Considering how much of our existence is online these days, it seems like denying people the means to participate is almost like denying their right to exist.

I’d like to see a world where everyone has the capability to shape this digital space in a fair and accessible manner.

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    No. Access to clean air, drinkable water, healthcare, and a fair living wage are more important and should come first.

    Maslow’s Heirarchy of Needs

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      So, if the air is never cleaned to your standard, nobody else can ever have anything else? You didn’t put food in there. Food stamps not on your list? Maslow’s Heirarchy of Sandwiches?

      What if you need the internet to order sandwiches? Or potable water? Or to get education? Or pay your bills? Or for easy government communication? What if you need to coordinate people to clean the air? Your phone is the internet for most people. You gonna use your rolodex instead? lol. Your paper address book that you wrote everyone’s name and phone number in? lolo. Maybe the white pages? lolol. Telegram? lololol. Candygram! hahahahah.

      Fuck you, we need the fucking interwebz.

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        No fuck you. Just because you are rude and i imagine you are not traditionally good looking and have bad body odor. Im also sure most of your friends just tolerate you and your friend circle would function just fine without you.

        Your points are valid though and i understand where you are coming from.

        I would just want to point out that things like water, health care and education are more important human rights than access to internet and by that i mean those are things society should make sure are available for everyone, even those who for some reason have no acces to internet.

        If providing internet to everyone is the most cost effective way to make sure everybody has access to more important things that are critical for survival it should be provided, but i dont think internet in its self is neccessity for live.

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        Your emotionally charged response to something you disagree with is quite characteristic and telling. Internet connection vs. air, water, food, and shelter: I would rather breathe than engage with trolls like yourself online via my Internet connection. If you’re smarter or more prominent than Maslow, publish and justify your own needs model.

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    I would argue the opposite, that the ability to participate in society without using a computer should be a right, and included with that should be a non-descrimination requirement as well. Shoving everyone into using a web form/app is not acceptable but it is a growing reality in too many private and public spaces (and also if I just want to quickly pay for parking why oh why can I not just shove cash or my card into a reader like you could for the last 30 years! No I don’t want your stupid app!)

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      So not only do I have to pay for parking I have to download a stupid app so you fucks can harvest my data and sell it later. Fucking greedy cunts.

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      You hit the nail on the head. As a society we can’t even agree that basic healthcare and education are human rights.

      Just pile access to the Internet on top, I guess. Sure, access to the Internet is a requirement for modern life. So is not dying from treatable diseases.

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    Information should be a utility, like water, phone or electricity.

    Ideally there should be publicly owned tier 1 ISP, but failing that there should be minimum standards of service provision like with other utilities.

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    Yes. But also, lets remember most countries are still in the kiddie pool of “is food a basic human right?”. So you know, dream big, but keep expectations in check.

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    Yes

    And also, the major internet services and social media platforms should be publicly controlled and owned like postal services, medical services, water services or waste services (I know most American services are private, even in Canada) but all these services should be publicly controlled without private interests because they are the basis of running and maintaining peaceful democratic norms.

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    Yes, but so should water, electricity, healthcare etc, so it doesn’t look like that’s happening

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    No. A year ago I would have said yes, but I’ve come to realize some uncomfortable truths.

    The Internet is dying, the parts that will remain are able to manipulate users, and actively doing so to create a global rise of distopian authorization surveillance states

    I think we can either have an underground Internet of technical minded people, or you get a weapon that will be used against the people

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      As the death of the Internet becomes more obvious, new technologies will spring up to replace it with a decentralized, non-commercial version. Already seeing apps coming out, like BitChat, that don’t use the internet at all.

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    I think internet is considered a human right in europe :3… I know that were multiple cases of countries getting called out for not allowing prisoners access at least

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    If not a basic human right, it should be something very close to it. Obviously things like privacy, food, clean water, medicine, education, and basics like that should come first, but having Internet and computer/phone access has basically become a necessity and should probably be treated like a basic human right at this point.

    Trying to apply for a job? Majority of places anymore require you apply online before you can even land an interview. Even then, there’s a chance you’ll have to do an online call for that interview.

    Need to do school work like writing an essay or any coding/programming? You sure as hell ain’t getting that done without a computer anymore and can’t always rely on doing it at school.

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    100% a human right. If you don’t have the internet today you kind of can’t exist easily.