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credit: smbcI’m still baffled about the expected outcome of replacing all content creation with AI for new events or ideas, like news articles.
If there are no humans to write the story first, where are the bots going to get the new information to plagiarize?
The expected outcome is internet collapse. The internet is a mass communication tool that allows bothersome peasants to organize and educate themselves if they are inclined to do so. Which means it must be destroyed.
The poor, disenfranchised, and uneducated are significantly easier to manipulate. So the goal of the 1% is to break society, eliminate the ability to educate, eliminate the ability to organize, and the use their near total control over mass media to assure everyone that they are better off under the thumb of the technocratic state.
That’s a good point. The internet collapse also helps this new age of " information capitalism" to spread even further: any information that you may seek will be behind a paywall or intermediate by an AI that you have to pay a subscription to access. In fact, that’s the best case scenario for all these AI companies: to kill free and reliable information.
He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.
This is not a conspiracy to destroy the internet. This is a tragedy of the commons. It doesn’t take many bad agents to ruin it for everyone. AI slop is so cheap and has the potential to make profit, so it’s a no brainer if you don’t have a better way to make money.
The only reason the AI companies are crying is because now they need humans in the loop somehow. They’ll need to source data from only known and verified real-person sources (like reputable news sites, magazines, personal blogs, and podcasts), manually verify data is not slop, and/or pay people to generate data for them.
Capitalism will kill civilization. We can’t escape it. If we tear it down, we go down with it. If we don’t, it will collapse under its own weight, and soon, and it will crush us all under the flaming rubble.
I know I sound all doomsday-y. Sorry.
Apart from being hit with what seemed like random ban hammers, that was one of the reasons I left Reddit.
It just seems so “the same”. Every comment chain is filled with the same predictable comments and they’re all predictably commenting on the same predictable content.
I hear lots of Lemmy newbies saying they stay on Reddit because of the user base in their niche communities. I hope those same people post or comment here a little bit in their niche instances before buggering off back to the black hole of bots.
I love that I can spot individual users again without tagging them.
I love the guy who uses that ye olde symbol instead of typing the letters “th”
This place is awesome because of the limited user base IMO. Very rarely have I been met with negativity here.
I joined Reddit in 2008. I saw it devolve year by year. When it got big enough, it attracted the attention of the capital. Then it quickly became a propaganda mouthpiece of the money. I had big subs on there, now I’m aggressively permabanned, every single account I’ve ever had, easily a hundred of them. If you don’t play along, you don’t belong, it’s become just another controlled media outlet. It will happen here too, as soon as it becomes big enough to become a problem, they will find a way. It’s extremely scary.
Who could have imagined the Illuminati were a bunch of pimplefaced billionaire nerds acting all out in the open.
It’s wild that most people don’t understand this is happening. And it’s being manifested in a Mafia type way.
I honestly have no hope for society. People really are ignorant and arrogant to the point that they are basically like farm animals.
Yep. That about sums it up. It’s a bit worse than that though, because they can also actively poison the AI and make it express more positive right wing sentiments too. For now that’s still a bit tricky, because the AI goes mecha-Hitler, but don’t worry, they will fix that glitch in the coming months.
It doesn’t even matter if it does a poor job. I see people scrolling endlessly, 24/7, they’re already zombified. The amount of people who can filter the bullshit or think critically about what they are fed online are in an extreme minority. It doesn’t matter for the ruling class if there’s some single digit percent of the population that don’t buy it, fooling most people most of the time is absolutely enough to rule absolutely.
Anyone else inhabiting a very dark mindspace lately? We should start a club.
Once Ai becomes Super Aware AI^TM then we will have no need for original stories…We just need a trillion more dollars of funding, all your power, fresh water, and for you to rewrite all intellectual property laws. Trust me bro, we are sooo close.
I swear tech bro billionaires forgot they were the ones who wrote the checks to the marketing department that dream this stuff up and have just been getting high on their own supply. The amount of people in silicon valley that actually believe AI is going to evolve into some version of the 40k Omni Messiah is too damn high.
I think it’s the greatest sunk cost fallacy the world has yet seen.
“We’ve poured trillions of dollars into this, and convinced a bunch of people it’s going to fundamentally transform humanity, so it MUST be a good idea!”
None of them want to be the first to admit that it was a bad bet.
