I’m so fucking tired of that spin.
It’s like a restaurant owner who offered a crappy menu of poorly cooked food that nobody wanted in the first place blaming the restaurant’s failure on the people who refused to eat there.
It is specifically a Dim Sum restaurant, and the DNC rolled out the same shitty cold unwanted dim sum on the carts with a side of Liz Cheney to try and make it appetizing to Maga chuds.
Maga chuds don’t go to dim sum restaurants and your actual patrons don’t want cold shit and Liz Cheney. No wonder your restaurant gets voted last place in a two person race.
… Except the alternative was someone shitting on all of the food in the county.
Which is exactly why the Democrat establishment should’ve done a better job of appealing to voters.
The option being “not a fascist” should have been enough for people. But looks like people don’t have any sense of self preservation.
Except the ones that they cook at home, so they just stayed in.
Your analogy would be better in Australia where voting is compulsory.
The ones that stayed home still get shit in their food
You may not pay attention to politics but politics sure will pay attention to you.
And I’m so fucking tired of this “both sides” nonsense.
When the choice is between a politician you don’t like and a fucking fascist, the choice is clear. Well it should be. But there are people upset that there are “no good choices” so they just let the worst happen. No sense of self preservation, just complain that the choice that wasn’t fascism wasn’t good enough. It should be enough that it prevents fascism, but here we are, with people like you.
No, this is like there being two items in the menu, one that you don’t love and one that will poison you, and people have a hard time deciding for some reason.
a politician you don’t like and a fucking fascist
Holocaust Harris was also a fascist
Am I so out of touch? No, it’s the children who are wrong.
She’s talking up Hillary’s mantle, and that woman couldn’t put a sock in it for 40 years, while also thinking she was clever for getting Don on the ballot, nevermind worshipping at the altar of Kissenger.
“People didn’t want to vote for me” isn’t the defence you think it is
The democrats snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
It was their apathy that allowed Trump to go unpunished. It was their decision to run Biden again, breaking a promise and preventing democratic primaries to find the best candidate. It was their decision to muzzle Walz. It was Kamela’s decision to nuzzle up to conservatives in hope of getting their votes. It was their call whether or not to investigate Trump and Elon for fixing the polls.
Trump is a horrible person and politician. However, his sheer aggressiveness comes off as more genuine than the fairweather triangulation that the Democratic leadership loves so much.
We need dedicated progressives, not halfhearted centrists. People who give a damn.
Maybe, just maybe, the Democrats will someday realize that political parties are supposed to stand for something other than “what are you gonna do, vote Republican?”
If people didn’t vote for you, it’s because you didn’t appeal to them. Don’t blame the voters for not liking the shitty options presented. Actually represent the people, not the donors and consultants, and you might get some traction.
Infrastructure, student loan forgiveness, improving economy, sane leadership that doesn’t result in almost daily headlines about the next worst thing happening, environmental stewardship through green energy initiatives, opposition to the Palestinian genocide…
None of that was enough? Had to go full MAGA, huh?
If that was her platform she would have won the election
Ah yes, I definitely went full MAGA.
No, I voted for her, just like I always vote for the Dems. But I also understand why she lost, and the Democratic party’s tendency to blame the voters rather than self-reflect is exactly why we’re in the situation we are.
who did you vote for?
Kamala, begrudgingly. Just like how I voted for Biden and Clinton. I live in a swing state, so I felt like voting tactically mattered.
This is lemmy and you better blame the voters that were empathetic to Palestinians undergoing genocide or else. >:(
You can’t honestly think Palestine would have been worse off under Harris. Trump has put zero pressure on Israel and has plans to turn the Gaza strip into a resort for the ultra rich
the beatings will continue until morale for the neoliberals improves.
Everything I said was true.
https://factually.co/fact-checks/business/trump-gaza-resort-proposal-5139fd
Is this what you non-voted for? Marching the rest of the Palestinians into the desert and building a golden theme park on what remains of their graves?
How can she be this tone deaf? No one wants to hear from you, Kamala. Not the time. We’re dealing with the fallout of your horrid campaign.
