“I want to publicly shame them into resigning, because they don’t wear masks for safety. They wear them because they know their neighbors won’t invite them to dinner anymore, that their children or their children’s friends’ parents won’t want them at a baseball game. They care about their personal lives, but not about their safety,” Skinner said in a telephone interview with EL PAÍS from the Netherlands, where he lives.
This is the way.
I genuinely do not consider that to be controversial.
Fascists should be afraid for their safety, as a general rule. When they’re not, it’s a problem. As we can see now.
For the record, fascists will always project that they are afraid for their safety. Playing the victim is how they gain power. When one of them is targeted, it doesn’t create fear to dissuade the rest, it empowers them to play it up for support.
The point is that we should MAKE them ACTUALLY afraid for their safety. If they’re playing victim anyways… make them actual victims.
As long as you accept that you are playing into their strategy to instigate a civil war which they’ve been working toward years, if not decades, sure.
Alternatively, we could opt to listen to experts on fascism, recognize the systemic issues that give rise to it (like economic instability and wealth inequality), make a concerted effort to address those concerns, win over the working class which the left has neglected for the last 60 years, and bring the temperature down for centrists thereby cutting off the primary weapon of fascism…
But we’ll probably do it the dumb way.
Edit: for the record, I’m fully convinced there are psyops going on here on Lemmy, and the people like you trying to push us further toward violence and civil unrest are either them, or useful idiots helping them.
It already is a civil war. One side thinks having the moral high ground means not having to show up.
What you’re suggesting is a shaky strategy for fighting standard GOP misbehavior two, three decades ago. Wake up and look around.
I’m not trying to be mean, but I do think you need to hear this: touch grass. This is a big deal to Americans, but it’s pretty much politics as usual for like 70% of the world. Recognize that the fact that we get to think it’s a big deal is part of our entitlement.
I get it, trump is testing limits, he’s got ICE rounding people up, he’s trying to deploy the military into states, he’s painting innocents as terrorists. And I’m telling you, it’s not popular. He doesn’t have the support to pull this off, he’s doing what he’s doing not because he’s strong but because he’s weak, desperate, and he knows it.
Right now, he desperately wants this to devolve into violence, because like any demagogue, he can’t be a functional politician, he can only fight invisible enemies. He’s trying to provoke a war in time for midterms. Don’t give him what he wants. Stand united in peace with the vast majority of people who don’t want this to continue.
MAGA is gaining ground against you every fucking day and has been for years with zero opposition.
People like you are the reason.
“I’m not trying to be mean.” 🤣 of course you’re not- you’re not capable of it. If you were, you might have a shot at being useful. I promise you nobody is horribly hurt by milquetoast “mean words” from a coward who won’t lift a finger to stop his neighbors from being kidnapped.
First off, Trump is one thing, but MAGA is losing ground. Source. As soon as trump entered office, the MAGA movement stalled and has started trending back down. This is because he’s been given the every lever, and as expected, he’s botching it.
Second, you’re interpreting what I’m saying in the way you want to hear it. Absolutely go protest, get naked and stand in front of a tank, douse yourself in oil and set yourself aflame on the whitehouse lawn, sound the alarm so that everyone hears through all the noise. And like always: defend yourself and those around you from criminals using whatever means you have.
But we are at the ideal time to appeal to MAGA. Look at all the Republicans breaking from him over the shutdown. MAGA is to the right what Occupy WallSt was to the youth before the rich steered it back to a left/right old/young thing. There are systemic problems, and people are seeing that targeting the “woke” isn’t going to solve it. They are soon going to be forced to demand working solutions. He can only blame Biden for so long.
Of course, nothing i say will convince some people. There are a class of horny idiots who desperately need to act on their frail emotions, give trump what he wants, and go out in the streets with MAGA to aggressively suck each other off. You are free to be in that group if you want, but know that you’re not helping anyone but yourself and the fascist movement. (Of course you and I both know that the only fingers you’re lifting are from your keyboard to downvote someone you disagree with 🤣).
There’s a reason why they hide their faces and want to hide their identities … they know what they are doing is wrong. They’re gambling on the idea that if their fascist government stays in place, they’ll be rewarded … but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society if no one knows who they are.
If what they are doing is justified, moral and can be easily defended, then they would have no need to hide themselves.
but if their fascist government fails, then they can go back to normal society of no one knows who they are.
It should be trivial for a theoretical subsequent competent government to identify these people, but I’ve just about lost all hope that anyone will face consequences for doing fascist shit.
If your police cover their faces, they are not doing good work.
