Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Beijing cannot accept any country acting as the “world’s judge” after the United States captured Venezuela’s President Nicolas Maduro.
The world’s second-largest economy has provided Venezuela with an economic lifeline since the U.S. and its allies ramped up sanctions in 2017, purchasing roughly $1.6 billion worth of goods in 2024, the most recent full-year data available.
Almost half of China’s purchases were crude oil, customs data shows, while its state-owned oil giants had invested around $4.6 billion in Venezuela by 2018, according to data from the American Enterprise Institute think tank, which tracks Chinese overseas corporate investment.
And china are right in this case. They’re just also assholes
Marjorie Taylor Green posted about how invading Venezuela is a terrible idea.
I hate it when I agree with Marjorie Taylor Green.
that’s perfect. chef’s kiss.
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Well, international law is meaningless. As trump has just shown us.
Iraq was long before tramp
At least with Iraq the US pretended to be following international norms. The presented lies to the UN to justify their actions, they gathered allies into a “coalition.”
I can’t believe how you make their point better for them.
It was always a farce.
Fuck the US.
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Sanctions against US like the ones against Russia.
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In spite of many of its economic and military misadventures, China hasn’t invaded anyone as of yet.
That distinction is still important or else v shud sanction every country.
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well not invaded anyone of recent. the last official one would be the short one in vietnam after vietnam ended the Khmer Rouge. this of course was nearly half a century ago though, so a lot of poeple online wouldn’t recall it because it wouldn’t be part of their generation.
China is already sanctionned. There is no sanctions on the United Snakes
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And Putin with Ukraine. And Xi with Hong Kong.
You’re getting downvotes but it might be because some people are surprised that Xi Jingping would support Trump but I’ve gathered some evidence it might be true.
For starters we look at TikTok. Regarding TikTok this article is the most damning: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/how-tiktok-courted-conservatives-before-trumps-win (archive/non-paywall: https://archive.is/TUjo9)
The top leaders pushed through content moderation changes that made TikTok more accepting of some conservative views on the fairness of elections or transgender rights, including by updating policies on banned content or enforcing them differently.
I hate the way they worded that. What they really mean is allowing the big lie (false claims the 2020 election was rigged) and transphobia.
See: https://www.theverge.com/politics/656717/trump-tiktok-ban-maga-influencers (archive link: https://archive.is/DMOLf)
MAGA influencers also view TikTok as a relatively reliable platform to publish pro-Trump content without fear that their accounts will get demonetized, restricted, or worse, deactivated.
Also see: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maga-republicans-defend-tiktok-conservative-platform-fate-hangs-balance-supreme-court (archive link: https://archive.is/RGBC8)
“Trump won the election because he listened to first-time voters like myself and joined TikTok to get his message to us directly,” RNC Youth Advisory Council Chair Brilyn Hollyhand told Fox News Digital of the impending ban.
President Donald Trump “pleaded” with China’s Xi Jinping during a 2019 summit to help his reelection prospects, according to a scathing new book by former Trump adviser John Bolton that accuses the president of being driven by political calculations when making national security decisions.
Then we cannot forget about all the Chinese bots who post online. “China is pushing divisive political messages online using fake U.S. voters” https://www.npr.org/2024/09/03/nx-s1-5096151/china-tiktok-x-fake-voters-influence-campaign Says it very clearly. They used the same strategy Russia did.
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I think I know what you’re talking about! The people who pretend to be “far-left”, socialist or communist but for some bizarre reason they keep supporting Russia.
I had an experience with one of those people recently. I asked one of those people point blank do you support Trump and they completely dogged the question. Clicking on profiles of these types of people I notice they also never denounce Trump or Republicans or do so very rarely.
I actually deeply regretfully used to be somewhat of a Trump supporter so now I’m very sensitive to people who may be secretly Trump supporters or those who have similar characteristics. Those “tankie” type people really peg my MAGA-meter. It’s almost like when someone has an abusive ex they tend to notice certain things more afterwards (I wish I could word this sentence better but hopefully people can understand).
Ultimately what makes tankies and MAGA similar even if they are not secretly supporting Trump or a bot is belief persistence when there is contrary and reputable evidence and belief in conspiracy theories. Part of what helped me escape MAGA is media literacy and realizing that if someone presents reputable information that contradicts what I believe, I should change my beliefs not plug my ears and regurgitate conspiracy theories based on some random comment like a screenshot of a screenshot of a 4chan post or just saying nonsense like “I don’t trust the MSM”.
