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Furthermore, Variety claims that Ellison’s goal is to turn Paramount into a MAGA-friendly environment, with content in the TV and movie divisions expected to be more “America-centric” and geared toward “the middle of the country.”
RIP any future Star Trek property.
“OMG, when did Star Trek get so political?!”
Um… 1966.
So hilarious and so apt… I will absolutely laugh at the idea of, well what’s effectively been a socialist utopia for the vast majority of contexts in it, and the show that broke the interracial kiss barrier. (on top of inter species/galaxy ones… but obviously far more shocking at the time that a white guy kissed a black woman, than a white guy sleeping with a bunch of green aliens.
Political in the non-conservative sense, mind you.
About the only time they notice “activism”, too.
They can have activism like Project 2025 or the decades-long effort to overturn Roe, and none of that counts as “activism”.
Good luck with South Park and painting Matt Stone as Anti-Semitic. Fucking pieces of shit.
Zionists call Jewish people antisemitic all the time, so yeah they will have great luck with that.
I’m willing to bet that a significant portion of that list is Jewish.
America-centric?
Mother fucker it’s already America-centric, just look at the space Christian angels episodes of discovery to see how American it is.
Oh well, more Americans shooting themselves in the foot for foreign media to step in and replace them. Guess this is the century of China if America is giving up.
Wasn’t that supposed to be her mom?
The first Red Angel was Burnham’s mom. The second Red Angel was Burnham, because of-fucking-course it was.
Ok so definitely no Christianity stuff, just star trek being like … temporarily mysterious-ish
I reckon we could get 4 seasons into a Terran Empire based series before the MAGAs figure out they’re being made fun of.
You could get away with a Starship Troopers Star Trek Terran Empire series literally forever, The Colbert Report ran 11 seasons and people still think it existed to balance out the liberal bias of The Daily Show.
Star Trek: Ferenginar will probably be on the list to be made and the pilot episode will be called Make Fereginar Great Again.
MAGA would see the Ferengi aversion to war, xenophobia, and genocide as “too woke”.
The Ferengi actually know how to run a functioning economy.
“Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people…will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon.”
They would like the idea of permanently unclothed women though. Those on the younger side especially.
Followed by Star Trek: Lobes
Star Trek: The Final Front Ear
My first thought when reading that as well.
RIP any future Star Trek property.
I’m sure they will find new ways to try to reboot it, completely stripped of any social commentary or social thought experiments, devoid of all optimism and inspiration for what our species can become. Probably like, another retelling of a plucky crew getting into space battles with generic, non-stereotyped-but-kinda alien terrorists who don’t have relatable reasons for being bad guys.
It won’t have heady concepts and wild ideas about how civilizations can develop and what humans can become, but that’s okay because it will have a roguish captain who likes to break the rules and a strict, by-the-book 1st officer that he has sexual tension with.
So it will be a cop show
Scientists predict that by the year 2120, the entire solar system will be nothing but cop shows.
😭
I remember having multiple discussions with a guy I knew who was adamant about various works of fiction, including the original Star Trek TV series, and how, in his view, if they have any kind of subtext to them, that it was not intentional and it’s entirely in the eye of the beholder, meaning, that people just make it up as they go.
These included, but were not limited to: OG Star Trek, Dune (book), LoTR (books), and even the NARNIA series. I mean, Narnia. I think I first read them around the age of 10 or 11, and the Christian parallels practically hit you between the eyes it is so obvious. Even to a kid…I mean, I’m pretty sure Lewis has gone on record with the clear intent on proselytizing his faith via that series.
I wish I was joking, and this guy read most everything when it came to old sci-fi stuff. If that is his take on reading all those classic sci-fi stuff, I was just gobsmacked as to what he was getting out of it.
I have the feeling that there might be more people like him, but I just don’t get it. Even things like WWE have the basic outline of the hero’s journey to them, FFS.
All of those series you mentioned have easily found interviews with their creators where they specifically say what subtext they were intending when they made them. You can disagree with the subtext, but was intentionally put there. That’s some willful ignorance.
Yeah. I’m pretty sure I asked him about that supposed wager between Tolkien and Lewis and how they kind of goaded one another to write fiction containing new myths that had, at root, the “true myth”, in their view which was related to Christ, since they were both Christians.
I also asked him about original myths themselves - do they contain allegory, etc? I think he may have conceded that, but for some reason, seemed to want to have some kind of arbitrary delineation between ancient myths and virtually everything else.