Police have never existed to serve the populace, they solely exist to protect the capital of the wealthy.
The whole masked officers thing really got me wondering how society would respond to a Batman like figure. I don’t think I realized bofore the ICE raids how absolutely horrible the concept of masked superheros was for a free society, even after consuming some media that tried to focus on this issue, like the Watchmen.
Et tu, Phoenix Jones?
Ah, I wasn’t even really thinking of Phoenix, but excellent reference, and he sounds like such a mess. To be fair though, most of what I know about the dude is from “The Superhero Complex” podcast.
I feel like a lot of people knew who Phoenix was though, and so he was at least accountable for his actions in most cases. ICE appears to be acting in a way to purposely avoid accountability.
Those lists are important! We know how long it took to sentence SS members due to lack of such lists.
So you want to be able to sentence ICE agents to death?
I speak for most of the world here when I say, yes.
Right, so you want to execute US law enforcement personnel and defend foreigners instead?
Mate, just get gone. That shit doesn’t fly here, and you’re not going to change anyone’s mind.
Right, so unless you think ICE is literally the SS, you’re not welcome.
That’s the definition of an echo chamber.
Ice is literally the same kind of group as the gestapo yes
“Literally the same”
So they’re literally executing people? Or are they escorting them home because they broke in?
ICE isn’t law enforcement. It is Trumps private thugs. Much like the SS in Germany.
No, they’re literally law enforcement.
The “law” they’re enforcing is Trump’s edicts. Immigration law as it’s existed for some time doesn’t call for this kind of action. Trump doesn’t get to write law, that’s for the legislature. He’s there to carry out and enforce existing law, not create it, not reinterpret it, not ignore it, and CERTAINLY not to gaslight the American people about it.
The way Trump treats law is literally un-American.
So you think they’re comitting horrific crimes against humanity on par with the nazis then?
Nope but apparently a whole lot of folks here do.
They can quit anytime
And illegals can self deport at any time.
So if ICE doesn’t stop enforcing immigration law, then what?
Refugees can’t leave when they want. Otherwise they would not be refugees. Also, ice prevents people from even getting their papers on top of arresting citizens.
And why should I care about what a bunch of pigs do? They can get real jobs.
“Can’t leave”
They absolutely can.
They wouldn’t pass through multiple safe countries otherwise.
“Their papers”
That’s called asking permission and coming in legally. Not breaking in and then asking permission.
“Why should I care”
Yes, I can see you’re not a fan of enforcing border laws.
Those countries are often hostile to. And yeah, I don’t like law enforcement that ignores out constitutional rights.
“Constitutional rights”
What are the two legal exceptions to due process when it comes to deportations?
Obama used one to deport 2,000,000+’illegal immigrants without traditional due process.
“To death” was your own addition there. Way to reveal yourself.
“Own addition”
The comparison was to SS members.
Should they be spent to a day spa instead?
Ahh yes, the only two possible options…
Considering a bunch of people have said Yes, the death penalty? What should happen to “SS members”?
Dude, you’re really bad at this. Are you familiar with due process?
Are you?
There are two legal exceptions to due process regarding deportations.
Obama used 1 method to deport 2,000,000+ illegals with no due process.
Trump is using both.
If you picked up a history book, you would know there isnt much of a difference of functions in what ICE is doing versus the Gestapo back in WW2.
Way to reveal yourself
“Gestapo”
So the Gestapo escorted people out of the country who had broken in illegally?
Yes.
So that’s what the SS is known for?
Mass executing Jews isn’t the same as kicking out people who came here illegally.
Buddy you know that many many different things happened other than the killing of Jews right
Like the many years of buildup before that point. How can you people be this dumb lol
So deporting people here illegally is the same as killing Jews?
No, it’s not. But you really should take advice and pick up a history book. There are a terrifying amount of parallels with ICE and literally every single dictator’s secret police, not just the Gestapo.
What you remember from history is the endgame of this, and we’re not there yet. If you want to get the comparisons you need to read a little about how things got to the point where millions of Jewish people (and others, mind, it wasn’t only Jewish) were genocided.“ICE”
So ICE is executing millions of Jews? And sending people, who broke in, back home is the exact same?
Lick that boot harder.
We have plenty of videos naming and shaming cops who violate our civil rights, often times in deadly violations, and they’re all doing just fine and none of them faced anything more than sometime justice for the inhumane and civil rights violating actions.
It will be the same here, name, shame and make sure they never work in any position of power ever again.
ETA, yet another hours old troll account. To the block list you go.
So if they’re acting like the SS, you’re saying they should be executed, I would assume.