China shares an interest with Russia in weakening the US and Europe.
putin was quite happy to declare this multipolar law-free world. I hope he at least enjoys it, because I won’t.
Why? Maduro is such small beans compared to them? It’s low hanging fruit.
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If it came out that Trump, Maduro, Putin, and Xi Jinping all conspired
I think it’s more likely that Trump asked what he could get away with regarding seizing a bunch of money from another country, and Venezuela was a low-risk, high-reward.
Not as much as America tho.
People often forget all the countries America has bombed and destabilized in the past.
Worse, a “world judge” that doesn’t accept the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court.
“We make the rules, but rules don’t apply to us.”
Even going so far as planning in details how to invade the International Criminal Court, if it ever dared to prosecute one of their soldiers for, say, murdering children in the streets.
That sounds an awful lot like Wilhoit’s law, which I find myself referring to quite often lately.
Wilhoit’s law:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
edit: So the US is the rich conservative of the world stage. Super. I love seeing the news every day and wondering if any more of these maga morons are going to finally have their “are we the baddies?” moment. /s
If only they said the same about Ukraine and Taiwan
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Americans don’t even know all the countries America has annexed in the past. Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, Cuba. But you guys are obsessed with Taiwan. Free these countries first then have an opinion about Taiwan.
Whataboutism. I can criticize the actions of past and present Americans AND criticize the actions of China. Bad things the US has done doesn’t give a free pass to China to do bad things.
It kind of does. It’s called shifting the overton window.
2000 years ago, Isaac married Rebekah when she was only 3 years old. King David married Abishag when she was 12. Pedophilia was common back then so everyone was doing it.
You are just full on CCP ain’t ya. Share your thoughts on Tiananmen Square.
Care to share your thoughts?
And now I’m agreeing with China.
Thanks, Trump.
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Two things can be true at once
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Kay, I’m not chinese or american, so, both the us and china do horrendous things. It’s not a shittiness competition
As an American I can say that the US and China are both bad…
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I think you’re missing a lot of US History in your knowledge base. The US have committed atrocities for centuries. Are you forgetting the genocide of native americans? Slavery? All the meddling in Latin America and southeast Asia? This is just some of the bigger examples.
False equivalency and a fascist talking point
No, and no.
Alright. The US acted like crap. Therefore nobody is allowed to criticise China.
Because of the US, we are not allowed to speak about the Uyghur KZs in China.
Because of the US, we are not allowed to criticise China for unlawfully occupying Tibet.
Because of the US, we are not allowed to criticise China for not respecting Taiwans sovereignty.
Do you understand how hollow you sound?
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Americans still associate China with shit quality merchandise while glossing over that that merchandise is made shit quality because American Importers selected that level of quality and completely ignoring that they make I Phones and other High quality tech.
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China is an authoritarian dictatorship that tramples human rights and treats its citizens like resources and speed-bumps and treats “free speech” as the joke it actually is.
if you switched “China” to “The USA” in this sentence, I would have to find details to see if the scale is different but both do exactly the same
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I agree… but my point here is that it does not matter it was China who said “x”, in this instance “x” is right and people are dismissing it because “cHiNA” but the reality is that every country, powerful enough, acts pretty much the same so I am attempting to split the source from the message
Three what now? Do you mean three modules for one station? Or three consecutive stations, one testing technology for the next? E.g. a short time station, e.g. a crew vehicle? I am only aware of one station, Tiangong. Do I have to do another web search? :(
There’s just the one.
It can only house three people.
Yeah, that is what I thought. Still, I was impressed when they launched it as announced.
He may have meant one space station and some extra moon missions or something? They have been popping off a fair bit.
Honestly, I don’t care what country dominates and wins the space race, i will just be impressed that we don’t kill each other trying.
I would prefer for it to be an international cooperation - but we’re just fucking this up big time :/
I feel like that astronaut ‘always-has-been’ meme would drop pretty hard right now
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- I don’t think monster is an appropriate word for a space station.
- so yeah, Tiangong-1 & -2 were single vehicle modules for technology evaluation. Similar to Skylab in concept (single launch, test docking technologies & crewed missions)
- as impressive as the Chinese space program is, the ISS is substantially bigger. Sadly, the world has not gotten their shit together in time for a follow-up station, and Gateway is pretty much dead-at-conception.
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No argument there. China definitely has the better and more advanced space program. The ISS might get extended again if it doesn’t break and once people realize there is nothing comparable ready by 2030/31, but yes, eventually, there will be no international nor western space station in orbit for the foreseeable future.