Yeah, it just doesn’t make any sense. There hasn’t even been a legitimate scheme to make AI profitable in the long run. The only thing these idiots can dream about is cutting down labour cost at any conceivable level.
Like okay even if that were possible, we now have infinite cheap production but with no consumer demand?
Yeah…the whole thing is incredibly short-sighted, and that’s being charitable.
The capitalists have such a raging hard-on at the thought of not having to pay workers, they don’t want to listen to anyone who might give them a dose of reality.
The means of production are cannibalizing themselves, like the Lemongrabs in Adventure Time
A bad bet? It is earning them billions. Why would they stop?
Unchecked profit motive is what is going to destroy civilization- it already is. It already did. We are governed by a bizarre set of rules where aggressive competition is supposed to somehow bring about the best outcomes for humanity, which is just an absurd proposition, it’s all a racket, a game that has superseded rule of democracy and law, it is what controls every nation and every decision on the planet- the economy, profit, money.
It is about to great filter us.
Oh for sure some people are getting rich, but do you think openai will ever be profitable?
Someone’s got to be left holding the bag when the bubble bursts
That’s the thing that I wonder about. Like I know people who think all coding is going to be ai in the next couple of years. But where do they get data? Come up with better programs? Llama are, like you said, machines that just steal what’s already there. So if they are doing all the coding, we’re stuck right now? Nothing new or better?
Llama being the LLM corrected to is amazing
Why do you think they store and analyze everything you do on your computer, like when you use Windows? “Would you like a permanent spell checker that you can’t turn off make sure anything you write is spelled correctly? No? Too bad, go use Linux. Oh shit sorry, it’s in the hardware now, you can opt out if you want, but not really, we are going to read everything you write on your computer and your phone and analyze every conversation you have on your phone and it’s all going to be processed and then eventually sold for scraps after we’ve extracted what we want from it”.
That’s where, and it’s been happening for way over a decade already.
Most likely the only goal is getting short term massive investment like everything else. Just the capitalism playbook of find resource, hype it up and exploit it, draining all value before discarding it. Pump and dump.
There are legitimately AI researchers who are investigating “how can we make models that can be trained on AI generated data”. These researchers know about model collapse (LLMs recursively trained on generated data will degenerate after a few iterations) for over a year now
… I hope I was joking
Wait, maybe that’s the sustainable endgame. If the problem is that there is no new human contect for AI to learn from, then the AI companies can hire some humans to create literature, art, music, memes, etc. to carry on a stream of data for the AI to consume. They said that once AI had taken all the shit jobs, humans would be able to spend their time on art - maybe this is how it all ties together!
Haaaaaa…
I love love love model collapse. It’s the absolute perfect conclusion to our Internet and this AI bubble.
The make AI. They realize that we’re not ready for it. But short term profits overlook any and all ethical concerns. So they business bro and release anyway, unleashing a flood of slop and garbage content. All of which is impossible to tell if it is human made or not. But the only way to make their business continue is to train new models, which needs more human created content, of which they already destroyed and made imperceivable from their slop.
It’s honestly just pure poetic justice. The ones who are hiring the next generation of AI models are AI companies.
In part, this is what Microsoft Recall is about: scraping end users’ data at will to sort and feed to its LLMs, without the user ever seeing what is being scraped or having any real, lasting ability to shut Recall off and keep it shut down.
While I am aware that MS insists none of that is true, it is fact that 1) the snapshotted and OCR’d Recall data is now stored in an encrypted database that takes higher than average user skill to get into; 2) even users who turned off Recall saw it turned on again at the next Windows Update; and 3) even after MS said they were backing off Recall, MS continued to partner with hardware makers to create computers bundled with Windows 11 on top of the extra GPU necessary for processing all these Recall snapshots without making that sluggish Windows bloat even more sluggishly bloated than it already was.
So why all that money and effort, even as they claimed to be backing away from it, just to help a hypothetically forgetful user here and there? Data harvesting was always part of the payoff, why they were and are very willing to piss off a huge part of their own consumer base around the world by ending Windows 10 unnecessarily, and why even now they keep ramming Recall shit down the pipe when literally NO ONE wants it.
