Oh, and they always disagree with Netanyahu.
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I’ve fallen out with some of my German cousins. because I’m an anti Semite for not supporting everything the far right government does in Israel.
Ironically, these people are also strongly anti AFD.
don’t really get it.
fascism disguised/being sold as historical guilt and empathy for the “Jewish people”
OP, can you link some examples of “random Germans on Lemmy” defending Israel? Should be easy if you claim “there’s always one”?
No, this is strictly shit posting and subtooting to vent frustration. I’m not going to make a bunch of random Germans into targets. I usually try to engage in good faith and help change perspective. Targeting people like that would be counter to that.
So you target an entire nation instead.
In logic, there is a huge difference between existential and universal quantification.
Now, if you find reason to self identify as the “random German” that’s your own choice.
You seem to value logic, but not math. If you refuse to even tell us how many comment sections with “random Germans” defending Israel led you to make your post, it looks very much like you’re basing your judgment about a whole nation on insufficient data. Any statistician will tell you that you need a significant sample in order to make generalized statements like you did.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s. You’re in a memes community and you’re demanding an empirical study with statistical significance.
judgment about a whole nation
Repeat: there is a difference between exists and forall. I’m not judging “all Germans”.
(I do have however very strong opinions about the German state, media, and political class, and its despicable laws, positions, and biases, but German official genocide denialism is a different discussion.)
You particularly referred to the Germans, and you said there’s “always one”, thereby singling out the Germans as being particularly bad in this respect. I’d hoped you would be able to at least give some kind of evidence for this claim of yours. Seems like you can’t and don’t want to.
“Everytime I drive on the highway there is always some random male driver that tailgates me.”
When you read that, do you understand that “all men tailgate”?
DIESE KOMMENTARSEKTION IST NUN EIGENTUM DER BUNDESREPUBLIK
Antideutschers
Controversial take: you shouldn’t have institutional rape. Anyone who riots for their right to rape is maybe not good.
Zionists: fuck you, you’re hamas!
I see many germans like this everyday. Shame to share the same soil
One day I hope you at least don’t need to share the same side of the soil as them
Seems unnecessarily divisive. You could apply this template to practically any group of groups. But, ya know… go team!
Which teams? The critisism of genocide team and the… progenocide team?
Not sure if you’re being purposely obtuse or you truly don’t understand. I say, “Go team!”… and you’re displaying exactly what I’m talking about
I bet we’d be friends if we both dropped the shit
I asked a question, my man. Questions are not attacks. If you don’t want to answer, you can just ignore me.
My man, you didn’t ask a question for understanding. You asked a question, gave me two options, and there’s only one correct answer (unless you’re a monster I guess?)
You can’t just say “questions are not attacks”, after laying down a purity test in the “form of a question”… for what? We’re not enemies, I promise… you’re dividing either purposefully (trolling), or not actually understanding what I’ve said. I’m sorry if I upset you, but damn dude; it’s ok. I’m “team criticism of genocide”, if you truly couldn’t parse that out already. You’re team… I don’t honestly care, I hope the best for you.
There, we’re now both ostensibly on some side I guess. Congrats, you divided nothing into whatever you choose to perceive. You can also just ignore me btw, no need for the (totally not overt) aggression. I really do hope you have an ok day
I mean, I did ask a question: what teams? What are the teams? I didn’t give you two options. I suggested two options that seemed apparent to me. If you want to keep attributing some intent to me, I guess that’s on you.
You offered two loaded options that “seemed apparent” to you, without acknowledging (and/or understanding) anything I actually said. You read whatever you wanted to hear apparently, and then re-addressed me with even more volatility. You tried to leave me with the options of “agree with me” or “disagree and be wrong”… cornering the conversation as opposed to actually intending to understand
What would you like to hear so that you feel vindicated and whole? How far down the rabbit hole do we need to go before understanding this entire conversation is now meaninglessly entangled; we’re apparently just misunderstanding each other
“Go team”. People are inherently geared towards black/white, group thinking, us and them; we’re social creatures. I considered OP’s meme to be unfortunately divisive, regardless of “how true” it is. Underlying truth underlies overlying generalizations, and really takes away from the interpersonal place we all share. Division is a cheap way to find acceptance amongst the group you wish to receive acceptance from
If you’re actually interested in continuing, I have the time unfortunately. If you’re just trolling, no matter; something may be gained from our conversation by someone else. So where does or misunderstanding lie?
