My money is on Linus
Is this real?
Real as in “are they sword fighting to the death?” - no
Real as in “have they come together in person to take a picture?” - likely yes
Yes, they recently shot a video together.
Wow. I have a bit more respect for one than the other. The dweeb made a video where he pretended to try Linux and botched it on purpose
Not on purpose in the way you are suggesting… he tried it all on his own in earnest, but made a dumb mistake not reading the prompt carefully enough or trying to understand it. But, he only got into that situation because of an error on Pop OS! maintainers’ part. It was an unknown issue at the time until he uncovered it. OCAU thread that discussed the issue at the time
I don’t get your logic. Why would he do it on purpose? He’s been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now, why would he fail on purpose.
Honestly, what happened seems like something pretty normal for someone that isn’t a programmer or system admin. I remember when consoles were black boxes to me and I wouldn’t understand anything that was written in there even though today it might seem extremely obvious. It was just bad luck that his attempt lined up with a Pop!_OS bug, he didn’t expect that such a normal use case as installing Steam would result in him deleting his desktop environment, and just saw the last line and did what it said.
He’s been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now
I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
I don’t agree at all that the average user would read that warning and proceed. I have seen many people freeze up and cancel upon seeing messages nowhere near that level just because they didn’t understand. That was maybe the scariest warning I’ve seen. It explicitly said it probably would break the system. I always find it odd when people act like it’s normal behavior to proceed in that situation.
I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
He talks about wanting Linux to succed and win marketshare over Windows on many WAN shows, and in general, he is positive towards Linux in the sense that he wants it to win, but he also feelt like it wasn’t ready yet for real mass adoption. For example, he’s rooting for Valve and the SteamDeck and Steam machine to be a success and has been widely positive of Proton and what it has managed to achieve. Perhaps you want him to make videos about Linux, in which case, yes, he hasn’t made that many dedicated videos on it, but on streams he is often positive whenever talking about it.
Also, why are people defending the scumbag for any reason? He was caught manipulating benchmarks after getting paid by a hardware company (forget which company, easy to Google this)
If this is based on the GamersNexus videos, those are pretty absurd hit pieces that seemed to come from some bizarre place of resentment. They’ve had process issues when it comes to how they benchmark hardware, but never anything paid or purposefully misleading.
I’m honestly wondering if you’ve confused it with something else.
If that’s the case, could you link a source then? Because I wasn’t able to find it with a quick Google search He has been the subject of many controversies over the years, most of which have been wildly misinterpreted.
This is basically a hit piece that has been in many ways disproven. Linus and his team are a bunch of apes but that means they are mostly incompetent, not actually malicious.
On purpose, or on stupid? Answers prompt with “I know what I am doing”, breaks system, complains.
…while being forced to do so to achieve a basic thing, and after finding it as the solution on the web (because it usually is). Remember, Pop!_OS screwed up so badly that the installation of a common user program caused the removal of core system packages. While it’s correct to expect people to read warnings, expecting beginners and common users to either learn about the (very complex) inner workings of an operating system just to install something or to let go of their entire gaming library is unreasonable. And although Linus of course should have an interest in learning these things given his work and should’ve taken more care, the video was specifically to showcase how their experience as new users look like. And Pop!_OS was generally regarded as user-friendly, not as solely aimed at professionals (important detail).
If the only solution to a problem with a very common task on a user-friendly OS is hidden behind an advanced-level skill wall (yes, knowing all the important packages if your OS means you’re an advanced user) that may kill you if you do a single wrong action then your system offers shitty solutions.
Fortunately both user-friendly distros and aspects of them like Flatpak have gone way further since then, so this shouldn’t happen as easily anymore. The warnings in apt are way more noticeable now too I think. The Linux community learned from all the bad press… most of it at least.
He explained he was trying to approach it as an average user. But that seems disengenous to me. That warning was scary as fuck. Anyone stupid enough to go far out of their way to break their system against very strong warnings, gets what they get. The average users I know wouldn’t have done that unless they were pretty much done trying and didn’t care if it broke their system anyhow
Link?
CD-i Link has entered the chat…
I was more hoping for the “Well Excuuuuuseee me, Princess” Link, but I’ll take it.
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Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me Princess
Like a 70s porno.
I really wonder why Linus Torvalds is giving that clown the time of day.
The entertainment value of LTT is there.
And also some informational. I don’t care about the drama and don’t think Linus is a saint or shit. The videos are good usually. The rest I don’t bother.