So what if they do a little authoritarianism? They are attempting to make goddamn fusions reactors, for fucks sake
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What do you think of China‘s Invasion of Korea and Vietnam around the same time?
Invasion of Korea lmao. The north had democratic elections, the south had a sham election that resulted in an administration which put people who’d colluded with the japanese back into power, and the US was literally murdering anyone left of Syngman Rhee as a prelude to taking the rest of the peninsula.
Whatever you think about Korea now, China was absolutely fighting for the liberation of its people.
The sino-vietnamese war was 25 years later, and a much more legitimate criticism of China’s foreign policy.
How about Kuwait?
I assume you mean when Saddam, with the US’s weapons and blessing, invaded Kuwait, then was shocked the US betrayed their old friend?
If so, I have absolutely no idea how its relevant to China.
Was from a comment up a bit.
Also Wat? US blessing of the invasion?
according to data from the American Enterprise Institute
Don’t ask who pays their bills
While I agree you always need to look at who is saying what and what their motivations are, China has been investing in Venezuela, just as they have in many other countries.
Investing in Venezuela instead of sanctioning them until they bow to your will? Terrible.
The largest outside investment in Venezuela has come from California based multinationals. China’s a very recent entrant into the Venezuelan market, owing in large part to the rising tide of US sanctions that prevents western businesses from doing the kind of trade they were already enthusiastic about.
Incidentally, the American Enterprise Institute operates as a lobbyist on behalf of many of those California businesses.
Nobody is crying wolf here, this is just a statement of imports and exports based on publicly available data giving context to China’s interests in the region. Is admitting that China works for their own geopolitical interests too much for you? We’re now down to dismissing public customs and OPEC data because engaging in foreign economic interests is a little too close to American imperialism for comfort?
The anus calling the butthole an asshole situation here.
China is nowhere near a terrorist as America.
Every regime change America has done in another country and installed a puppet, their economic situation never improved under the puppet leader.
They’re both pretty shit tbh. But also, Tiennamen Square lol
You’re gonna compare one bad thing done by China to hundreds done by America and claim both are equally bad lmao
More of a joke, really. Both countries have committed countless atrocities.
No, count them, by all means.
Oh you’re right, Hitler A is a liiiittle bit worse than Hitler B.
“Little bit worse”, “countless”, “big beautiful bill”, are you an American? If so, it really shows the USA barely maintains a Department of Education. If not, jeez, MAGA hats are everywhere.
Fucking lol, with this sino propaganda.
Stfu cia shill
How exactly am I a CIA shill? This is the kind of shit that makes people not take you seriously at all.
“Everyone must be a shill because they disagree with me!!”
I’m equally critical of both the US hegemony as well as that of China’s.
I’m saying China hasn’t bombed nearly as many countries as America. Yet China is evil and America good.
Take a moment to understand what you’re arguing here. China not bombing an equal number of countries (according to you) as the US does not absolve the PRC of their sins simply because you are comparing them to another imperial power. This is, like, textbook false equivalence.
You still haven’t answered exactly how I’m a CIA shill, btw.
China and America are the two biggest economies and armies of the world. It’s a fair comparison. Soon the world will have to choose between America and China.
It’s not “according to me”. History is proof of America’s terrorism. China hasn’t bombed a single country in over a century.
Sanction them then?
“cannot accept” = asking them nicely to stop. It’s a nothing burger
China will do something better, replace the dollar as the reserve currency. That will result in the fall of America crushed by its own debt, same reason Britain fell.
The US dollar is used for 53% of the world’s reserve currency. China’s Renminbi is 2%. It’s a fun thought, but no. If anything, the Euro at 18.4% has a better shot.
Britain ruled more than half of the globe at its peak. No one thought it would ever fall. But here we are.
No one would have imagined Chinese cars dominating the world 10 years ago, but here we are.
Don’t look at where they are, but where they’re going.
I never said USD won’t ever fall. Holy shit, you guys can’t read. Your love for China absolutely blinds you.
Your gate for China absolutely blinds you. You have no idea how much CIA has propagandised you.
The internet was invented by the American military. You don’t think they would use it to influence you?
I am fully aware of how horrible the US government is. If you weren’t so blinded by your own misguided passion, you’d have seen that.
lol, if you’re not chinese, wealthy, and in the party you’re not in the club.
If you’re not ultra wealthy you’re also not in the club today, so i’m sure you won’t see much of a change between one regime and another, unless you’re an ‘undesirable’ that comes to find yourself in the sphere of influence of china anyway.
