Glad they’re taking off the gloves a little, but it’s always been a non-option to just make our lives significantly and irrevocably better like M4A or the PRO act and although they’re good at trying and failing, they never talk about the consequences as dire as they actually are with few exceptions.
What, are you going to vote for the guy who will put his knee on your throat and murder you? No, of course not. You should vote for not that, because not that will not do that and if someone else does, they will glare disapprovingly from a safe distance, secretly appreciating that it isn’t them being murdered.
Democrats. We’re not actively evil.
If it gets really bad, Chuck Schumer will write a stern letter and Cory Booker will, like… stand in one spot for a long time talking about stuff.
Simpsons in 1994:
And yet, if I have a choice to be policed by Chauvin or Thao, there is no question that I choose Thao.
Yes, the ultimate goal is to deprive both of these men of their power. But for that to happen we need Chauvin to take his knee off our neck.
This is barely a metaphor by the way. Since Trump pardoned Chauvin and the Democrats didn’t.Evidently I must have been thinking of another pardon.You know we need to destroy the power of both
Of course. And my belief is that neither voting nor abstaining from voting for anyone is going to achieve that.
However, it may make the task easier or harder.
yeah the other option is revolution, and with that it’s still not guaranteed you end up with what you want when the dust settles. Good chance China or Russia will take advantage and jump in and fill the power vacuum in the US when civil war happens.
There’s another real possibility.
History seems to be repeating itself. Right now the U.S. is in the “Germany in 1933” phase. If we don’t deal with the situation ourselves then it’s possible that a coalition of other countries could do the job for us, in which case “innocent” Americans will be nothing more than collateral damage.
Who knows how much the world’s Nuclear arsenal will change the situation, but if any regime in the last 100 years is stupid and pig headed enough to try and win a thermonuclear war… that’s possibly why he says so many stupid and out of pocket things- to convince people that is definitely an option.
Revolution is so far away in the US I think it’s just an unserious idea at this point, and it has a poor track record in history anyway. Personally, I think political organizing outside of the parties is the best model, then use that organized power to disrupt the status quo and demand concessions. Syndicalism, basically, but it doesn’t need to be only at the workplace. Shut down roads, block police from going anywhere, etc. Anything you can. But there needs to be a large constituency that supports these actions first. How to build that is an important question.
These things have a way of happening suddenly, once the Tipping Point arrives. Nobody foresaw the fall of the Soviet Unions and the Iron Curtain. Sure, it seemed inevitable at some point, but when it happened, the world was shocked by both the suddeness that it happened, and the speed at which it progressed.
NOBODY in the entire world woke up that morning, thinking that the Berlin Wall would come down by the end of the day.
No you need the guy with the camera to set it down and throw a fucking Molotov.
Become ungovernable. We already live in a police state.
Becoming ungovernable is not incompatible with voting though. And again, will be easier without a knee on your neck.
Tankies here are ultimately the meme they post about the dems preventing a shift back left with how they discourage voting.
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Voting is one part of building our movement and achieving goals. Tankies discourage that and keep us from moving left.
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trump hasn’t pardoned chauvin from my research as a note.
He’s garbage and his entire administration is collectively like Darth Vader huffing spray paint.
You’re right I must have been thinking of someone else.
In case you choose Thao you get same course but in slow pace. The whole Trump thingy just accelerated things and showed the real faces of current politicians not only in us but worldwide
If you do nothing other than voting, then maybe. But I’m saying voting is just a small part of a larger overall strategy. And the non-voting actions are how things will get better.
This is largely how we got the new deal. Roosevelt was forced to adopt a lot of these programs by the organized demands of the labor movement.
That’s a nice false dichotomy you made there.
How is it a false equivalency?
False dichotomy, not false equivalency. Two different things.
if I have a choice to be policed by Chauvin or Thao, there is no question that I choose Thao.
Right here is the false dichotomy, considering the context of the comment this was written in reply to (the one by meatbridge) being a metaphor for voting, equating Chauvin to Republicans and Thao to Democrats.
You frame it as if we only had two choices. Which is verifiably wrong.