I don’t pretend to understand. I was utterly baffled by it. I remember asking about The Matrix, too - was that just a lot of cool FX and well-choreographed fight scenes? The answer was something I don’t remember, but I know I was baffled by it…
He’s not wrong that the reader/viewer can take what they will from a work and translate it through their own lens… but come on, that is some neutron-star density if you can’t read the deliberate social commentary in Star Trek. Roddenberry himself has spoken about it.
It makes me pretty convinced that person, and those who share his views, are people who feel called-out or attacked on some level by whatever social issues are being highlighted, or feel insecure that they don’t “get it.”
There is a really wild segment of the human population who seem totally incapable of working out abstract ideas like ethics and values on their own and rely on systems like government or religion or unfortunately, content creators to guide them. This is a bigger problem than we realize and we take for granted that just because we all grew up watching the Ninja Turtles beat Shredder that we can all discern that “good is better than bad.” Not everyone gets that, and this is everyone’s problem.
Yeah, I know the guy could be an intentional contrarian just because he thought that was the way to show his intelligence. And I think he is on the spectrum. But I don’t think he was kidding or merely being contrarian about this. Probably why I talked about it to him so much. Sure, many things have multiple interpretations, and I often thought that some pretty basic English lit teachers thought there were “rules” to how to interpret literature and that there were “correct” answers to what something like Old Man and the Sea “means”. I can understand rejecting that.
But rejecting that even things as blatant as Narnia and Star Trek are not intentionally conveying a message? Mind-blowing. I don’t even understand why you’d be all that interested in fiction of any kind at that point.
And yeah, as you point out, this kind of obvious intelligence in one way, but a glaring of lack of intelligence in others is highly problematic in the moral sense.
I was going to suggest that he might be on the spectrum, as it’s pretty stereotyped that autistic spectrum disorder can make it hard for some people to pick up subtext, nuance, overtones and other forms of communication that aren’t direct. (I was diagnosed recently as an adult but I’ve never had problems dismantling all the layers of media or reading emotions so it’s probably a different part of the spectrum.)
But this is also exactly why so many people on the spectrum identify with science fiction and fantasy, because in many of these franchises the social narrative or analogy isn’t exactly subtle.
And it opens up so many questions - like, what DOES communicate social messages and life lessons? What kinds of media DO convey ideas about society? Only documentaries about politics? What about non-fiction movies? What about fiction stories and movies that aren’t sci-fi or fantasy? Does he even watch stories about human emotion or abstract works of fiction that are STRICTLY social commentary? I would immediately start asking him so many questions LOL.
Honestly though, I would take this. I would prefer someone who says openly that they’re disconnected from social narratives than the people who pretend that they understand ethics and values communicated to them, but are actually just horrible sociopaths trying to act human.
Yeah, I found it weird for sure and I did have so many questions. I don’t see him any more. I still think about it even now, even though these conversations were maybe 10 years ago, LOL.
I think part of it was his stubbornness to admit being even a little bit wrong in a prior statement?
I mean, as you point out, OG Star Trek is something that even as a relatively young and sheltered kid who didn’t see much TV, I’d watch them at relatives houses in syndication and even I could “get it”. It fairly smacks you over the head now that I’m an adult. How some of this got past the censors still looking for any kind of subversive content is beyond me. I’m assuming the network censors just saw aliens and checked out mentally, or maybe were the type that cannot really handle abstractions of any sort…
As to that last paragraph, absolutely right. It’s one thing if people struggle with social cues and so on and it’s quite another for people just faking human emotions in order to exploit others.
Narnia and Dune are so up-front about their messages that after a couple books it stops being subtext and just becomes text, so they’re technically correct there.
Well, Narnia hits one like a 2x4 square between the eyes. 🤣
I remember reading the first Dune book during the first invasion of Iraq and the parallels between the two were very interesting I have to say. Not sure how much the author meant, but it was sure weird…
There’s already an Angel Studios. We don’t need another one.
Eh, it’s not like the current ones were all that good anyway
Seeing that list of stars, I didn’t even need to open the article to see if Paramount was just conflating anti-genocide with anti-semitic.
They are, in case it wasn’t immediately clear.
They are, in case it wasn’t immediately clear.
Basically, my eyeballs just slide off the word “antisemitism” like it’s fucking mental Teflon at this point.
Good fucking job Israel, we spent nearly a century committing our entire civilization to stamping out ideas like antisemitism and bigotry against ethnic groups, and you just dragged us back to the start.