I regret my Kamala vote (moreso my faith in her leading up to the election) more every day, and I am in despair over this administration.
lol
I love this take. “I regret voting for the person who wasn’t a fascist, I wish I had actually voted for the fascist. Real Lemmy Leftists™ like me don’t vote for democratic candidates and neither should you, zealous support for Trump is the only real way to bring down those evil Centrists!!!”
oooh~ so smart. No, I wasn’t going to vote for Trump. Nothing I said supported Trump. I specifically said I dislike this administration; yet Clearly backing Center-Right Biden and Kamala didn’t work, because it plunged us Back into fascism. Now, if you’d like to contribute something to how we could have avoided a Trump presidency, you can join me on what I’ve been spiraling on for the last year. Otherwise, keep it to yourself.
B…but muh GenocideJoe.
Centrists look at both sides of the mirror and find the middle ground between reality and a black void.
Losers blame everything but themselves.
She’s RIGHT! If ONLY people Had SOMEONE to Vote for Trump would have LOST!
Why doesn’t she fight along people against Trump ruining the country?
People didn’t vote for her, nothing she can do now. They’ll just wait for the next election, sorry.
Yes she can protests with other like bernie and aoc does
She could be vocal. Leadership matters even if they aren’t in office. Instead, she’s milking her book deal. That’s what has me turned off to her.
fucking book tour. of course.
So I want to point out something interesting in the comments to this post:
There are two different segments of the comments, with wildly differing consensus views revealed in one segment versus the other (if you look at the votes). There’s the top three comments (at least as it shows up to me), who think Kamala Harris is a big meanie liberal who deserved what she got and why isn’t she helping us with Trump now. Then there’s the whole rest, where there’s actually a strong consensus along the lines of this:
Sore loser
Politicians aren’t athletes. She didn’t lose. The American people chose Trump. The American people lost.
… where the top comment is mildly downvoted, and the reply is heavily upvoted.
It is weird to me that there are two strata to it. I have a theory for why that is, but I am sometimes out of my mind, so I will simply point it out and that it’s weird.
What?
Just me? Maybe so. That’s what it looked like to me, though.
It really isn’t clear what you’re saying at all. Just spit it out.
Lemmy is astroturfed by Russian and Chinese agents whose mission is to sow discord and harm America. Trump harms America.
When you view Lemmy comments on political posts through this lens, the reality of the situation becomes clear.
You know we’re cooked when even the liberals have embraced fascist conspiracy theories about all of America’s problems being the fault of perfidious foreigners corrupting our otherwise pure nation.
Yes, you are correct, that is definitely exactly what that person said.
It is, yes.
Yeah, pretty much. I’ve observed them getting confused before and letting it slip that they’re not American. Usually the evidence is pretty circumstantial (even when it is less wildly speculative than I was talking about in this comments section) but sometimes it is honestly pretty unambiguous.
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Kamala is a lot of things, but she is not a liberal. I can have honest disagreements with a principled liberal, but the Democratic establishment abandoned liberal principals long ago.
Hey @anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com – remember when I said that “liberal” was basically a poisoned word at this point because it means so many different things to so many people that it often just causes confusion to even introduce it?
This is a pretty good example. I tried telling you that most modern Democrats are center-right conservatives as opposed to “liberals,” and long story short you didn’t like that. So just now I tried out applying the term using the modern “US politics” definition, where Democrats are “liberals,” and now I’m all of a sudden in a what-words-mean-what-things conversation with this person. The original substance that we were talking about is forgotten.
@tinidril@midwest.social for what it’s worth I actually agree with you here. I don’t even know enough about Kamala’s policies to be able to weigh in on where she stands, but if I had to guess I would say she is probably a center-right conservative and not a liberal. But as soon as someone says that, there’s a whole new crop of people for whom “liberal” means “enemy,” and they will crop up to yell at you that of course she’s a liberal and how dare you try to defend her against that accusation, and so on, and so the conversation just becomes a big pointless argument filled with tribalism and accusations.
Of course, if that’s your goal, then using the word “liberal” is a pretty good approach.
