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        u/Fluck_Me_Up · 2025-01-17 18:08:32 UTC · score 4

        I mean it’s in the name. Yeah they’ve got a weird form of state capitalism bolted on and I have no fucking idea what’s going on with Xi jinping thought, but they are about as close to communist as any country is, ideologically.

        It’s kind of like how we call ourselves a republic, but we’re not really represented by our representatives on the whole.

        Close enough eh?

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          u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark · 2025-01-17 14:54:24 UTC · score 2

          No, his point was the opposite.

          China stopped being communist decades ago because communism doesn’t work.

          They still call it communism, but it’s actually closer to Corporatism. Ish. Point is, they’ve got their own wierd hyper-authoritarian bullshit that defies conventional definition, but 100% is not communism.

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            u/thesoupoftheday · 2025-01-17 15:07:15 UTC · score 1

            No, they’re communists because they call themselves communists, just like every other communist country. What they have ceased to be is socialits.

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            u/Lyca0n · 2025-01-17 23:01:09 UTC · score 1

            You will worship the antidemocratic dentist utopia, true communism by 2050.

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            u/thehpcdude · 2025-01-17 15:08:39 UTC · score 2

            Communism does work, it’s just society today isn’t ready for utopian ideals.  In a post-scarcity era, everything will be akin to communism.

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              u/Dubaku · 2025-01-17 21:15:38 UTC · score 2

              If it can only work once we have infinite everything, why bother pushing for it now? At that point you are just demanding that we use a system that you know is destined to fail.

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                u/thehpcdude · 2025-01-17 21:26:55 UTC · score 1

                I am not demanding or pushing anything. I simply made a statement.

                Communism is not inherently doomed to fail; there are successful communist communities worldwide. Additionally, communism’s various forms mirror the diversity within capitalism and socialism. Labeling entire countries’ failures as purely due to communism oversimplifies complex social and economic issues.

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              u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark · 2025-01-17 15:15:35 UTC · score -2

              Communism objectively does not work, it is directly incompatible with human nature. It has literally never worked in any variation or interpretation. Every single one has collapsed, converted, or stumbled forward as a corrupt authoritarian hell before doing one of the former two.

              Post-scarcity utopia ≠ communism. Star Trek is not communist.

              Post-scarcity inherently renders all socioeconomic models obsolete. It would not be “akin” to communism, it would accomplish the claimed goal of it without any of its economic or governmental policies being necessary.

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                u/thehpcdude · 2025-01-17 15:24:43 UTC · score 2

                That’s your opinion that I do not share.

                Communism also works in very small interconnected communities and has worked successfully for generations in those communities in various forms.

                Your ancestors practiced a form of primitive communism, yet you are saying it has never worked.  Evidence does not support your claim.

                Communism does work and has worked.  It is just not compatible with the social era of today.

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                  u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark · 2025-01-17 17:25:53 UTC · score 1

                  insert Princess Bride “that word does not mean what you think it means” quote

                  Slapping the word “communism” on literally anything resembling cooperative socal groups doesn’t actually prove your claims, buddy.

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                u/dirtshell · 2025-01-17 16:17:20 UTC · score 6

                it is directly incompatible with human nature

                This is a belief you hold because you grew up with it and were raised in a culture that believed it as well. You’d be surprised to find that other cultures throughout time and the world have had very different opinions on this. I’d encourage you to challenge your beliefs from time to time.

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                  u/thehpcdude · 2025-01-17 19:48:34 UTC · score 1

                  I agree it’s super easy for a person to have a very closed view of the world if they only ever experienced a single culture. This is why he has the staunch opinion that he has, it’s like a religious person meeting an atheist for the first time or vice versa.

                  He’s also trying to control the narrative by giving broad well established examples while asking you to provide narrow scope specific examples. You’re just wasting your time.

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                  u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark · 2025-01-17 17:31:29 UTC · score 1

                  Buddy, giving the government unilateral power over logistics and economic processes does not jive with human minds.

                  “Oh but it’s actually unions running everyt—” Congrats, that’s still a government.

