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Holy shit, the unhinged right are masters of making themselves out to be the real victims. What fucking chodes they are.
Crybullying is a tactic we let work far too often.
I dealt with them enough people that my response to crybulling is to laugh in their face and dare them to throw a punch. Which is surprisingly effective when you are a five five dude who pulls off the wildman look quite well.
lol I read cyber bullying, whoops
And the “left” is sitting back and allowing their country to be steamrolled by these fucking chodes. It’s embarrassing, really.
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First amendment absolutely applies in public schools.
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Have you seen the courts lately? they’ve turned themselves into a farce with ever more flagrant anti-constitutional rulings. Citing them doesn’t hold the gravity it once did
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Everyone else surprised that a school district would take any action at all against any bully, let alone one bullying a trans student.
This has gone too far. Conservative media has just become purposeless cruelty. Bullying in any form shouldn’t be allowed in school. Its obviously not only inhumane to allow that shit but its a liability for schools.
When was it not? Rush was pretty mean back in the day.
Nobody in either of my kids schools get bullied. It hasn’t been an issue for 20 years. It doesn’t take a lot of effort either. Kids just don’t see the point, they have better things to do.
If you make an effort you can shut that shit down.
Edit: lol Lemmy quit being reddit. Downvoting this is sad! Seriously the kids don’t bully each other, they have been taught to help each other, and tolerate each other. That’s the effort.
So downvoting this is like saying: but we like bullying!
The world could be better, but people will downvote that idea.
No. Down voting is disagreeing with bullying hasn’t been a thing for 20 years. Many people here have been bullied in the last twenty years. Heck, at my kid’s school there was a bullying incident that caused quite a stir a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, the district no longer has any tools to deal with it if the restorative justice model doesn’t bring all the parties to the table. The parents, from what I hear, said it was a boys will be boys thing. And I know of at least one person who withdrew their child in no small part due to this.
So I agree that bullying is probably way down from when I was a kid, but to say it isn’t a thing because you have no awareness of it is a little self centered.
I am not saying it doesn’t exist, I don’t want to imply that.
What I was trying to say, is it doesn’t have to. Maybe I should have made that more clear. The schools my kids went to made it a priority to make it go away, and they succeeded. They did what you do with all kids, you move their attention and reward the good behaviors. They have a large age difference so this spans many years.
It is so depressing that other schools throw up their hands and just say kids will be kids. My whole point wasn’t to say it doesn’t happen, but that it CAN be better.
Nobody in either of my kids schools get bullied. It hasn’t been an issue for 20 years.
Maybe your kids went to a unicorn of a school, but most schools have some sort of bullying problem, whether it’s about queer issues, race, economic status or even just an ordinary name. If the school allows it, bullies will exist and find something, anything to bully passive kids over.
I agree. I am just saying it does not have to be that way.
That’s not how you worded it. You sound like you think bullying only started recently with trans students.
Lol what? I never mentioned trans students at all.
Spoken like every school admin and parent turning a build eye to bullying right in front their faces ever.
No. The opposite of that.
The schools make a safe place to go to school part of the curriculum. They do not turn a blind eye. They also don’t threaten punishment, but encourage inclusiveness. Of course that is WOKE now so most other schools are going to ramp up the bullying.
I talked to my kids and their friends many times over the years, and was surprised because it is so different than what I had.
They just don’t even see the point in harassing anyone, it has no value to them, and they never get harassed either.
And then everyone started clapping
More likely your kids and their friends were the bullies. That’s why you never heard about it lol
Whatever. Actually I was asking them because they very much are the kids that might have been bullied.
I get it, nobody wants it to go away or be addressed. If someone like me says it can be better it’s jokes and no it can’t.
And that’s why it is a problem.
Good for your kids I guess. That experience is not universal. My nephew has had repeated issues with it.
No its not universal. Its depressing other schools won’t make the effort and I only said it because I am hoping people realize it doesn’t have to be this way.
A school, parents, and community can try and focus kids attention on being better. But they don’t. Hell many communities and parents are becoming worse.
I got involved because I had good reason to think my kids would have been targets.
Edit: I am not stupid, I know it occurs, but it is infrequent. They schools make equity and inclusiveness a cornerstone of education. Well at least they did, who know what will happen now.
They get triggered if the wind blows the wrong direction. Fuck em.
As usual, the cruelty is the point!
School bullies are tolerated for the same reason police tolerate the proud boys. The Christian agenda is to raise their kids to be Christian Soldiers terrorizing Queer kids and we’re apparently supposed to go along with letting it happen. Fuck that.
Looks like it’s been misreported as one male saying in the locker room “there’s a girl in here” and others saying they felt uncomfortable with a girl there. The school say there’s more to it than media covered. Suspending a group for 10 days for expressing discomfort wouldn’t be valid, but obviously that’s not what happened
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It sounds like there wasn’t a girl in the locker room, but a trans boy.