I think it’s a mistake to apply any kind of principled philosophy to establishment Democrats. They aren’t left, they aren’t liberals, they aren’t conservative, they are careerest. If they believe in anything it’s competence, but with little discernment about what their competence should achieve. What they are is an elitist social club, and they see broader democracy as an inconvenience to overcome on the path to earning favor in that club.
Yeah, pretty much.
Kamala should have primaried. She was not who democrats wanted. We are sick to fucking death of democrats constantly sliding to the right to offer concessions. Start shutting shit down, throw tantrums, filibuster the fuck outta things. Its all MAGA understands.
The success of Mamdani in New York shows people appreciate someone who strongly opposes conservative policies instead of cozying op to them. Sure, New York isn’t the entire US but I really think someone like him has better chances then the “let’s just keep the status quo” politicians like Harris and Biden.
Yes, and what happened there? The democrats went crazy … because they are all mostly repackaged republicans.
I hate to say it, but she’s right. Trump was very clear about his plans. Anyone paying attention knew what was going to happen. Any sane person with a pulse would have won the election if the public wasn’t so apathetic, ignorant, and/or misinformed.
if the public wasn’t so apathetic, ignorant, and/or misinformed.
I don’t think all of the apathy is inherent. Some of that’s on her and the democratic party demoralizing their constituents. Yes, following game theory it is in their best interest to vote for the lesser evil and against the greater evil. I am politically active and I get that, so I voted.
Regardless, it still bothers me that a not insignificant portion of the Democratic party also knows this and takes advantage of this by coasting and doing the bare minimum. They seem more willing to spend their resources countering internal threats from progressives. It’s not easy to stay motivated to support a party openly hostile to your own values.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some of them would rather have a fascist opponent. Then voting comes down to, basically, vote for me because the alternative is fascism. How dare you question my policies (or lack thereof) or my soft stance our ally’s obvious genocide? I’m your only hope. Vote for me or else.
It only works for so long, then apathy takes over.
“I only lost the election because people didn’t vote for me” is so something anyone who lost an election can say and technically be “right”.
The only candidate that mattered was Trump. Literally any Democrat would be a better option.
It mattered that Democrats didn’t run a campaign that could actually win
What I am saying is the Democrats were irrelevant. It didn’t matter who they ran. It didn’t matter what their policy was. Not being Trump should have been enough to win by a landslide if people weren’t too misinformed or apathetic.
If you care about beating Trump, then whether the Democrats ran a campaign that could win is extremely relevant.
Not being Trump should
Ok, but it’s not.
Ok, but it’s not.
Agreed. That’s the interesting question to me. Why wasn’t it simply the decision between democracy and fascism?
Did people not see it in that perspective? Or did they see it that way but still choose fascism? Does that mean people don’t believe in democracy anymore? Or are they so convinced by propaganda that fascism is the only way to save us from an imaginary threat?
The reason matters because that determines what is needed to solve the problem.
Sore loser. Trump is the president righ now that’s the reality so you have two options you fight against Trump with people and you just shut the F up
Sore loser
Politicians aren’t athletes. She didn’t lose. The American people chose Trump. The American people lost.
Politicians are worst than athlete when it comes to being sore losers. She lost the election and instead of just accepting the result and participate in the fight to prevent Trump for continuing the destroy the democracy in the US she keep blaming other people for losing the election
she keep blaming other people for losing the election
Again you think she’s an athlete because that’s how the press frames it. An election is a contest of the people.
“Other people” are actually the ones that lost the election.
If you don’t like the term lose, fine. You just trying to create a fake problem. The reality is trump became the president and she didn’t. Instead of keep tqlking about the election that ended she keep complaning about it instead of fighting along people to protect democracy that Trump try to destroy. The reality is that she is just here to sell a book
Fight? Americans told her to go away. It’s Americans’ fault we have Trump. There’s nothing wrong with her telling you an inconvenient truth. You aren’t forced to buy the book.
Do you realize that she still an American living in the USA . Everybody should fight for their countries. Don’t cry if one day Trump goes full authoritarian and start jailing any opposition.
Also what the 48% of americans who voted for her should be punished too? They are not worth fighting for?
If she don’t want to join the fight she should just fall into obscurity as a ragular american