                  You cannot have any large-scale political body with that level of power and that little accountability. It simply never works.

                  You will never have a functional, ethical, and prosperous communist state. The only way for communist states to survive is through the oppression and exploitation of workers, which is the exact thing communism was supposed to solve.

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        u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark · 2025-01-17 14:51:51 UTC · score 1

        Why are people downvoting you?

        This is like, common knowledge at this point? China converted to capitalism decades ago because communism doesn’t fucking work.

        “Communism With Chinese Characteristics” is just Corporatist Capitalism with extra steps.

        Calling China communist is like calling Russia communist. Neither are communist anymore, because it doesn’t work. The former converted to capitalism, the latter collapsed and the successor state converted to capitalism.

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            u/dylanx300 · 2025-01-17 16:46:36 UTC · score -10

            No.

            When it comes to China they don’t do the ideal version of socialism that Marx wrote about so well.

            They’re more communist in that they heavily censor everything, surveil citizens every move and calculate their social credit score, restrict rights and freedoms, arbitrarily detain people, and they can compel ANY Chinese company to do whatever they ask without question.

            So not the pie-in-the-sky version of communism you’ll find in books but rather, you know, the real-world authoritarian version of “communism” which states devolve to every single time it is attempted/adopted.

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              u/Rock4evur · 2025-01-17 16:54:52 UTC · score 1

              There is no “pure” economic/political system they all exist in a spectrum. Thats why the supposed democracy I’m living in is forcing a media company to exit the US unless the world’s richest man who has a very clear political agenda buys it. Sure China may have started with the intention of being communist, but they have moved very very far away from that. At least the USSR had the Soviets for a while, there really hasn’t been any effort for workplace democracy in China. You are conflating authoritarianism and a command economy with socialism. Socialism has existed numerous times without the authoritarianism and a command economy, albeit shortly. For evidence you can look into the numerous maroon communities that existed through history like the one in “The Great Dismal Swamp, the Zapatistas, The Ukrainian Blacks etc.

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                u/dylanx300 · 2025-01-17 17:03:15 UTC · score 3

                My point is that every implementation of communism that humans have attempted, at least on a nation-state level, has proven to be highly unstable. Note how you concede that communism has existed without devolving to authoritarianism “albeit shortly”, and that’s exactly what I’m saying as well.

                Power inevitably ends up being abused and they all end up moving “very, very far away from that” in the same way that China did.

                If that is how every single implantation of “communism” has wound up, it’s hard to not call that the real-world equilibrium of communism. The ideals of Marx are incomplete, because communism is supposed to be more stable and equitable, so there must be a factor he missed which is toppling these systems over and over again (human nature). China, USSR, Venezuela, Cuba are examples. Are there any counter examples whatsoever at the nation state level where what I am saying is not true?

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                  u/Rock4evur · 2025-01-17 17:46:43 UTC · score 2

                  The same point was made about democracy after the Greeks and Romans failed to keep it going. Monarchies throughout Europe regularly used this kind of reasoning in response to democratic and constitutional movements within their countries and most of those failed initially and multiple times before we got to today where liberal democracies are the norm. Any form of government that utilizes hierarchy will be susceptible to power grabs and corruption and it’s the responsibility of the citizenry to maintain a culture that defies that. This is why I’m an anarchist and not a Tankie I think this movement has to start with changing attitudes and the culture from the ground up, trying to impose socialism from the top down with the way people are currently conditioned is very likely to fail.

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                u/Dubaku · 2025-01-17 21:19:41 UTC · score 2

                Thats why the supposed democracy I’m living in is forcing a media company to exit the US unless the world’s richest man who has a very clear political agenda buys it.

                The democracy voted for it though. I’m not sure what your point here is.

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      u/Drag0nV3n0m231 · 2025-01-17 19:09:23 UTC · score 3

      Well, not the freedom to be healthy cheaply, buy cheap food, or have homes but we’ll show them!

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      u/Orc_Mode · 2025-01-17 15:13:26 UTC · score 69

      You know arming the proletariat is rule number one for any kind of socialist revolution, right?

