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US forces have seized an oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, in a major escalation of Donald Trump’s four-month pressure campaign against the South American country’s dictator, Nicolás Maduro.
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Huh, I wonder why they seized it instead of shooting it like the others? It couldn’t possibly be for the oil, right?
I mean, I know what your point is, but can we actually just be thankful that they did not in fact blow up an oil tanker and spill all that into the sea?
Just tow it outside the environment.
Into another environment.
There is nothing out there - all there is is sea, and birds, and fish.
And 20,000 tonne of burning crude oil.
That’s space bro. You’re describing outer space
Yes, I did miss this. I’ve seen that video but it’s been forever, forgot how great it is. Thank you
No. I will not thank them for seizing the ship. That’s a ludicrous suggestion.
That’s not what they said.
It’s equivalent to what they said. If someone comes over and punches you in the head should I be thankful they didn’t stab you?
You can, in fact, be thankful that you weren’t stabbed while also being upset that you were punched. Adults can have more than one emotion at a time. Never heard of a “silver lining”? It’s an idiom for a reason.
Who am I being thankful toward? Who am I giving thanks to in this specific case?
It’s equivalent to what they said.
It’s not.
And, uh, kill all of the innocent people on board. Sorry, I just feel like that should be said.
Well when I had made the comment, there was no news on whether or not they had done that anyway.
We should not be thankful to nazi shit
For sure. They shouldn’t have blown up the other boats either, but spilling the oil into the sea would certainly have been bad.
Technically the other ships they blew up spilled oil in the sea.
I can think of a few reasons why the US Navy wouldn’t want to fire high explosives into a contain full of flammable materials, depending on the range of their artillery.
Also definitely possible they’re just doing Privateer shit with Navy assets. I do wonder whether the vessel gets impounded or just escorted to a friendly port in El Salvador or Honduras and quietly re-flagged and titled.
Hegseth issuing letters of marque
They don’t really use actual artillery anymore, it would be missiles from the ship or a plane.
blowing up a tanker would cause a huge hazard to the area, spilling oil all over the ocean.
When you put it like, that, that sounds like exactly what they’d want off the coast of Venezuela right now.
Venezuelas oil infrastructure is in such bad shape, that oil spills are pretty common. Lake Maracaibo has them on a regular bases.
Starting a nonsense war under the guise of “spreading democracy” just to take their oil reserves so that rednecks back home can pollute the air and warm the earth with their oversized trucks. Can it get any more American this?
Tradition!
Let me guess… It was carrying drugs? Just packed full of cocaine? Can’t wait to hear the justification for this one.
Oil is drugs mmmkay
It is addictive…
The mere though of getting their hands on so much “free” oil made many in this Administration high.
It was carrying drugs?
This type of drug has several street names, among them, black gold and Texas tea.
Hamas actually \s
“Where’s my Nobel Peace Prize?”
All you get is a soccer peace prize.
*Football ball-fondling prize
Some random trophy from a pawn shop with a fresh coat of gold paint from a spray can should work.
Somebody give him an enlarged version of this and tell him it’s the Nobel Peace Price.
He reminds me so much of my little nephew sometimes. He’s obsessed with trophies and medals. When we’re in a store where they sell trophies, he asks me if they are “real” and i try to explain to him that trophies aren’t “real” they are just a symbol. Sometimes for nothing. And he tries to understand. And then when i ask him if i should buy him a meaningless trophy, he goes yes pleeeease, a big one.
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Petro-terrorists.
Anything’s ok as long as you ad hyphen terrorist to the person, place or thing.
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Take/blow up anything you want with this one simple trick
more like a drug tanker
Fucking terrorist country
Remember, USA is against piracy lmao
Welcome to the sixteenth century! When Queen Elizabeth couldn’t afford to go to war against Spain so created ‘letters of marque’ which legalised piracy against Spain and its empire. Single handedly created the pirate economy.
Then, welcome to the eighteenth century, when america created the fiction of the Barbary Corsairs to legalise american piracy of the atlantic trade.
Isnt it Mark Twain who states that history rhymes?
Pirates of the Caribbean!
No that was George Lucas
Fack.
I want off Mr. Bones’ Wild Ride already.
definitely not about the oil!!!
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Ruh-roh. Trump and Hegseth forgot the US has a 100% losing record against countries that start with V.