And the other one is is a genius, almost saint with anger issues and an enormous enrichment for the world community.
My problem with LTT is that they have demonstrated for years that quality and accuracy isn’t a priority. They also aren’t experts in tech. The drama stuff is just icing on an already bad image.
In your opinion, who is, and is it on a single digit list of people who are for you?
Seeing lots of downvotes, but no answers. It’s always so easy to point out who isn’t an expert, but people get so insecure when they have to provide counterexamples that aren’t just outliers. I guess people fear themselves.
In your opinion, who is, and is it on a single digit list of people who are for you?
I don’t know what you’re trying to say here, but I’m going to guess you’re asking who is a reliable tech expert. So if that’s your question, here’s my answer:
For general hardware/server/enterprise stuff: Wendell from L1
Consumer hardware repair stuff: Louis Rossmann, although he’s been doing less of that for a bit
Linux stuff: anyone of the Jupiter Broadcasting hosts
BSD and ZFS: Allen Jude
More general consumer hardware reviews and stats: Gamers Nexus
All of those are streamers, and a single digit list of those (5 of them). I would have liked to see a linux community recognize entire community of experts, but this whole argument seems to be just people taking their favorite streaming personalities and doing a lot of what’s wrong in reality shows with them. If all your experts are streamers, you have a very flawed definition of an expert.
Thanks for getting your feet wet, though. Louis Rossmann is more of a consumer right’s advocate nowadays, Gamers Nexus and Wendell are more of the same generalists that would compete in LTT’s interest base, and Wendell and the rest have a focus more on the side of *nux and more professional deployments. To me, three out of the five being Linux domained says the issue is less about someone being an expert than what they are expert in, and Louis Rossmann being nudged along with Gamer’s Nexus when he’s sort of out of the domain involved yet him being a key supporting figure along with Gamer’s Nexus criticism in the past hints that his inclusion might be prioritized on that instead. Also, Louis Rossmann is literally trying to get people to avatar Clippy … because lesser evil is an icon of antiAI or some such?
Not criticizing those streamers, just trying to see where a lot of the drama is coming from and whether my own assumptions on that are justified. A lot of them seem to be from people with more expertise in the Linux community. Linus has been pushing for Linux adoption for people outside of the community for some time now, and because he appeals to that outside community more has generally been more effective at it.
All of those are streamers
Wait, so you want me to list maintainers of projects or something? Someone that isn’t well known?
I really have no idea what you’re asking for.
Linus has been pushing for Linux adoption for people outside of the community for some time now
Wouldn’t know. Don’t care.
He’s a lying cheating clown. Literally every single video, review, and product recommendation from LTT prior to the Gamers Nexus video about them is null and void. That means tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands (or more), of people made purchasing decisions based on bogus data.
Then there was the storage server video. That was basically using-a-porcelain-dinner-plate-to-hammer-a-nail levels of “expertise”.
His opinion literally means nothing to me.
I really have no idea what you’re asking for.
Don’t worry, I think I more or less got a sense of where you are really coming from. That you have no idea what I am asking for is a nail for the impression I got.
I hear you on the frustration with the errors and the Billet Labs situation; those were legitimate issues. But I think there’s a difference between holding someone accountable and writing them off permanently.
The thing is, LMG did take concrete steps after the GN video:
- They paused uploads for a week
- Established an error-checking team (ECC squad)
- Have been building out their lab infrastructure (their PSU testing and articles can be really neat)
Are they perfect now? No. But if we don’t acknowledge when people/companies make genuine efforts to improve, what’s the incentive for anyone to try?
I’m not saying you have to watch LTT or trust everything they say. But the “his opinion literally means nothing to me” stance feels pretty absolute for a situation where they’ve at least attempted course correction. Most of us have professional screw-ups we’ve learned from. I think the question is whether the response was adequate, not whether mistakes disqualify someone forever.
I don’t watch them much anymore, but imo LTT was always best when they did stuff similar to Top Gear.
For actual reviews others like Gamers nexus, hardware unboxed, rtings and others imo were always better. What I found frustrating in this regard is that LTT seemingly made a big push into the more serious review space with their labs, but at least from what I can tell that so far hasn’t materialized.
Their labs is not really eye catching. They seem to use the numbers on some benchmarks but in the videos it doesn’t make money.
So I assume labs runs in background for funs sake
If LTT fans could read you’re post, they’d be really upset with you
I bet they would be, they might actually be more ravenous than Swifties.
Forgive me if I sound ignorant, I don’t follow the news around LTT that closely.
