like Mamdani in office, since we don’t have to worry about vote splitting between our preferred candidate and the incumbent.
First Past the Post voting is the predominant method for how voting is done in the US. It’s a winner takes all system where you can only pick one of the candidates on the ballot. I feel alternative voting makes way more sense since you can pick your preferred candidate(s) first and then have some back up options you’re personally okay with winning. We end up with so many do nothing incumbents since people worry about splitting their vote so much and letting the worst candidate win, due to the flaw of the system.
Let’s get the word out about alternative voting systems and organizations that promote them. Get involved locally can help scale it up as well. NYC uses an alternative voting system for instance.
Underrepresented BlueSky Social Media Accounts:
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Then the fasciast shoots the Marxist and Ancharist, then proceeds to beat the Liberal to death.
Liberal surpised Pickachu face
“Just because this has happened many, many, mmmanyyyyy times before how was I supposed to know it’d happen again?”
The fascist told the liberal “um, ackchually, I’m a moderate, christian-democratic conservative, I just think woke went too far with the trans kids thanks to those radicals”.
“I was one of the special ones!”
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Reminds me of Romania right now where the centrist candidate that won the presidential elections (and tons of people on here celebrated because it wasn’t a reactionary right-winger) refused to ban and straight up endorsed legionary and fascist organizations to “fight communism”
Article in Romanian, though using machine translation will get the general idea across
Centrism is always just right wing trying to not get called right wing
Or how happy they were kid starver won them labour immediately just speed up doing what the torries were?
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Only if the fascist happens to be in charge right now, because that’s the law. smh.
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Yep, that sums up November 2024 in America pretty well.
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The joke is better in the original Hebrew
WDYM?
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Hey, you could add an alt-text to your reaction image like this (you can just copy paste the following markdown):
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🤡
Gun control for me but not for thee. The liberal way.
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Instant sub, now I’ll have some tacticool larpers in my feed LOL
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So, what strategy do you think would improve things? What should be done?
Direct and immediate action along with halting all Dem support until they start trying to get leftist voters instead of trying to get the mythical “moderate conservative”.
What does “Direct and immediate action” entail?
Not sure I can say since I got perma banned from Reddit for saying it too many times. Don’t know Lemmy’s rules.
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Probably not the same strategy that got us 12 years of Trumpism. We should try literally anything else.
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There is no legal or civic action that can undo the now inevitable.
People are going to be surprised when the gop looses elections, democrats come into power again and nothing changes for most people. Then gets even worse the next gop presidency .
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I just read through your history…
Cringe behaviour. Touch grass
Ah right, liberals, the bane of everyone’s existence. Nazis are already blaming liberals for everything, so it was just a matter of time until anarchists (or whatever OP likes to be) start doing the same.
Mooooooooom, call the cops. The lefists are being leftists again, they don’t see that compromising with and providing the material basis for fascists is actually a good thing!!1!1!!1!1!!
Mooom call the cops. Enlightened communist (or whatever you think you are) think everyone is enemy and then they’re surprised when someone doesn’t agree with them.
Wat
Maybe liberals should stop doing things that make fascism grow, and help the people who stop fascism? Maybe that’s asking them to not be racist elitist assholes, so they’ll never do it.
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Hey now, don’t undersell them
They also helped build out a lot of the systems that the fascists are using, and reached across the aisle to support the facists.
Get ratiod you fascist-sympathizing, state-capitalist, imperialst neo-colonialism enabling ignoramus
Anarchism is a liberal ideology. Why would OP be blaming themselves?
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Tell me you don’t understand politics without telling me you don’t understand politics.
Rule 0: No agitprop. Not a meme, just shittiness.
- Only post socialist memes
That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)
What makes it explicitly humorous?
… it’s literally a telling a joke?
I mean this earnestly, what part is funny?
“X has two bullets” is an established joke format. That the liberal gives the gun to the fascist is ironic in that it subverts the usual formula of someone being shot twice, which is itself based in irony, as one would originally expect two people to be shot. The fact that it’s an accurate metaphor for actual politics is necessary; if it weren’t we’d all think the joke doesn’t make sense.
It’s not funny, though.
It’s just stupid. Top to bottom, left to right. There’s no angle that is funny or enlightened.
The twist is lame. The original premise isn’t funny. Certainly not ‘funnier’ than the propaganda the premise is trying to deliver.
The whole fucking thing is just a Schrödinger’s asshole setup with a different sort of joke than we’re used to with those setups.
If you buy into the agitprop, it reinforces purity testing and infighting, while undermining solidarity between people who could find common ground.
And if you don’t, then it’s just a joke, bro.
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Never specified if the bullets are actually for the firearm in question though…
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I guess the Marxist would keep the gun, but shoot the roof and the anarchist would shoot the roof to name a point?
Depends on. If they’re a “Marxist-Leninist” (read: Stalinist), they would shoot the liberal and the anarchist, then try to negotiate with the fascist. It they’re an actual Marxist, they would shoot the fascist and the liberal, then try to negotiate with the anarchist.
What’s there to negotiate? Once the fascists and the liberals are out of the way the Marxists and Anarchists can start a stateless society based on mutual cooperation. It’s a win-win.
Historically, Marxist-Leninists have shot more fascists than anyone else.
After they were forced to, before that they tried to negotiate with them.
Yeah, and before that they tried to negotiate with the liberals to team up against the fascists, but the liberals preferred the fascists.