Vietnam lost over a million of its people during the US invasion and occupation. It’s all cutesy and smug to tally this as a Big L for Team USA. But I don’t think anyone in that country values the W/L record over the hundreds of thousands of family members, friends, and other loved ones who died to feed the American war machine’s rapacious appetite.
That’s before we even talk about the ecological damage that haunts Vietnam to this day. Or the deaths in Laos and Cambodia racked up in collateral. Or the tenuous diplomatic relationships between the various South Pacific neighbors based on Cold War grudges, which have re-emerged as a shooting war between Thailand and Cambodia just last month.
Also, weren’t the US armed forces prevented from going all out in Vietnam?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program#Torture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre#Killings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange#Use_in_the_Vietnam_War
Read through that and tell me what we missed.
The American military tried everything just shy of nuking Hanoi. Anyone who tells you otherwise is ignorant or trying to sell you something.
Soviet-sponsored air and naval defenses prevent North Vietnam from being saturation bombarded at the scale we inflicted on North Korea a decade earlier. Americans were largely confined to combat against insurgencies in the South. So much of the war was fought against the civilian population that the Americans were ostensibly there to protect from the villainous Communists.
But the idea that we simply didn’t use enough troops or sufficiently advanced weaponry or brutal tactics… that’s all reactionary mythology. If skinning half the population alive would have won the war, we’d have done it. A far more compelling argument is that Americans alienated the entire peninsula with our “all out” invasion (not unlike how we ended up alienating the bulk of the Afghan population following our '02 invasion). A subtler and more strategic approach - like our efforts to stand up anti-communist governments in The Philippines and Indonesia - seemed to have far better results in hindsight.
Are we talking about the same Indonesia where the USA funded and installed a Pro-US puppet government who basically sold out the country to US property development?
I guess that’s better than the country being torn apart by war, but it got torn apart none-the-less.
Are we talking about the same Indonesia where the USA funded and installed a Pro-US puppet government who basically sold out the country to US property development?
I guess that’s better than the country being torn apart by war, but it got torn apart none-the-less.
It is nearly non-existent in US History textbooks, which is a big fat “W” from the perspective of the capitalist-friendly intelligence services.
Actually the US has a shockingly short list of wars they have outright won where they were NOT part of an international coalition.
VCanada
So we are Iran now. Lol this country has fallen so low.
The time Iran stole a US oil tanker was in response to the US stealing one of their oil tankers.
This is how America has always acted.
USA does the most USA thing ever
Lemmitors: WHAT ARE WE, BROWN PEOPLE??!!
I like how you went straight for color of people when no one is talking about color.
Good job!! Next time let’s talk about religion as well since you know, fuck it.
Yes, just now.
USA turns into Taliban country. Taliban originaly is “political and militant organization with an ideology comprising elements of the Deobandi movement of Islamic fundamentalism and Pashtun nationalism”, now is just “political and militant organization with an ideology comprising elements of the MAGA movement of Evangelical fundamentalism and WASP nationalism”
USA doing the most USA thing possible
Lemmitor: WHAT ARE WE, A BUNCH OF MUSLIMS?!!
Oilllll
Lemmings
Taliban
Remember when the CIA funded and armed what became the Taliban?
Remember when the CIA had their guy running the Taliban?
Who was there guy that ran it? Never heard that one before.
Oh, maybe I’m conflating the Taliban with Al-Qaeda a bit (and [for the next part of this] maybe even ISIS too a bit? idk) ~ I’m no Whitney Webb for this stuff, so do use several websearch engines likely to be honest about this stuff for yourself, but…
Tim Osman? (Whom you may know by another name.)
Then after that there was that guy they once called a terrorist, then put a suit on and invited to the white house… I’m terrible with names… was it… Ahmed al-Sharaa/Abu Mohammad al-Julani?
Hard to keep track if not paying close attention.
Hard to keep paying close attention after seeing the same old ploys and fakery played out over and over.
“Pick up the gun”
“You all saw him. He had a gun.”
Tom Hanks.
Y’all Queda
Jesus Christ trump fie already you old fuck
Surprised they didn’t just blow it up. I guess we’re doing piracy now.
Actually, hearing about this, I’m now surprised that our military didn’t stop the fishing boats first to siphon all of the gasoline out of their tanks before blowing them up and murdering their crew.
Edit: but for oil
Always have been
Well at least we know the real reason for the murders now. Why it it always the most greedy, predictable cause?
Dude has been saying for 20 years that we should’ve stolen Iraq’s oil. Yet somehow everyone acts surprised when he does pretty predictable things like this.