They get your data. At will. And as much of it as they like, without you ever having the opportunity to oversee what they’re getting, much less curate it. And after feeding it to their LLMs, they get to aggregate and broker it to their “partners” as well. Never forget what MS did in Palestine and the partners they can and will gladly work with, all based on massive collections of quietly gathered user data that either should not legally exist, or is not known outside of MS and its partners to exist at all.
You know Microsoft isn’t about the user experience the moment they removed free games from their distro
Calling Windows a distro, while technically true, feels offensive
In part, this is what Microsoft Recall is about: scraping end users’ data at will to sort and feed to its LLMs
That’s also what Google has always done. Want a large data set of emails? Look at our new free service, Gmail! Need a lot of images to train machine learning vision models? Check out our newest free backup tool, Google Photos! and so on. When they want one particular data type, they launch a free service that just so happens to collect this exact data type from millions of users.
Explains why my personal blog, wiki, and git repo keep getting hammered by hordes of AI company scrapers. If AI was intelligent, they’d download a single snapshot every month or so and share. But no, eight different scrapers using thousands of different IP addresses (to evade my
fail2banmeasures) each have to follow every single blame and diff link when a simplegit cloneoperation would get them the hundreds of megabytes of content in one go.They are getting better, though. More hits are to RecentChanges on my wiki, so there seem to be some optimizations going on. But I refuse to increase my operating costs beyond a few USD/month to serve AI bots when I know barely anyone human visits.
So at this point we’re gonna have to go back to reading books…
Books made before 2019. Amazon is absolutely filled with AI generated books nowadays.
In fact, this whole “consume media only from 2010 and earlier” idea is getting more appealing by the day. I’d rather watch an anime from the 80’s where each frame was drawn by a human hand and somebody spent a week encoding it to extract all the details from the original analogue source, and the subtitles were made by a person who considered each nuance carefully as if their life depended on it, rather than watch a 2025 sequel to a prequel to a reboot of an existing IP where half the assets are AI, the subtitles are AI, the script is AI, and it’s just the most generic mass appealing thing ever made.
It’s pretty sad, creepy and hopeless, but this is exactly how I have been feeling lately with YouTube videos. If it’s made post GPT, I am not inclined to watch it unless it’s a channel I know has a stated anti-AI position, because at least then I know I’m getting human input. They are building up Plato’s cave around us stone by stone, we can’t even move out of the way, we are getting imprisoned, and the few of us who see it happening and shout are being drowned out by the noise of the billions around us who happily hum along.
The system itself needs to come down, with violence, or we won’t make it, none of us, and honestly even if it does, I am not sure we are going to survive. I feel like I’m playing the fiddle on the Titanic.
The 80s and 90s have some of my favorite anime, movies, and tv shows anyway. I can’t really think of any recent masterpeices aside from Interstellar and The Martian.
If you are a USian then you probably have access to a public library.
If you go to the website of said library, usually a city.gov or countystate.gov, you can create an account.
After you create said account, you can download apps(they will tell you but normally Libby or Hoopla, Hoopla hasn’t been work for me but might be a me issue.).
Use the ID from the website on the apps and you can check out books to read. You also have access to comics and audiobooks. The Invincible comic is good, you should check it out.
Weird that third party apps, made by corporate entities, are needed for this. They’re public libraries funded with public money, it should be one unified backend with libre applications.
Then the libraries would have to pay for hosting, so they’d have to be the ones selling user data to advertisers and stuff. Hence the extra degree of separation / “plausible deniability”
If the hivemind cared about actual important priorities (instead of just the desire for low oil prices), then the Internet Archive would face more pressure to improve its infrastructure and the authorities would face more pressure to leave the Internet Archive tf alone.
Nostr can fix this someday
Then the libraries would have to pay for hosting, so they’d have to be the ones selling user data to advertisers and stuff. Hence the extra degree of separation / “plausible deniability”
What? Libraries don’t sell data to advertisers to acquire, maintain and lend books. Why would they do that to provide ebooks? You unitedstatians got used to this bizarre mix of private corporations and public services and ended up accepting the premise that it’s somehow mandatory.
I’m not accepting the premise, that’s why I use nostr on the internet and actual library buildings off the internet.
But it is mandatory, whether that’s acceptable or not. Authorities in the US aren’t gonna suddenly change their mind when it’s your local librarian instead of the Internet Archive trying to run things differently from the corporations. The librarian needs better infrastructure to stand up to the authorities and break away from the corporate way
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You likely need to physically go to the library and prove your residency but yes. Then you can do the above.
