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Where is it illegal to sleep in your car?
almost everywhere in the USA.
Here in Statesia we built “rest stops” on the side of the Interstate were you could stay overnight but have to move on. They’re wonderful on a 5-day roadtrip, but if you have to live in your car, they’re a reliable toilet, maybe water and one night’s decent sleep i guess? I don’t know, I’ve never thought about it in depth. They always seem too far from civilization here to be any use to the unhoused.
having been homeless, yeah rest stops basically only exist to make getting from one unwelcoming town with a gas station to another a little more comfortable for people with somewhere to be. we have built our hatred of the nomadic cultures of north america into our hatred of the poor. or more accurately, we hate the poor and then define the poor by the qualities we seek to enforce. because the thing to understand is that the people whose land we stole and the people who we stole from their land to make this country weren’t poor until the aristocracy redefined them as being poor
Well put. The indigenous people in America were anything but “poor”.
If we go a little further south and look at the Aztec, they were basically the wealthiest nation in the world at the time. Even by European standards. Reading primary sources from the first Europeans encountering them makes this really clear.
The US government not only redefined the indigenous people as poor, but fucked their material conditions to the point where redefinition was no longer necessary.
America
Lots of countries in Europe.
In mine for example.
Really?
I live in Europe and have a van and have been using that parking for the past 4 years and have never had any bother.
Which EU countries are you referring to?
Also to camp on public land? You can on most public property in Ontario as long as you move your camp 100m every 21 days.
Almost no public land in a lot of countries. pretty much everything is owned by someone in the UK
US national forests have a similar rule. It’s called “dispersed camping.” The issue is, there aren’t many national forests. Especially on the east coast, most land is owned by someone, and even state/federal land is rarely a national forest, and nothing else has this rule as far as I’m aware.
FWIW basically the entire state of Nevada is public land and dispersed camping is allowed for 14 days in a given spot.
That being said Nevada is an absolute wasteland with no water or other natural resources so it’s kind of a hard place to exist in general.
You can in state and national parks in the US too… If you’re sneaky about it, or if you pay a lot fee
If you move the car every day it should be fine anywhere in the EU*, but that in itself can be pretty annoying if, say, you’re trying to keep a job.
If not, there’s all sorts of regulations about where and when. IIRC there is no distinction made between cars that are made for sleeping in and those that aren’t. But there is a distinction between parking it and living in it.
Personal experience: if you choose your place carefully you’re good for at least a week. OTOH, that was a while ago.
* I just remembered that touristy places might not be fine, as happened to me in Holland.
Yeah that’s why I’m asking, I’ve got a van. Not a coach-built moho, just a SWB white van.
Have been driving that around Spain, and when driving back to the UK, several other EU countries and I’ve never had a knock or been questioned by the pigs or even disgruntled locals.
I have seen loads of mess left by other campers, which will be the root of the problem and we all get tarred as a result
So your experience tracks with mine, and my van did have windows and was clearly recognizable as a mobile home 👍
The legal situation differs from country to country but I’m pretty sure in Germany it’s not per se illegal to sleep in your car, whether it’s a mobile home or not, but there’s a load of exceptions to that.
I used to work for a guy every other weekend, during which time I parked 2 nights next to a cemetary because it was the best spot in that village. Never a problem. IIRC the police even came once, I explained the situation, they said OK and left again.
It’s often not, but people do report it. It’s just such an asshole mind set
Under the “loitering” you are not allowed to stand on the sidewalk. Act of homelessnes itself is illegal.
Unless the tent is surrounded by trash and broken pipes
I might be homeless, but I still have standards goddammit
Eh… Thats tricky…
I would try and see if someone could do a wellness check, but call a local clinic that deals with that. Dont start with the cops, there is a much higher chance to only make it worse.
Cops? Nah.
Maybe in a state park the park police (rangers), but they’d still have to be pretty blatantly disgusting. I’m just a man with a sixth grade education who loves nature
No, but I will report assholes that are street racing or obviously impaired drivig.
well, yeah. those are people who are endangering innocents and making society worse
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Lemmy users wouldn’t donate a dime or volunteer a minute of their time but they will shit post about telling other people it’s okay that crackheads fill kids parks with needles and steal from business in the community.
