Bro was being racist literally the moment he was shot
He was deliberately framing questions as accusations against trans and minorities. That’s pretty much the skill he employed besides dumping completely unrelated and inaccurate statements so quickly it prevented any concise rebuttal because it was so full of shit you didn’t know where to start.
His career started with him being racist, and it ended the same way.
Was at the bar this weekend. Ended up briefly chatting with a couple. The guy randomly says “How do you feel about Charlie Kirk being killed?” I knew I was dealing with an idiot at this point because who randomly brings up something like that at a bar with a stranger? I just cut to the chase and said “I’m not happy he was assassinated but I’m super happy he’s dead.” They immediately got all upset and flustered so I just said “Did you ever actually listen to him?” They stared at me blankly so I just got up and walked away.
No point in wasting time with dipshits.
I can’t wait for a year from now when Charlie Kirk will be utterly and completely forgotten.
I would have responded to that question by saying that ‘Charlie Kirk was a scumbag, his assassin is a 4chan nihilist groyper scumbag, and his widow is a scumbag’.
Queue family guy, who starts a conversation meme
I try to explain this phenomenon like this: for them racist just means “something absolutely bad which is not allowed”. So when they see someone they like or themself say something racist it can’t be racist because they are not bad and/or they are saying it without bursting in flames.
for them racist just means “something absolutely bad which is not allowed”
Which is where you get “Self-Hating Jews” and “Anti-White Racism” and “Men are the Real Victims” rhetoric.
In the end, its just another form of censorship (increasingly state-authorized), where “Racist” is a thing you can say to shut someone up, regardless of the actual content of the message.
And, in a way, they’re right. “Racism” is a political term with the ultimate intent to silence words and ideas that are distasteful and destructive to the social fabric. But then Being Racist is also a political act, intended to silence words and ideas that are distasteful and destructive to a racist polity.
it can’t be racist because they are not bad
“It’s not racism, its race realism” was the trope back in the '00s.
Before that, you had Charles Murray and “The Bell Curve”, which intended to re-introduce scientific racism through sociology and statistics.
Institutionalizing and propagandizing racism has been an ongoing project within the conservative movement straight back to the Plantation Era. Hell, back to the early Colonial Era. Racism as a heuristic and a rationalization for eugenics has been on the books for centuries. Worked great when the majority always qualified as “white” and you could paper over holes in your theory by importing new kinds of “white” people (Irish, Germans, Slavs, East Asian anti-communists, Cuban refugees) into the zeitgeist.
The big hang-up that modern white nationalists face is that they’re not the biggest swinging dicks on the global stage anymore. So how do you explain your racial superiority when Old World Europe has collapsed, the American economy is thick with non-white plutocrats, and the whitest corners of the country are increasingly mired in extreme poverty?
MAGA is the white nationalist’s effort to reinvent their corrupt failed electoral strategy as a fascist activist movement.
I live in a very gentrified part of my city and some security guards will still follow me around while they let white people freely walk around. And yet they always act shocked and insulted when I call out their racism. They couldn’t possibly be racists — not them!
If those things are racist then it means they were wrong and it could also mean they are a bad person for supporting such things.
That’s enough for the human to animorph into an ostrich.
“Never Explain. Your Friends Don’t Require It, and Your Enemies Won’t Believe You, Anyway.”
That’s the problem with the far right mindset. You can offer whatever factual and objective evidence you want and they just don’t care. They’re not going to read it and they don’t want their mind changed. Some say your should present the evidence anyway for others to see, but I’ve never seen anyone say, “I was reading this toxic argument and the one person totally changed my view based on the presented evidence!” The one thing I can say is that someone posting factual evidence is that at least those who do know and care understand they’re not alone.
I get where you’re coming from, have felt the same before, and would agree that it’s important to pick one’s battles. That said, I have 100% been the person you describe whose opinion on a topic was changed just because one person took the time to disagree and explain why.
In fact, since it’s often a thankless chore to counter a local consensus or hive-mind opinion using evidence or a well-constructed argument, I’ve come to really appreciate when anyone attempts to do so respectfully and in good faith, even if I’m ultimately not convinced.
WRT Kirk, there’s little room for nuanced opinions: one either knows nothing about him or takes his far-right christian nationalist and white-supremacist statements for what they are. Since fewer people will occupy that first category over time, attempts to reach them will see diminishing returns, so I think it suffices to just direct them to a reputable source re: his statements.
I have a similar philosophy, but framed a little differently: never argue with an idiot, because the best possible outcome is you’ll win an argument against an idiot.
