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Kidnapped. The word is kidnapped.
Harris didn’t spend enough time taking about her policies though.
And that laugh!
I hear she once ordered Dijon mustard
Not relevant she was also an american imperialist she made that clear.
Yes, the fascist orange Nazi pedophile with dementia was a much better choice.
Did I say anything even remotely like that?
We’re in a thread talking about the only other choice we had for president vs Trump, because of what Trump is doing as president, and you’re going “well aCkShYuALLy” about it.
When faced with two choices (which itself is a problem that needs to be addressed), the American people picked the fascist pedophile over “woman who laughs weird” (something the GOP actually tried to use against her during their campaign).
she was also an american imperialist she made that clear.
If you’ve got any proof of that claim, lay it out for us. As someone who does not pledge allegiance to any politician in any way, shape, or form whatsoever, I would be very interested to see what you’ve got.
People who didn’t vote for Harris didn’t choose Trump, they just rejected Harris.
You don’t get to propose Nazi light as an alternative to Nazi pro and demand people vote for her, which is what happened.
If she was a viable candidate, people would have voted for her. He won by the toss of a coin, because people wanted neither.
People who didn’t vote for Harris didn’t choose Trump, they just rejected Harris.
This is part of why the 2-party system we’re currently stuck with is so problematic.
And you don’t fix it by shrugging and participating in it.
No you are in a thread about numerous war crimes that led to the kidnapping of a country’s leader and overthrow of a sovereign nation. As well as the plundering of the wealth for an entire country.
The well aCtUALly here is people sidelining the war crimes discussion into an endless debate about red and blue. The factv is basically every US president since WW2 has been guilty of war crimes and all americans can do is argue about red and blue.
She made it clear she was an imperialist by refusing to condemn a genocide that was being carried out with US weapons and sold to the genocidal regime under her tenure as vice president.
To be clear Trump is a pedophile rapist war criminal as well. Please dont dismiss me as an apologist for either of them.
If you’ve got any proof of that claim, lay it out for us
How about her talking about making sure that rhe USA would have the most lethal armed forces in the planet?
Again - that is a claim. Bring a source next time.
Would you have supported her if she said “I think America should have like, C- tier fighting force, and old military hardware”?
yes you absolutely did
No but it’s more emotionally satisfying if we simplify what you said to that.
So he truely believes he runs the whole world… If anyone is about to start ww3 anytime soon … it’s him.
Don’t be ridiculous. FIFA doesn’t just hand out their prestigious, respected peace prize to anyone.
Ok this cracked me up 😂
I would argue we’re already in WW3 it’s just not a full on “hot” world war quiet yet, this might do it though
It won’t. Venezuela isn’t a member of BRICS or anything. They’re a member of OPEC, but that’s an economic cartel, not a military alliance. They don’t have the necessary allies to come to their aid to turn it into a world war.
OPEC managed to fuck United States up pretty bad back in the 70s.
We’re in the Anschluss and Munich Agreement stages of WW3.
Literally, this has been standard US imperialism for the better part of a century.
The US inherited it from the British, there were people already living here. They have been invading sovereign nations in the name of the US since independence.
When exactly do you think the US colonial rebellion happened?
The 1700s. Whereas the last skirmishes of the Indian Wars ended after WWI. Europeans invaded the sovereign nations that were already here and then the US, after independence, continued to expand westward into places where people already lived.
It ended in 1783, howbout you go reread my comment and do some math.
Howbout you go reread their comment and do some math.
The Wounded Knee Massacre which ended tribal resistance and completed the conquest of their land happened in 1890, and then the “Renegade period” went on until 1924.
Holy fucking shit too many of you talk about shit you do not understand. The US is still occupying those lands and intends to eradicate Native American nations. If you also actually read my comment, you’d see that the person above was trying to explain something (inadequately) that was outside the scope of what I was addressing.
Fucking some of you have to develop humility jfc.