If we are talking about voting in U.S. federal elections, voters only have two choices. Third party candidates can not win with the current structure. If all states switched to ranked choice voting, and if states divided House seats by percentage of voters per party instead of winner-take-all for each gerrymandered region of a map, THEN there could be more than two options. I would like to see that happen.
You are correct that 3rd parties can’t win. But how is voting for either of the other two options winning? I’ve seen both in power for the last few decades, and it’s a shit-show either way.
You may not like the other options, but that doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
Because the goal of voting is to influence governance. It is not an end unto itself. Yes, you can vote for other parties. You can also vote for Donald Duck. It just has no effect.
In terms of which party will govern, there are two options. Choose the one you despise least. And then do whatever you think is necessary to end the duopoly outside of the general election.
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Nice story bud. Too bad it’s full of shit.
You are trying to bring emotion to a math fight. Third parties will not be able to win under the current system.
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Except they are actively evil they don’t just ignore Republican actions it wasn’t like Biden was looking the other way when murder by police officers was reaching record highs and Israel was commiting a genocide with his support or Obama was looking the other way when millions are violently deported and many others blown up at weddings by drone strikes. They commit plenty of active evil themselves.
Democrats. We’re not actively evil.
That’s an inspiring bumper sticker. NOT.
Unfortunately, it seems to be the entire Democratic strategy since 2000.
Goes way back before that. Carter was unable to get the DNC leadership support for budgets or reforms. And Carter was barely left of center. In fact, Ted Kennedy challenged him for the presidential nomination in 1980, with Kennnedy running as a more liberal candidate. Kennedy lost, of course, and then Carter lost to Reagan.
First comment I see today and not a wall of text is a word salad 🥗
The irony of using terrible grammar to complain about word salad
You got the point… That’s all that matters!
Fair point!
Although I was very confused about the “wall of text” part, considering how short the preceding comment was…
Occasionally, you might not understand what someone is saying or satirizing as you aren’t familiar with their style or substance. And that’s fine. So is admitting to it in a comment! But doing it so dismissively is rude, and paints you as an *80’s teen movie bully
Notice they also admitted that they can’t read “walls of text” either so this is just the modern generation of “just put the [THING] in the bag” and “I ain’t readin all that” mentality that spending more than seven seconds of attention on something is “cringe.”
We probably deserve the coming apocalyptic horrors being spawned by man and nature alike.
Makes sense to me, it’s even punctuated accurately and effectively outlines the premise of the meme. It’s just a sentence you have to slow down and turn off your “internet scroller” brain for a moment and use your “communication” brain.
If you can’t understand them, thats on you.
BoTh SiDeS
Are you saying I’m saying that, or are you mocking people who say that?
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Going to hell for smiling now, 🤦♀️
Also, picking the least shitty option is always better than being ok with the shitty option. If you want better options then go start actively volunteering for a good option.
Ok, and when they ratfuck the good option and instead give you republican-lite?
Learn what they did and work against it? Strategies change all the time.
Being ok with the republican choice is accelerationism, which always fucks over everybody.
Learning what they did doesn’t help, the only tool we have to make sure ratfucking isn’t an effective way for conservatives to gain power. When progressives get ratfucked, the republican agenda moves forward no matter if a republican or republican-lite who is happy to work with republicans wins.
Establishment ratfuckers and the ratchet effect - name a more iconic duo.
start firearms training and put an antifa patch on your denim jacket, join an anarchist reading club and start talking about Mao’s policies at family functions.
Or you know reject the false binary being presented and organize the change needed outside of electoral politics.
Shh, you’re telling people to actually do something instead of blindly following the status quo and hoping someone does it for them.
There is nothing false about the two party binary
Other parties exist.
Sure they do. And if you vote for one in a FPTP system, it’s the same as throwing your ballot in the garbage.
Hey, that’s not true!
The real effect is giving an advantage to the main party that the 3rd party is less similar to.
That’s true, but our system leads to two party duopolies.
Because we live in a country of reactionaries who have allowed themselves to be controlled by that system instead of organizing to take back control of it themselves.