So it’s more kind of “pick your battles”. Or, to widen the application beyond just discussion - always think “why am I doing this? What am I hoping to achieve?”
Also they are doing their best to delete all the shit he actually said because they want him known as a ‘free speech and open debate’ hero when he was an intensely hateful man who spent his entire life spreading hateful ideology that has done very real material harm to many, many people.
Show me what remarks you’re talking about please?
Bro we get it, you’re a racist as you keep responding back to valid criticism of the fascist Charlie Kirk. “But show me proof” angle is lazy when you could had googled it. Heck, your other comment is practically whitewashing what Nazi Kirk is saying through your own dog whistling interpretation:
I’ve been reading some of his speeches and at first I thought he was just a redneck racist but he’s not that at all. Find me some statements he has made that is racist please? Saying that black or any other group of people are not qualified for the job because of a law that says they must be hired because of their skin colour was wrong from the start. Only the most qualified people should be hired in a company if you want that company to compete on realistically with others. He never said anything about black or any other group of people just because they were/are black. Find me the racist remarks he has made please. Edit. I never knew the guy before his death.
Like please, go troll on Reddit or fuck off to whatever sleazy ass bumfuck area you live in
https://www.advocate.com/politics/charlie-kirk-anti-lgbtq-quotes#rebelltitem12
And that is just the anti-lgbtq shit. In terms of racism and women and women’s rights he was just as disgusting. His advocacy for repealing Row V. Wade also caused a tremendous amount of harm to many people.
I am not happy he was assassinated. But I am happy he is dead.
How come you never reply to the people who provide the examples you ask for?
People still talking about that nobody?! Forget him and move on to important matters like the Nazis regime shooting citizens and kidnapping Americans.
That is because in their mind, racism equals with racial prejudice with ill intents for the sake of evil. The moment you have some acceptable reason, be it some old “trauma” or statistics, all while you at least treat “the good ones” a little bit better, you’re okay.
A decade plus ago, I asked these kinds of people to describe what Hitler would have been. They all described a literal saturday morning cartoon villain doing evil for evil’s sake. They were shocked to learn the nazis spread the same greedy Jew stereotypes (among others) to justify their genocide they also believed in. Worst was one of my former history teacher, who said Hitler’s biggest crime was not presenting crime statistics to the population.
Conservatives believe in unequality, in an almost “corpo DEI” fashion celebrating it, except it boils down to stripping women’s rights because “motherhood is beautiful”, and collectively punishing blacks by letting the police to shoot them on sight for “suspicion of crime”.
Same shit I’ve been seeing all day in the comment sections related to the Framework / DHH racism thing. So many self reports; like yikes. They’re all realm emboldened to say the quiet parts aloud.
You know what they say, “if it steps like a goose…”
I’ve been reading some of his speeches and at first I thought he was just a redneck racist but he’s not that at all. Find me some statements he has made that is racist please? Saying that black or any other group of people are not qualified for the job because of a law that says they must be hired because of their skin colour was wrong from the start. Only the most qualified people should be hired in a company if you want that company to compete on realistically with others. He never said anything about black or any other group of people just because they were/are black. Find me the racist remarks he has made please. Edit. I never knew the guy before his death.
The fact that he sees a black person and is immediately suspicious of their qualifications is what is racist. I never went onto a plane and thought “I should check his license” when I notice that the pilot is black. It is the same behavior Trump displayed by wanting to check Obama’s birth certificate. He wouldn’t have mentioned it at all had Obama been white.
Assuming someone isn’t qualified because of their race/gender is racist. Take a class or two at your local junior college I suggest you start with ethnic studies specifically race gender and power. A Sociology, a political science civil rights course and history of black, native Americans and women might be helpful for your understanding this as well. Also, I work in an “elite” niche white male dominated field and the few minorities and women are by far the most qualified and held to a very high double standard because the white men have created a merit less nepotism situation or “good ol boy club”. This is actually extremely dangerous for the public but it will not change until there is regulation and government oversight.
Saying that black or any other group of people are not qualified for the job because of a law that says they must be hired because of their skin colour was wrong from the start
It’s racist because this is a completely false mischaracterisation of DEI.
It’s racist because it’s suggesting that you see a black person doing a job, they’re probably not qualified for it.
You’re a racist because you’re repeating and amplifying this racist bullshit in the full knowledge that it’s 100% driven by racist sentiment and calibrated to stoke racist attitudes. Now, please delete your account and never say or post anything like this again.