Yup. You’d think that a people for whom the words “never again” carry special significance would understand the irony of carrying out genocide.
Well, I just canceled my paramount+
Same.
We’re quickly spiraling into a Star Trek evil timeline origin.
In my parallel timeline, David Ellison doesn’t run Paramount. Harlan Ellison does.
Star Trek would have been very different under Harlan Ellison.
So we went to the commissary and shoved in around the Writers’ Table.
What I did not know was that the Writers’ Table was right behind the Producers’ Banquette. That was my first big mistake. As it turned out, it was also my last big mistake.
Oh, what fun, sitting there with intellectual companions, cutting up touches and laughing at the drolleries! Born again: the Algonquin round table. Wit beyond compare. And, naturally, as the youngest member of the group, striving to make my mark as worthy of their camaraderie, their respect, I suggested a droll, witty lunchtime conceit . . .
Two things you must know. First, I do a terrific Mickey Mouse imitation. Absolutely phonographically perfect. If the publishers of this book had the money, they ought to bind in a record, one of those little plastic jobbies, so you could hear my spectacular Mickey imitation. When I tell this anecdote in person, it really enhances a lot. But just pretend you can hear it, okay?
The second thing you need to know is that the Producers’ Banquette had filled up with Roy Disney and the other heads of the studio, behind me; a fact of which I was unaware; a fact no one bothered to impart.
At the top of my voice I suggested, “Hey, listen, what a kick! Why don’t we do a porn Disney flick?”
Everyone smiled. “It’ll be terrific,” I said. Loudly. “I mean, everyone knows, for instance, that Tinker Bell does it . . . what they don’t know is how she Does It.” They all looked at me expectantly. “She flies up the head of the penis and flaps her wings like crazy,” I said, proud as hell of myself at this bit of fantasy. Everyone chuckled.
I went on, oblivious to the sudden hush all around me in the commissary. “I’ll be Mickey, and I’ll be the director; John, you do a good Donald, so you can be the male porn lead, sort of a duck-style Harry Reems; Mary, you can be Minnie, the female lead; and Albert, you can be Goofy . . . and Goofy, of course, is the producer.”
Their smiles were frozen; the way the smiles of bit players get frozen when they see the monster creeping up behind the hero in a horror flick.
“Hey, gang!” I squeaked in my terrifically accurate Mickey voice. “Everybody ready to shoot the ultimate Disney flick? The film that rips the lid off the goody two-shoes hypocrisy that lies sweltering beneath the surface of G-rated true-life adventures? Okay, you guys, let’s get that hand-held Arriflex right down there between Minnie’s legs! I wanna see closeups of quivering labia!”
A silence as deep as that at the bottom of the Cayman Trench.
I went on, oblivious, carried along by my enthusiasm. In Donald’s quack I said, “Goddam sonofabitch! Pluto, get outta there, you’re steaming up the lens!”
As Goofy, in the dumbest voice possible, I said, “Yuck, yuck, yuck . . . hey, fellahs, I’m a highly-paid, extremely-inept producer person . . . c’n I play, too?”
As Mickey: “Fuck off, Goofy, fuck off! Get those Seven Dwarfs in here . . . I don’t care ff they don’t wanna gang-bang a mouse, tell 'em they’re under contract . . . and fer chrissakes, Minnie, will you take off those damned shoes?!”
The meal came. Everyone addressed their plates like inmates of the Gulag Archipelago. When lunch was over, everyone vanished very quickly. I was confused, but felt good. What a nice little shtick I’d invented. Wished they’d joined in. Oh well.
Went back to my office. Noticed first that my name had been whited-out in the parking slot. Upstairs, the secretary and her paperback were gone. On my desk: twelve sharpened #2 Dixon Ticonderoga pencils and a pink slip.
I had been fired after working for the Disney empire for a total of four hours, including lunch.
The lessons here cannot be avoided.
Big business is humorless.
And . . .
At Disney, nobody fucks with The Mouse.
Harlan also wanted the episode “City on the Edge of Forever” to be WAY darker but that was not the kind of universe Gene was making. Harlan was a difficult guy to work with.
Now that would be a hell of a timeline.
… dear god.
We’re actually right on schedule for the Prime timeline. Things got really, really bad before humanity finally got their shit together. Of course, we won’t be doing that.
After what they did to Halo, I canceled mine ages ago.
How do i boycott that from which i don’t currently partake.
Pirate their stuff and leave bad reviews?
By spreading the word about the boycott.
I’ll never understand one more people aren’t on the high seas. It’s the best.