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        u/TheAmazingX · 2025-01-17 21:46:18 UTC · score 5

        For a revolution, yes, but not for a socialist state. There is no concept of individual liberty, only power, and an armed citizenry post-revolution no longer serves the equitable distribution of power, so it’s no longer good. That’s the context of the oft-quoted “under no pretext” - it’s a point of situational necessity, not a proclamation of self-evident rights.

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        u/gakflex · 2025-01-17 16:40:09 UTC · score 30

        Going by historical communist revolutions, disarming the proletariat appears to be rule number two

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          u/Zestyclose_Country_1 · 2025-01-17 22:51:21 UTC · score 8

          They always forget that part 🤣 america is one of the only places that has had a revolution and managed to keep acces to military weapons.

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            u/exudable · 2025-01-17 23:14:21 UTC · score 6

            I mean, barely. When you have 25 different stamps and an become SOT/FFL you can own military weapons as long as you pay the gummament and obide by all the rules and regulations and keep them in a lockbox at nearly all times and notify the state if you’re leaving and ya know some other stuff. If you call that keeping access then I guess we are splitting hairs.

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              u/Zestyclose_Country_1 · 2025-01-17 23:34:48 UTC · score 2

              Ya you are lol because I wasn’t even talking about class 3 stuff. I can walk into pretty much any sporting goods store and walk out with an ar15 in like an hour. That is a military grade weapon. Sure, it can’t shoot full auto, but with minor mods you it can be made full auto and tbh I don’t think full auto is all that important. In untrained hands full auto is a good way to waste ammo

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                u/exudable · 2025-01-17 23:41:11 UTC · score 4

                A lot of the guns in those stores aren’t even milspec. But though it might seem minor, having the select fire is what makes it a military weapon. That and the mil spec machining. I know a few gun stores that sell mostly commercial spec weapons. And right now we are on a state to state basis where the statement could be true or false anyways lmao. I don’t think having to break down a gun to remove a magazine is very military esque. I’d say it’s closer to 50/50 on a fact sheet of whether we have access to military guns. Burst fire is also a great alternative to rapid fire.

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                  u/Zestyclose_Country_1 · 2025-01-17 23:56:56 UTC · score 2

                  Ehhhhh im not disagreeing with you but im sure you wouldn’t be saying that if you were a south American having to use a zip gun to fight fully equipped soldiers you’d be saying fuck i wish i could go to big 5 and get an ar15 🤣

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                  u/exudable · 2025-01-17 23:45:32 UTC · score 3

                  Freedom is freedom not a matter of appeasing people with standards they’ll accept. Full Auto isn’t the only thing you have to jump through hoops for and pay tax stamps on, SBRs and other NFA items as well. You can’t even make that argument for suppressors lol.

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        u/luftgitarrenfuehrer · 2025-01-19 04:57:18 UTC · score 2

        And disarming the proletariat and shooting all the active revolutionaries is rule number one of the post-revolution stage.

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        u/Successful-Pirate300 · 2025-01-17 14:07:30 UTC · score 38

        You should watch the Trinity series spaghetti westerns. Italian Comedy from the 70s and they are my favorite westerns .“They Call Me Trinity” your comment reminded me of em

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          u/shadowsoze · 2025-01-17 15:10:30 UTC · score 14

          Also i swear to god that movie always makes me want to eat beans, i don’t know what it is but they look good, even if he does say they weren’t that good.

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      u/HeemeyerDidNoWrong · 2025-01-17 16:17:32 UTC · score 38

      Howdy, my name is Rawhide Zhao. I’m a 27 year old Chinese Chinamerican (western culture fan for you foreigners). I brand and wrangle cattle on my ranch, and spend my days perfecting the craft and enjoying superior American passtimes. (Barbeque, Rodeo, Fireworks) I train with my branding iron every day, this superior weapon can permanently leave my ranch embled on a cattle’s hide because it is white-hot, and is vastly superior to any other method of livestock marking. I earned my branding license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day. I speak English fluently, both Texas and Oklahoma dialect, and I write fluently ias well. I know everything about American history and their cowboy code, which I follow 100% When I get my American visa, I am moving to Dallas to work in an oil field to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become a cattle wrangler for the Double Cross Ranch or an oil rig operator for Exxon-Mobil! I own several cowboy hats, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to America, so I can fit in easier. I rebel against my elders and seniors and speak English as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond. Wish me luck in America!