“Go team” means people tend to create sides to choose from, out of some kind of nature or comfortability… but it can become unnecessarily divisive when the “sides” are arbitrary and narrow to begin with. But that’s a lot to say when sometimes less is more, and I’m just commenting about a meme. I’m sorry if that upset you or you took it differently than intended… whatever you read wasn’t what I meant, it seems. And I feel like you already know that, but fuck it, I’ma give you the benefit of the doubt
What else do we have to talk about? Sorry mate, there’s really no mountain to build here outta this mole-hill
This is truly a truly impressive word count for almost zero substance.
If condemnation of apartheid and genocide is divisive, then maybe that’s a useful division to bring to the foreground. I don’t understand what it is that you see as the problem here. Can you explain?
You can and should condemn apartheid and genocide; but who is the “random German on Lemmy”? Are Germans bad? Is there a specific user you’re referring to, or are you casting a wide net and making “Germans” an outgroup? Maybe I don’t get it, but it looks like you’re condemning one thing at the expense of another… and that’s unnecessarily divisive to me if your only goal was to bring something into the foreground of conversation. Can you explain what your meme means?
Germany is very pro-Israel even with the ongoing genocide. What don’t you understand?
My meme is an expression of my own experience that a bit too often when Israeli apartheid and genocide come up on lemmy, invariably some German user pops up and starts shifting the discourse to victim blaming the Palestinians. That’s not “all Germans bad”, just like when we criticize American users for making every single topic be about Democrats and Republicans, we are not saying “all Americans bad”. I complain about a tendency, not condemning an ethnic group.
I see what you’re saying, I guess it comes off as “all Germans” to me because “a random German” sounds like, “any random sample of Germans is likely to contain a xenophobic/nationalist individual”; when I feel like that could be the case for almost any random group… thus, unnecessarily creating an outgroup
Maybe instead of “random German person on Lemmy”, it could be “random xenophobic German person on Lemmy”…a little wordy, but it captures the irony of your statement, while also bringing the atrocities of Isreal to the forefront of attention
Idk, maybe I’m too much of a/an (insert label) and I’m killing the joke by overthinking
Edit: maybe it’s like mentioning “school shootings and guns” or “pittbulls” and inevitably awakening the indignant who just “have to comment and prove their point”… thus proving (and reinforcing) your own point. To me, it feels like introducing discussion on an already lopsided court; though I still respect your self-expression. I just feel it could be a little more nuanced so as to avoid any extra division… but that’s just my own two cents
I hear you! Wish I had been more careful with the phrasing
I think it’s because everyone expects Germans to know better. And it’s pretty sad when it looks like the lesson that was learnt wasn’t “subjugation and genocide of a targeted demographic is bad” but instead “criticism of Israel is bad”.
People expect it from magas and religious nutters but not from Germans in 2025.
I appreciate the explanation. It still seems unnecessarily divisive though. If one had no context at all, this meme would just come off as “all Germans bad” or “all Germans are (insert one’s perception)”. Internalization of reactionary media isn’t rational, and this just seems to throw fuel on a fire that doesn’t even exist
People are just people at the end of the day, and some are less informed or more hateful than others, wherever you go. No need to create an outgroup in order to condemn something inherently evil
I’m sorry but pro-Palestinian demonstration is literally illegal in Germany now. This is not a small minority that OP is referring to. Polls show the vast majority of Germans support Israel no matter what they do. That’s not a nasty stereotype but deeply embedded in German culture
See, there it is again. “It’s a German thing. It’s not a stereotype, all Germans are”. You have to see the irony in what your statement boils down to. Anecdotes are funny little things that can really cause harm when internalized at face value
It’s not anecdote. There is a qualitative difference between how Germany and other European countries view Israel. If you can’t see that or don’t want to talk about it, we have nothing to discuss
“It’s not anecdotal”, they anecdotally claimed
(while everbody has now forgotten the entire point; that “people can be intentionall/accidentally divisive”)
(Insert divisive post-script)
I really hope your day goes better than whatever tf this was
History
Is there an article giving context and outcome of that picture?