Leader of the free world has quite a history, full of violations of other countries sovereignty.
What. The. Fuck?
Guess the USA really is a rabid dog that we have to put down 🤷♀️
glassed, the correct term is to glass
The USA is an oppressing force, not the land and people. Youre going to glass Native American land?
What better way than to keep it in pristine condition forever.
"We invaded sovereign soil, going after oil
Taking countries is a hobby paid for by the oil lobby
Same as in Iraq and Afghanistan
And Ahmadinejad say they coming for Iran
They only love the rich and how they loathe the poor
If I say any more they might be at my door."
Killer Mike - Reagan
This is insane…
Oil. The US needs heavy crude.
Manifest Destiny, puppet edition.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer person.
However it means Trump accidentally did something right, which will make him even more insufferable. And he might get ideas of doing it to other countries.
Them boots taste good?
You mean Maduro’s boots? There’s a reason 90% of Venezuelans out there are celebrating regardless of what happens next. Taking out a dictator is a good thing even if it ends in civil war.
There’s a reason 90% of Venezuelans out there are celebrating regardless of what happens next.
[Citation needed]
See these picture from “exiles” in Florida being shared everywhere.
There are around 29M citizens in Venezuela. And around 330,000 people of Venezuelans decent in Florida. Even if 100% of the ladder agreed, that wouldn’t even account for 1.5% of the Venezuelan population. Why does their opinion matter more than that of the 29M people who are actually there?
They don’t that was meant to be my point but I was truthfully unclear.
You’re getting downvoted, but what I’ve heard of the occasion is basically this. It’s upsetting because Trump absolutely did something horrendous - but this time to a horrendous person. It’s definitely a case of him trying to apply abuses to justify abuses.
Would you describe China attacking North Korea or Cambodia or another SE Asian dictatorship to depose their leadership as “accidentally doing something right”?
Yes absolutely
People dragging you for supporting the fall of North Korea is some unhinged tankie shit.
Stay sane; ignore the .ml brigade.
“Anyone who doesn’t agree with me is a tankie”
That’s a truly bad-faith take.
My stance is that anyone who supports the sovereignty of the Kim Jong Un regime is a tankie.
The how does matter. You can appreciate the removal of a despot and still oppose unilateral regime change by force–especially one so explicitly motivated by resource exploitation. This is very different from the UN-sanctioned and NATO-led intervention that deposed Gaddafi.
I completely agree with you on all of those points. The present Venezuela invasion is totally heinous in my book.
Acting like Xi invading North Korea is the same thing as VZ is where I totally disagree with you.
Assuming the Chinese were to make a modicum of effort to prevent mass famine, I see the possible humanitarian boon as outweighing the international-relations consequences. Or to frame it differently, the crimes against humanity that North Korea has committed give China a valid casus belli.
I would call it intentionally right, Xi should take out the Kim family
And get rid of the buffer to a democracy in their own backyard? Yea, Xi is gonna get right on that.
How can we justify staying in Venezuela?
Calling for immediate snap elections, then returning Maduro for trial in Venezuela? Okay. That’d be one thing.
But basically annexing the country?
Staying would be a really, really bad idea. Venezuelans massively hate Maduro, but a military occupation would be a different thing. The best course of action would be to allow Edmundo González, the closest thing to a legitimately elected president, to return and take over leadership until further political reform can be done, followed by new elections.
Unfortunately this is Trump we’re talking about. He’ll find a way to fuck it up no doubt.
Oh yes this is “right” imperialism is your goal i guess.
Honestly, having oil reserves is a national security issue at this point. Until they find a way to cheaply ruin oil reserves, no country is safe from the US.
If you want to defeat us, peace hasn’t worked but starvation sure as hell will.
just light em on fire /s
I am not seeing enough Star Wars memes in my feed after this.
Maduro Leia and Trump Vader would be a start.
Such a crude justification for taking over a country
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