I don’t care about being rich, I just want the terrorist empire to fall
Hey we can knock off all the big empires and let the cartels take over. Get beheadings, stonings and other crude execution methods back in the civilized world. Bring us all down to the same level.
We can have women accused of whatever bullshit and get the rape gangs going. I hear it’s all the rage in Pakistan.
Maybe we can get Maduro in there so that he can send his goons in to rape anyone who speaks out against his rule. They don’t care if you are a man, woman, adult or child- but this is a thing that happens to those who are against him. Have you asked any Venezuelans about that before?
I don’t think what the US does is right. I just envision the world you are pushing for. It’s horrific. Even more so than the billions suffering every day today.
Would be nice if enough normal, kind people banded together and started a world government with some teeth… but human nature is to take advantage for oneself. It’ll never happen. Once we’re extinct maybe the next intelligent life will succeed where we failed. It’s a kill or be killed world as long as humanity is in charge.
It would appear that the US got tired of all the jokes comparing them to the movie Idiocracy, so they decided to make themselves into Team America: World Police instead.
All of this has happened before. All of this will happen again.
:(
Found the Cylon.
No toasters in these parts, my fellow biological human.
I mean…that’s why that movie was made to begin with…
Trey Parker and Matt Stone should make the movie free for the week in honor of Team America World Police being back in action.
Swap police with gangsters and i agree.
China is the world’s largest economy by every meaningful metric. No serious economist uses GDP as a metric for actual economic production. Can we please at least use GDP (PPP)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
It’s still not a good metric but at least it actually allows a means to compare countries to one another more accurately.
The US economy is 10 major tech corporations doing essentially this with AI right now.
Naw, OpenAi pays oracle to agree to eat the crap Oracle pays nvidia to agree to eat the crap Nvidia pays OpenAi to agree to eat the crap
The consumers eat the crap as they reduce the memory and video cards available to the public.
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No serious economist uses GDP as a metric for actual economic production. Can we please at least use GDP (PPP)?
In terms of flexing on foreign countries on the international stage, though, raw GDP (or at least imports and exports) is pretty important.
The PPP calculation comparing China to the United States may tell us a lot about how much a resident of either country can expect to experience using the local currency domestically, but if we’re talking about influence over a third country, in that third country’s local currency, then I think each respective PPP back home doesn’t matter as much.
If we’re not comparing the ability of a citizen to buy things with the fruit of their labor. What are we comparing?
I get what you’re saying. But it comes down to a fundamental problem with liberal (using the classical sense of the word) economist and what they are “flexing” about.
The “economy” to the average voter is how much the groceries and rent are.
Not even mentioning the “eating shit” problem of GDP. GDP PPP is far more meaningful to quality of life. Though still flawed. The normal person isn’t trying to understand the power of a currency on the world stage. They are using it to buy eggs.
If we’re not comparing the ability of a citizen to buy things with the fruit of their labor. What are we comparing?
In this particular case? I think we’re comparing Chinese and American ability to project economic influence (from trade or aid, to outright bribes or coercion or boycotts or sanctions or everything in between) over Venezuela.
The normal person
But the normal person has nothing to do with governments dealing with other governments on the global stage. And that’s what this story is about, Venezuela being caught between two competing visions of their future in the international order.
If a country wants to build an airport in their capital city using the resources of foreign governments seeking to influence them, the question isn’t about how many eggs the citizens of those countries can buy in their home turf, but about how much concrete and steel and heavy machinery those other countries can provide in the country considering offers.
Do you think America competes at all in its ability to produce heavy machinery, concrete, and steel when compared to China?
We are far beyond the GDP vs. GDP(PPP) that started this. But, you brought it up. The US’s main problem is it’s lack of industrial production. It’s an almost entirely finance based economy. Which is something that causes its GDP to be heavily inflated. The AI companies trading the same billions in a circle with no actual material production happening in the country right now. The US economy is built on financial speculation. China’s is built on industrial production. Something GDP doesn’t account for at all.
That was my entire frustration with using GDP as a metric in the first place. I said “at least use GDP(PPP)” because at least it takes into account the populations purchasing power of goods.
On the world stage, as an economic power, the US is losing to China. It’s why it’s using its military to invade South American countries that trade with China. It has no real way to compete. So it’s falling back on it’s methods of imperialism.
We are far beyond the GDP vs. GDP(PPP) that started this.
No, you started talking about PPP in response to a news story that described the United States and China competing over influence over the Venezuelan economy: Chinese aid and investment in response to United States sanctions. Those are essentially going to be dollar denominated, and PPP doesn’t matter. I’ve been saying from the beginning that you were wrong to bring PPP into the discussion, because this discussion, in this thread, isn’t about domestic consumption in either China or the U.S.