I’m not saying that isn’t awkward, but your perception of events aren’t exactly accurate either.
I’m trans personally, and I think the solution to this is more gender-neutral spaces. If I use the men’s room, I make men uncomfortable because I’m a woman. If I didn’t pass, I might make folks uncomfortable in the women’s room instead.
The issue is the gender binary and our cultures discomfort of anything outside it. Not that a trans boy was more comfortable in the boys locker room.
That said, I don’t think the trans boy should have been filming. I get the he wanted to catch the harassment on video, but an audio recording would have served the same purpose.
To be fair, the big WTF to me was that the trans boy walked into the locker room to film the reactions. I think breaking out the camera in any locker room by anyone would be considered unacceptable.
True. My guess is that this is something that has been consistently happening to him. Knowing how schools slow-roll harassment and bullying compliants (unless it has been massively reworked in the last 20 years) he probably saw video evidence as the only way to force the staff to intervene, and was willing to accept the risks of filming the incident.
Teenagers are tricky, could have been to document unjust harassment, or it could have been to ragebait the other kids. Without having seen the video, I’ve no idea which way it went, and even then might be impossible to know without broader context.
Makes it very difficult to fairly cover a potentially nuanced situation since the privacy of underaged kids is important, so we are left with vague second hand reporting.
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If there was a girl in my locker room in school, I would have been uncomfortable too.
I was referencing specifically this part of your post.
But I agree with your take overall. And see that in the quoted text you were referencing the boys perceptions. But it also sounds like this harassment was ongoing, hence the trans boy feeling the need to record it. Calling him a girl was likely part of that harassment. They likely know he’s trans. But are learning a lot of exclusionary rhetoric from their peers and likely adults too. Which they used to harass and exclude the trans boy.
We need education, inclusion. And yeah, safe gender neutral spaces too.
In fairness to my past self, a locker room was a place to change my clothes and get out. I was uncomfortable being in there with anyone for any length of time.
I’m trying to take a view from the other boys, who see him as a girl. You can’t reasonably expect people who’ve grown up in a society where they’re is a binary assignment between boy and girl at birth to suddenly understand and accept a trans person, without some kind of education, coaching and adjustment period. From the other boys perspective, this student was a girl, and he just came into the locker room and started filming them. If I went into a women’s locker room and started filming, I probably would get a police escort out of the building with some shiny new bracelets. There are two sides to this story. I’m not saying that the trans boy wasn’t being harassed. I was saying that there is more going on here, because a couple of boys saying “I’m not comfortable with this girl in the locker room” wouldn’t get them suspended for 10 days, the school district said the same thing in the article.
I was also uncomfortable being in there. And I agree with you that the article doesn’t give us enough background of what was going on, because obviously there’s a lot more to the story if the school board did find that these kids were bullying.
And I agree that filming wasn’t appropriate, presumably there would have been a lot of boys in there that weren’t bullies.
Anyway, I think there is a lot more to this story than what is in the article. So us from the outside, it’s just conjecture. The scoreboard made a decision on what they thought was going to keep kids safe. And their decision was to suspend kids they perceived as being bullies.
The problem is that it boils down to not wanting trans kids to exist. You have a trans boy, presenting as male, blocked from the boys locker-room.
Care to guess what would have happened if they tried to use the girls locker room as all the righties are demanding?
Say you’re in the womens restroom and Buck Angel walks in because he’s legally blocked from using the mens room, imagine the reaction.
It’s not about which bathroom is the “right” bathroom. They don’t want trans people to have the human right to use ANY bathroom.
The cruelty is the point.
Think about you HS days. Did you ever here a boy say “I am feeling uncomfortable” and not being sarcastic. and acting suprised… it was march. They knew who the person was. They were calling it out to be mean and make the person uncomfortable or even afraid. They were trying to build momentum and to get others to join in the harassment.
Did you ever here a boy say “I am feeling uncomfortable” and not being sarcastic. and acting suprised
I’m actually going to believe that one is ‘genuine.’ It’s amazing how quickly people begin acting in over-exaggerated ‘civility’ when a phone or camera is in obvious sight.
Agree to disagree. Kids these days are used to phones being everywhere, and at the time he said it, the vid is black. They were probably not holding it in an obvious recording hold, so they could get the real treatment on tape. We would need a HS teacher to break the tie though.
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Can we not do the “boys should be grateful” thing please? It’s one step away from “Niiiice” and two away from “An erection is consent”. It’s not particularly helpful yo reduce a transmasc to “a person with a vagina” either.
My mistake. You’re absolutely right.
you’d have been happy with one of the popular girls walking in mid change and seeing your shriveled little cock pre-shower?
that’s kinda weird tbh
Of course they are because cruelty is the point.
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I’m surprised they even noticed, trans men don’t tend to exist to these bigots
They were going to cause a problem no matter what the outcome was. Ignore.