We need some people paying for it so the stuff we like keeps getting made.
It is morally correct to pirate Paramount content then complain about how shit it is anyway.
And to cancel your paramount+ subscription
Wait, people have that?
My guess is Trekkie’s would
We have it for survivor
Thats what an arrs stack is for.
Please, expand on that for me. Not sure “aars stack” is enough for me to go on a research dive with. More than happy to do some sailing. I 100% has the infrastructure and technical ability.
Nevermind. Pretty sure this GitHub is doing the explaining I need: https://github.com/Ravencentric/awesome-arr
I’ve never seen a company who’s advertising goes so far the wrong way. It makes me want to cancel it and I don’t even subscribe.
They don’t even have enough content to fill a billboard, let alone a whole streaming service.
How else would the elderly watch their NCIS reruns?
check their upcoming movies…
Do I have to pirate them? I rather carry on pretending there isn’t another paw patrol movie
There are paw patrol movies now?
People can still sit through a whole movie??
i don’t mind watching that kind of stuff with the little ones. heck, even when they aren’t around and the tv is just ‘on’ for noise, it’s most likely tuned to or playing “their” shows and movies.
Not “people,” just toddlers.
Sounds like we need a Paramount boycott
I want to, but I was already avoiding them!
I switch around a lot and was considering getting it for a month but then the Colbert thing happened and now this? Never again.
I’ll start by continuing to not watch nor consume Paramount shit in any way.
And Mel Gibson is not on the list. That fact alone shows that this list has nothing to do with antisemitism.
Zionists owning Hollywood turns out to be reality.
Israel has set back the push against actual bigotry and antisemitism by a century by literally leaning into every right-wing conspiracist talking point and wild notion about jewish conspiracies.
They’ve squandered any good will a sane person could have for Israel.
The monstrous acts against Palestine haven’t changed the way I view Jewish people as a whole, because I can separate religious beliefs from the actions of a nation state, but so,so many fucking idiots won’t.
Israel can go fuck itself, but I really feel for all the sane Jewish people outside (and inside, though I don’t think they’re super numerous) Israel that are going to be targeted by actual fucking antisemitism by nut jobs.
I sometimes wonder if this was intentional - fanning ridiculous theories such as “space lasers” - in order to make it easier to discredit other/future criticism. The Republicans have been using similar tactics for awhile now,.
Intentionally seeding radical and absurd social and political narratives on both sides of every issue is part of the KGB handbook for destabilizing nations. Russia has done it repeatedly, but it’s not isolated to them, basically it’s how politics is conducted entirely now by every actor.
When you stop trusting the narratives and stories you hear, you start tuning out all arguments on either side of an issue and either lose interest entirely, or you default to trusting the “official” channels like state media.
Man, I sure didn’t expect to see “Mel Gibson Was Right All Along” on my 2025 Bingo card, yet here we are.
Boycott, divest, sanction. Paramount about to get the Disney treatment.
Soon to be rebranded as Paramaga, to cater to “the middle”
“Coming soon to Paramount+, a unique look at Hitler: A tyrant? Yes, but also an artist and dog lover, let us explore the middle side of history this fall!”
The Paramaga
Oh, lol/fuck, imagine if that is the name that will stick to the ICE&co. troops in the future (a bit like “Nazi” has later become to be the default term, wiki/Nazism#Etymology).
It’s better than ‘sockfaces’ (like Brownshirts … or black/blue/gold/silver/red/green/greyshirts) tho they sure do love their sock-faced anonymity in their “public service”.
And by “antisemitic”, they are still going by the hilariously outdated notion that maybe last held sway in the 90s, and that means “not sufficiently subservient to just whatever the fuck Israel wants to do”?
MAGA and Jewish space lasers on the same side. I guess they are that stupid.
Oh man. Star Trek is the only tv show I watch. I guess it is time to sail the high seas.
Admirable tbh. Unfortunately Severance and The Bear still have me in their clutches haha
I thought The Bear was Disney and Severance was Apple… At least that’s how they are in the UK.
The seas can solve that problem in 15 minutes and then you have them forever.
No wonder South Park is trying to speedrun their contract with Paramount
I would think they’d love being there as a giant fuck you to them.
What happened for those not in the know?
What are the odds that Mel Gibson isn’t on that list
It’s in the article. He’s not on it.
Is that a bad thing? As in, there are some good actors on that list which won’t be making MAGA-friendly films at Paramount.





