My username isn’t random coincidence.
Most new books are AI generated now.
Human forums. Throw in a tar pit for any scrapers
The Hapsburg chin of the digital age
I’m stealing this
How is it a crisis? I’m expecting/hoping LLMs will just get increasingly worse as they are fed on their own slop, until they collapse into unusability and the world finally returns to sanity.
The crisis is that companies will have to pay fair prices for human labor again, which will lead to less profits for the precious shareholders
Not just precious shareholders, it’s a massive bubble that will impact the economy and peoples retirement when it bursts. They keep dumping more money into AI even though there are no returns.
The crisis is that if the internet is bad enough that they can’t train LLMs on it, it’s also useless for us human. And if the LLMs leave because there is no information and we come back, eventually we will generate enough content that it will be worth it again
This is said as though it isn’t an immensely expensive endeavour to run these things and the only reason they’re this prevalent right now is the overspeculation and starved growth of US tech companies.
I don’t get the point you are trying to make. I never said any of that. my point is that the information crisis caused by LLMs that they are referring to, affects everyone. Nothing else. Not hidden meanings
Your original comment sparks fear that failure of LLMs as a mass producer of knowledge would only be temporary until humans repopulated the internet with quality content.
Why would they come back after they fail if it costs billions of dollars to run them in the first place? You literally just agreed with someone else making the same point. Jfc.
I don’t have time to write (and filter out) my opinions right now, but basically I think LLMs will find their place and will settle into a duopoly or tripoloy
I didn’t ask for them.
You really did. But whatever.
Eventually is doing some heavy lifting. The costs of these data centers and the power plants to run them has to come from somewhere.
I don’t know if or when the chickens come home to roost, but it could go badly for the US and China to find out their spent trillions to make a million versions of AI shrimp Jesus.
I want to believe that the silver lining is that HOPEFULLY MAYBE (Now these words are doing the heavy lifting. For sure)this will mean that when the ai craze goes away they will have spent so much on infrastructure that we will great cheap energy, cloud computing, and GPUs.
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That’s possible, very optimistic, but hey, good luck to us.
Its almost like its predictable outcome of prediction algorithms being used to generate content
This is a superbly placed gif.
I feel so bad for Gen Z. Their future looks so bleak.
Not because of this, mostly climate collapse, but yeah
To be fair, this is also part of the problem. AI is making climate change faster, even leaving aside the social ramifications of living in a post-truth world.
But that doesn’t count the climate solutions AI will come up with!
/s
“Wait a minute … these are all the same solutions we had before. They just got recycled and dumbed down!”
You wouldn’t like the climate solution a true AGI will come up with.
It’s all caused by the one and same cancer: capitalism.
It affects us all. Our future looks bleak, not only theirs.
Even if we got to enjoy the good times a bit.
Zoomers and Alphas have more years of that bleak future to enjoy.
the percentage chart gives a timeline but not much else. makes it look like humans are writing less, I wonder what those numbers actually look like, if people are actually writing less or not
On top of this, the scrapers that feed the AIs are creating more and more traffic, and therefor load on sites that did not have them before.
Ah, so the technological singularity is here but it’s in the opposite direction from what was expected as the technology takes over its own enshitification in an ever-accelerating manner.
I gotta wonder where do we go from here?
I gotta wonder where do we go from here?
Butlerian Jihad.
Thank you!! People are always confused when I tell them this AI-induced brain rot is a major plot point of the Dune series. :)
At least the pointless and stupid failure is now, instead of after they invent grey goo.
AI articles cost <$0.01. Human writers cost $10-$100.
Buying a (human) slave for $100 sounds way more profitable than renting an AI if you ask me.
AI revenues are like 1/100th of what they need to be in order to pay off their debts. More if local communites stop subsidizing datacenters
You are thinking like someone caught in last century’s economical paradigm. Now that they own the government, they can use tax payer money to subsidize it, and if it were ever to fail, they would use even more tax payer money to bail them out. In the words of the late, great, George Carlin: they have us by the BALLS.
*yells at computer* NOW GO DO MY LAUNDRY, SLAVE!
Thank god, capitalism will save us!