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        u/nuker1110 · 2025-01-17 21:47:10 UTC · score 12

        Based copypasta rewrite.

        And before anyone says anything to the contrary, Texas and Oklahoma absolutely have dialect differences. I live in Texas and have family up Oklahoma way, and I can’t understand half of what they say half the time.

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      u/goneskiing_42 · 2025-01-17 14:09:56 UTC · score 74

      China accidentally becoming cowboys with assault rifles and voting rights isn’t what the United States is ready for

      To the contrary, I think we’re very ready for that. It would reduce geopolitical tensions considerably if China became more culturally similar to the USA.

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          u/goneskiing_42 · 2025-01-17 14:35:57 UTC · score 23

          Manufacturing will just keep moving to the cheapest location as the pay and standard of living improves in each area and the free market will keep lifting people out of extreme poverty like it has been doing.

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            u/teakettle87 · 2025-01-17 21:00:55 UTC · score 4

            Yes, that was my point. If you or anyone else saw my comment as literal and not as sarcastic then shame on you.

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        u/glitchhog · 2025-01-17 14:30:12 UTC · score 28

        As an Australian, I’m all for it. China is our biggest trading partner, and the more US-like China becomes, the better for everyone imo.

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          u/moblechatter · 2025-01-18 04:24:17 UTC · score -9

          China is embracing freedoms? Brother wtf are you talking about? They have civs with fully autos over there… not even FRT but legit full auto. The Chinese have more freedom than yiur average American? Jesus bro wake up.

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            u/CodeNCats · 2025-01-18 11:52:49 UTC · score 2

            Don’t be of certain religious groups or you’ll have your organs harvested

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            u/Retb14 · 2025-01-18 05:37:39 UTC · score 6

            Got any evidence for them having full auto? Or guns in general?

            On the other 3 points

            Healthcare - sure they can afford it, if you ignore the millions that are too poor for it or get taken advantage of have unnecessary or even harmful procedures given to them so the hospital can make some extra money. And that’s assuming they even go to a hospital and don’t just try to make some ancient pill using fake ingredients they were told was real.

            Houses - so just going to ignore the collapse of the majority of their real estate companies because they were over expanding and using the money they got from selling unfinished buildings to build more buildings instead of paying off their loans.

            That’s also ignoring the massive number of homeless.

            Unless you are talking about the people who live in rooms that are the size a bed and two beds wide. Then I guess it’s affordable.

            Cars - are you talking about the cars that break down in less than 5 years? Or maybe the electric cars where the company that sells them doesn’t tell you that you don’t own the battery until you pay off the car then software locks the battery to less than half of it’s capacity until you pay them even more money? Or are you talking about the self driving cars that run red lights and crash all the time? Maybe the ones that get software updates while people are driving and it stops the cars in traffic for over an hour?

            Kinda crazy that their cars are so much better but Chinese people are still buying foreign cars. I wonder why that could be.

            As for having more freedom, why don’t you go there and talk about tiananmen square or how shitty the government is or the massive deflation that’s currently happening?

            Oh wait, if you did you would disappear. Forgot about that point.

            Also for your original point,

            Unless you have a hunting license or are part of a very small minority you can’t own any firearms.

            The punishments include 3 years in prison for possession and execution for using a gun in a crime.

            (This also includes most airsoft guns too btw)

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_in_China

            So yeah, keep talking about how “free” China is.