Didn’t the independent review fail to find any proof of workplace harassment?
Or is there a new scandal or update I don’t know about?
No, it’s more just that LTT is basically what the Verge or any ther subpar tech outlet could be if it had actual writing talent and a hint of tech literacy.
Emphasis on a hint of tech literacy.*
Most people actually into the tech scene don’t really watch LTT that often, or find their videos severely lacking.
tbf, LTT does do a better job of providing the lens of an average consumer, and Torvalds has always kept the idea that FOSS really should not disqualify anyone from participating. He is happy to have Linux used and shown off by megacorps or individuals alike.
spoiler
Linus Sebastian’s background is being a warehouse manager for NCIX, which is why he has a very blatant history of misrepresenting lots of products, software, technology, etc, just like your average consumer. He has gotten better over the years, but his content is not intended to provide intense detail, usually just a general overview, even if it includes testing.
There was more that was going on with LTT than harassment.
Like receiving a loaned prototype that was meant for X card, using it on Y card, saying it was crap cause it didnt fit and didnt work, then selling it at auction… Then coming out and saying he had been in contact with teh company to make amends and they have accepted it, only for the company to immediately torpedo by stating they’ve heard nothing from him.
I’d wager things were not going well behind the scenes, either, with the mass exodus of major talent they had over the past year or so, either. Sure people drift in and out of jobs, but for you to have most of your big names all leave in a relatively small window… That hints at behind the scenes shit maybe not being so bueno.
And theres also the “just trust me bro” warranty on the stupid laptop bag, and him basically going on wan show acting offended and shittalking people who were calling him out for a long history of justifiable criticism against shitty warranties, only to pull the same… but hes gods special angel, so obviously its different with him and how dare you question his glory.
All in all, Linus just strikes as an insufferable twat… and sadly it doesnt seem to be fame going to his head either, because he’s been an insufferable twat on Camera since the goddamn beginning of LTT (I never saw his NCIX videos, but I would assume he was much better behaved on them, since he was representing someone elses brand and ran the risk of firing if he acted a twat), Especially when it comes to any valid criticism towards him, or his channel, or methodology.
All their product reviews had been found out to be wildly bogus. The stats they show for comparisons in their videos are inconsistent, inaccurate, and self-contradicting.
They’ve lost all their credibility. I have no idea why people still watch their garbage.
I don’t follow this either, but devils advocate, a review would find no wrongdoing without evidence beyond someones word. But just because something isn’t provable, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. At my workplace there is a tenured professor that has been harassing people into quitting for 30 years, and they still don’t have “evidence” beyond someones word, not enough to get around tenure. If they were forced to give a statement they would likely say no wrongdoing.
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Linus V Linus funny
I hear Linus sleeps with nunchucks
as long as they’re consenting
Linus is taking his rants more seriously these days I see 😆
The name of my sword? It’s “go fuck yourself”.
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Explanation: The guy on the right is Linus Sebastian, a tech youtuber running a fairly large media company. I’d characterize their output as being a mixture of news, reviews and Top Gear style fucking around with tech.
A couple weeks ago he sent Linus Torvalds an e-mail, asking him if he’d like to do some sort of collaboration - mainly because of the name and because he’s a personal hero of his. Torvalds quickly responded, telling him that it would have to be a “there can only be one” type situation, like in Highlander or Mad Max.
So they shot something where they most are just chatting while building a computer together but did the bit for the intro. The video is not released yet.
Sometimes, “Yes, do as I say!” just doesn’t get the message through.
Well we have a guy who created the Linux kernel… and a shitty youtuber.
I’m seeing double here, four Linus’s!
… four?
The katana are also named Linus.
The horse’s name is Linus
Really? It could have told me at any point while we went through that fucking desert!
Probably didn’t want to be known by you on a first name basis until you got into the regular desert.
Fair.
Thank you, I have now been unwooshed
Just doing my job.
This is getting out of hand, now there are eight of them.
“May the sudo be with you”
Who’s the other guy?
linus
Gosh the LMG shills are nauseous.
“I’m not a fan, I just watch the occasional video but <insert excuses, growing pains etc.>”.
Proper fan girling, but at least fan girls have courage of conviction.
Linus will win!
Linuses takes aren’t always the best, and he can be pretty polarizing. But for fun and relaxation, his videos are good. He often plays the role of the average, non-tech-savvy user—someone who genuinely doesn’t know better. The same goes for his “Linux Experiment.” I think it’s important for Linux to reach more average PC users and gamers