I’d like to see one of these posts you’re referring to in which someone says “it’s okay that crackheads fill kids parks with needles and steal from businesses in the community” because you’re the only one I’ve ever heard say that.
This one. Most police aren’t called because there’s a tent in the woods. It’s when the garbage piles up, needles end up in the park and cars and homes get broken into.
But that’s not what this post is about - you brought that hypothetical into it.
I don’t think it’s far-fetched to say that some people like to call the cops or the manager just because they see something they think is illegal - even if it doesn’t bother them.
I’m sure there’s a specific term for the fallacy you’re committing there.
But that is. It’s integral to the issue. If that part is just ignored then there are serious issues here. Missing that critical understanding means this post is just about dividing a wedge between people on the left who have absolutely no risk or skin in the game vs people who do. It’s simple for someone with no kids living downtown to say ‘just ignore it guys’ vs someone with kids who doesn’t want their kid walking past an unmedicated schizophrenic everyday on their way to school. People don’t generally call just because there’s a tent. It’s when the tent becomes 4 or 6 or 12 and the problem grows. Ignoring all that is no different than right wing media spreading their bullshit to push the right into their own radical lane.
Lemmy is r/the_donald.
Honestly please just try to see if you can see it. I think if we all believe the right changed in 2016 from online activity like IRA then why are people so blind you that on the left. The focus has shifted. It’s the left turn now.
I would advocate for tax dollars to go to helping homeless any day. I fully support community support and anything to help. At the same time I don’t feel comfortable treating homeless like they’re cute Disney animals in the forest and infantilizing them. They don’t just sit in their tent playing cards all day.
Fuck me, your prejudice really shows.
I repeat: you made it about something else. Please make a post about it and discuss it there. If anybody is driving a wedge (I assume that is what you wanted to say) here, it is you.
No it isn’t. You’re the r/the_donald
calls Lemmy the_Donald. advocates against the homeless. well trolled, milord. missed an opportunity to work in a joke about clearing them out with the national guard, but otherwise a 10/10 untouchable cretin
whatever scary thing you’re worried they’re going to do, it’s because of this attitude that they should be, what, finished off? crushed the remainder of the way? that creates enemies where there were none
Who is finished off
It literally does not say that.
Right because it’s propaganda. It’s purposely vague and general to mislead and create division about perceived serotypes and in vs out group think.
stfu
When they know it’s true this is the response
Idk i have a pretty good track record of saying stfu to assholes and most of them get banned in the end
That’s because you love a good echo chamber. This is why you think it’s okay to call people assholes and then love when mods censor people you disagree with. Again r/the_donald would agree with you. Fascists would also agree.
Zzzz
😆 you literally wrote Zzzz. Big mad
Zzz
WTF is THIS ignorance??? Found the festering cunt!
You know what I just realized where I am. So fuck it. Didn’t realize there was a whole propaganda sub to push the left into radical territory. There’s nothing to discuss here that’s with the time. Also fuck off. I’m tired off the left getting behind shit like ignore stealing and people putting tents up when there’s clear evidence of risk.
Oh, a sad, weeping cunt? Still a cunt though, but learn to cope, hey?
Yes you are. Listen to you
Oh look. A fetid, sad cunt with half a wit ! Goes with the smooth, shiny half a brain, I suppose.
Bahaha fucking hack
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The left used to be about social programs because it led to better outcomes and society for everyone. They weren’t just anarchist masked as leftist. But since we’re all about the fringes now it makes sense you all are the r/the_donald of the left. Same shit
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No both are fucked. But again, you like the r/the_donald users are fringe and view things as this black and white. You can’t own it anymore then they can. You’re the same
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I don’t care about the last two, but t ⛺ in woods is a problem for me. At some point my wife wasn’t able to go to local park because of hobos living there. It took just one of them chasing her while naked and high to sour the whole thing. So yeah I report.
That totally happened.
If you think it didn’t, then I envy you. But I’m not surprised. People that proselytize hobo worshipping over here don’t actually have to deal with the reality of the situation.
2022?
Yeah, I’m not very creative