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              u/moblechatter · 2025-01-18 05:55:45 UTC · score -8

              Damn what are you? A Langley employee? All of your novel is bunk. They have less homeless than we do. “Go talk about T square hur dur” bro we have shit we don’t like to talk about too. The MOVE bombing, Tulsa massacre, remember Snowden or how the FBI cleaned up Epstien Island the night before the on the books raid? So many other things. Blah blah blah anyway here is the gun content

              http://xhslink.com/a/VxkFf5AquS13

              http://xhslink.com/a/CAzgky4PPS13

              http://xhslink.com/a/EGuonRNfnT13

              http://xhslink.com/a/RgjB6CRnTT13

              I can find a lot more.

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                u/Retb14 · 2025-01-18 06:14:29 UTC · score 3

                You have never actually been there outside of the tourist areas if you’ve been there at all have you?

                There’s a lot of propaganda that makes it look good but actually going there and seeing it is different. It’s shit, everyone tries to scam you, food vendors use fake ingredients or dyes and hazardous chemicals to make food look better and hide rot, and in several places there’s massive numbers of homeless living under overpasses and anywhere they can. I saw more homeless there than I have seen in Seattle or New York. They have less homeless my ass. Maybe if you only go off their official numbers.

                Maybe you should follow your own advice? Go there and learn what it’s actually like outside of the areas that are spruced up for tourists.

                Also last I checked I won’t get arrested or disappear for talking about anything that happened in the US.

                Why don’t you go there and ask about the school kid that “fell” off the roof after being bullied? Or maybe the thousands of people who protested the school after and see how they are doing? Maybe they have heard from the kids uncle?

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                  u/moblechatter · 2025-01-18 06:16:48 UTC · score -4

                  Tell me why they would have posted propaganda to fool westerners before we invaded their space

                  Think man, think.

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        u/BadManParade · 2025-01-17 16:53:59 UTC · score 6

        During the election they claimed Elon’s old English MAGA hat was a nod to Nazism because the Nazis used old English in pamphlets sometimes 😂😂

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          u/Wolffe_In_The_Dark · 2025-01-17 19:54:33 UTC · score 3

          I mean. Elon is definitely Nazi-adjacent given his posts and the people he had unbanned.

          So they’re right, just for the completely wrong reasons. After all, Elon is not nearly clever enough to make a reference that subtle.

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          u/Just2LetYouKnow · 2025-01-18 07:45:54 UTC · score 2

          I don’t believe you, I think that’s a made up headline from some z-tier nonsense shit site you know better than to take seriously.

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          u/digestedbrain · 2025-01-17 17:28:34 UTC · score 11

          That’s silly since you could point to the Nazis he interacts with and retweets to use to point out he’s a Nazi instead.

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      u/Scout339v2 · 2025-01-17 17:23:59 UTC · score 9

      In the post it even said it wasn’t about that, Nikolai Romanov’s theme is USSR scientist. Which I find quite funny because that era there was a lot of crazy experiments.

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        u/OnePastafarian · 2025-01-17 17:45:01 UTC · score -7

        Then he shouldn’t have used an inherently political image. If posted a picture of the color purple, then said this post is not about the color purple, most reasonable people would probably think I’m being disingenuous.

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    u/gun_runna · 2025-01-17 12:51:55 UTC · score 306

    With all the firework manufacturers I imagine they could improvise ammo too. They already have Glock switches.

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      u/GuardDenver · 2025-01-19 07:01:49 UTC · score 1

      You mean cody’s rambling shotgun pleading that doesn’t actually allege a violation of ITAR?

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      u/Spice002 · 2025-01-18 08:40:48 UTC · score 1

      Wait, what is this lawsuit over? The only ITAR related one I know about was whether or not CAD files were susceptible to ITAR and EAR regulations.

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        u/Wooperisstraunge · 2025-01-17 13:19:45 UTC · score 92

        Yep, it’s actually by fedcad too. The whole page on their site is them accusing gatalog of some crazy shit

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          u/GuardDenver · 2025-01-19 07:02:39 UTC · score 1

          Me when I’m losing a copyright lawsuit badly: “it’s time to make up some counterclaims!”

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        u/GuardDenver · 2025-01-19 07:04:05 UTC · score 1

        Just cody wilson being extremely mad about how he talked himself into a whole lot of copyright violations. His response, naturally, was to file a poorly-constructed countersuit.