Do we really need West and South when we can use negative North and negative East?

  • droning_in_my_ears@lemmy.world
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    Why do we have 26 letters? Why not just communicate in binary!

    01010100 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110110 01100101 01110010 01111001 00100000 01101110 01100001 01110100 01110101 01110010 01100001 01101100 00100001

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    This is just the Minecraft coordinates system and it sucks. “OK I’m at the coords, where’s the–oh fuck, it was -3002, 108 not 3002, 108.”

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    For most of human history people who couldn’t do math, or read, or understand a map, have been communicating directions to each other.

    4 directions is just enough to tell someone which way to face, without being too many to remember.

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      without being too many to remember

      People used to have no problem remembering the names of at least eight winds, depending on the direction…

      Here are the ones used in Catalonia, for instance; we were taught them at school:

      Though, to be fair, llevant means where the sun rises and ponent where it sets, migjorn means midday, which makes sense given the other two, and everyone already knew tramuntana, cause it’s a headache when it blows, so it’s mostly the other four we have to remember… the Greek one seems quite harder, though, then again, I’m not Greek…:

  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
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    Do we really need West and South when we can use negative North and negative East?

    Yes of course.

    Otherwise I couldn’t say anymore: “I am looking North and my butt is looking South”.

    And how would you even pronounce south-Southwest then? Impossible unless you are quite drunk!

    /s

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      anti-north-northeast doesn’t sound unreasonable, but that’s being logical instead of just thinking about two directions, as written in text, as OP is

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          In all cases, 2 at most.

          North
          North-north-east
          North-east
          North-east-east
          East
          Anti-north-east-east
          Anti-north-east
          Anti-north-north-east (south-north-east is impossible so the second anti would be redundant)
          Anti-north
          Anti-east-anti-north-north (reversed word order to distinguish it further)
          Anti-east-anti-north
          Anti-east-east-anti-north
          Anti-east
          Anti-east-east-north
          Anti-east-north
          Anti-east-north-north

          • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org
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            Anti-north-north-east (south-north-east is impossible so the second anti would be redundant)

            These extra complications make it even more unusable that the anti thing itself LOL

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              I was assuming a conlang situation where “north” referred more to the axis, rather than the direction.

              Anti-north-north would be more “reversed-vertical-vertical” meaning it’s reversed vertical (south), and closer to the vertical axis than the horizontal axis. North would just be “vertical” without being reversed.

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                I don’t know what you are even talking about (and too lazy to put it into a translator now).

                But I know that North and South are terms that must be usable for everybody. So, especially for such people who don’t know what you are even talking about.

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                  Essentially: it’s not designed as a change from North/East/South/West, it’s designed as a from-scratch way to refer to those directions.

                  The sun rises in the East and sets in the West, so let’s say East is “Sun” and West is “Setting-Sun.”

                  Polaris/The North Star is in the North, so let’s call that direction “Star” and the other direction “No-Star.”

                  When you say “Setting-Sun-Sun-Star,” you’re saying the direction is more similar to the path the sun takes through the sky than it is to the North Star, and in the direction the sun sets.

                  16 directions is pretty arbitrary anyway though, usually 8 is enough and then you don’t have the confusion of repeated words.

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    Just guessing here, but I would think it’s for for clarity and brevity. West and South are shorter to say and distinct enough to avoid being easily misheard causing somebody to go in the opposite direction than intended.