No, the design/implementation of the system itself results in two dominant parties. It is possible for new parties to be created, but without a change to the system, that would still result in a two party duopoly, just with different parties.
without a change to the system
That’s the whole point but it won’t change unless we change what we are doing, cause it clearly isn’t working.
Those parties are only dominant because people fall in line. If people stopped falling in line and changed who they gave their support to, those parties would no longer be dominant.
Their power relies on our capitulation. If we want other parties to win, then we have to give our vote to them and hope that others will do the same. If I keep giving up my vote to someone else that’s a guaranteed way for the person I actually want to lose.
Frankly, I believe the entire system of hierarchical, representative democracy is a failed system to begin with and, especially under the influence of a capitalist economy, will inevitably collapse into fascism. Parliamentary democracy is only marginally better. Until we abandon this system and begin governing ourselves in a horizontal structure, it will never change for the better for the working class. Everything else is just spinning wheels, maintaining an inherently oppressive status quo.
too bad people wont wake up from that, if it stays the same, maybe a couple of cyle of republican elections, would finally wake people up, because republicans always made sure the ticking time bombs that set in place is always the blame of the dems
Then maybe the Dems should stop building the bombs, and handing them to the Republicans.
The democrats are more active than that.
look at Harris’ proposal for Medicare for all: co-opting progressive terminology and proposing a system that ultimately keeps our disgustingly fractured system of wasteful and redundant privatized administrative bureaucracy. Only now there would be a two lane system where the rich class have better doctors and care while the poor “technically have insurance”, just with long wait times and shittier doctors and facilities. If you think this wouldn’t be the case literally talk to anyone currently on Medicaid just about finding a provider.
The poor would now technically have Medicare but overall will be bitter about how terrible their experience is, giving ammo to the right to fuel us towards fascism, the democrats get to go on about their “healthcare win”that doesn’t really fix anything of substance for 99% of people, and even more tax dollars are funneled into top donors like Aetna and Cigna. Win win (except for the worker class, once most jobs stop providing insurance to anyone outside of upper management/executives as a perk to cut costs since “you have Medicare now” and material conditions are worsened significantly for 60+% of us).
It’s a more substantial version of the individual mandate from obamacare. Technically everyone gets insurance now, but at increased cost to you, which makes people resentful (especially young people) and accelerates adoption of the right wing politics on a single issue for politically apathetic voters (I never voted but now I’m voting republican bc Obama forced me to buy $200/mo health insurance and then the republicans got rid of that), doesnt actually fix any of the pricing or complexity issues, and funnels tons of cash to key donors (see the “forcing to buy insurance with stuff tax penalties for not doing so” bit). A half baked solution compromised by their inability to do literally anything on behalf of their constituents before their donors
It would be a more accurate depiction if the other cop was like handing the murderer a weapon going “don’t worry, this will help you because then it won’t be as painful, I’m on your side really”
Someone actually talking sense in this sub instead of spouting reactionary tripe. Rare sight.
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Bernie is the one with the camera.
Which makes all of us George Floyd.
What I always appreciate about this meme is that they picked Tou Thao to represent the Dem platform to Chauvin’s Republican. Thao famously denied any wrongdoing up to sentencing and described himself as a human traffic cone. As a result, he got a worse sentence than even other officers who put hands on Mr. Floyd(though not as bad as Chauvin of course). It really gives it layers.
US politics is literally Kafkaesque. You have an opposition party who refuse to be an opposition party.
Not really… it’s just your garden variety corruption. They’re both owned by the same ultra-wealthy corporations and individuals, so of course they’re both doing the bidding of their owners.
It’s quite literally worse. Chauvin faced consequences.
only after world wide pressure, most don’t get that
Took me a minute to get the context of what I was looking at. I was going to ask what the LEO on the left side was doing… Then… Yeah. I don’t even know that motherfuckers name. I also don’t care to. Fuck him.
He’s in prison.
Good. I hope he gets the Epstein treatment.
You know what they say - it’s not stupid if it works…