The US’s main problem is it’s lack of industrial production.
Again, when talking about the effects of sanctions and foreign aid and investment, we should be talking about transactions that occur in the currency at issue. If China wants to provide aid to Venezuela in RMB, Venezuela will either need to spend that on Chinese producers or exchange for another currency to spend elsewhere (including Venezuelan Bolivars being spent domestically). If there’s going to be a currency exchange, then PPP of the aid providing nation doesn’t matter. A million USD from China is worth the exact same amount as a million USD from the U.S.
On the world stage, as an economic power, the US is losing to China.
I think if we’re talking about on the world stage, as an economic power, the interconnected West is best understood as a power bloc. U.S. inconsistency and unpredictability on things like Russian sanctions actually show the limits of U.S. unilateral power while still showing the power of the broader Western order. Yes, China and Russia want to provide the world with an alternative multipolar order, and fragmentation of the Western powers may open up opportunities for that vision, but that competition is playing out along alliances, not isolated nations. In any event, PPP doesn’t have anything to do with that particular competition.
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. I’m not going to bang my head against the wall trying to explain it to you. But I’ll give it one more shot.
The fact that you see PPP as only relevant in a bubble inside the country is just idiotic. China PRODUCES things. Literally most of its aid and initiatives are in the form of resources and infrastructure projects. There is no USD involved. That’s literally the entire Belt and Road project.
I’m sorry. But it seems like you’re trying to project what you know about US trade and neoliberal economic policies onto China. You clearly know enough about US trade and how it uses the dollar for dominance on world markets. But China doesn’t have to play that game anymore. That’s literally the shift in global economic trade that has happened. The world is not being held hostage by US dollar dominance anymore. They have an alternative in China.
And PPP is a much better means of showing why this is. It’s BECAUSE China actually makes shit. It’s not just a finance and consumption economy. It makes stuff more affordable for its population AND it’s able to use this same massive industrial power to work on industrial projects with other countries.
You are explaining a world that existed 20-30 years ago.
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
I think that’s right. To summarize, here’s where I think we agree and disagree:
We agree: GDP is not a particularly good metric for measuring international economic influence.
We disagree: You think adjusting GDP by PPP makes it better for this context, and I think that adjustment makes it even worse.
We agree: Exports matter for discussing economic power on the international stage.
We disagree: I think imports and investment also matter. You clearly don’t, by dismissing them as mere consumption and financial engineering.
We agree: United States economic power overseas is in decline, including in the hegemony of the US Dollar, and its importance/influence through organizations like the World Bank, IMF, WTO, or even things like the SWIFT banking network.
We disagree: I think the United States is still much, much stronger than China on global economic influence. The lines may cross, where China overtakes the United States, but I think that would be in the future, whereas your comment suggests you believe those lines crossed in the past.
In the end, a country like Venezuela wants to sell barrels of oil to buyers, for a good price. That means things like U.S. sanctions (especially when enforced by the entire west) will hurt more than Chinese aid helps. At least as of 2026.
China has 4x the population of the US. It should have 4x the GDP of the US to be truly equivalent.
You might want to let the people that studied econ beyond a lemonade stand just talk next time. You don’t need to type out every thought in your head.
You just gave the ultimate dumb guy response. Congratulations.
We’re discussing Calculus and you just responded with “yeah, well 2 + 2 = 4. I don’t know why those letters are in your math with that weird squiggly line at the start.”.
You clearly have no idea what we’re even discussing in this thread.
We agree, so let’s discuss the Chinese police stations in countries that are clearly not China.
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At least the host country agreed to those
There’s real things to criticize, why pick something stupid?
Ahahah. The host country agreed to those. That’s priceless…
same way I agree to give up my wallet when getting mugged?
Yeah… Maybe ask the good folks of Okinawa whether they have ever agreed to American military bases.
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Sweet summer child
Hard power is often leveraged by state actors to coerce agreement / consent. It doesn’t necessarily invalidate consent but it certainly obscures it.
After WW2 Japan and Germany, for example, were not in a position to say no to US bases. I wouldn’t consider that legitimate consent.
Agreement under duress isn’t really agreement
This also gives justification to North Korea. They’ve been arguing for ages that they should be allowed nuclear weapons because otherwise the US would come in and force a regime change, and now Trumpsky has just handed them the evidence.
All that NK artillery was the real deterrent. Before NK developed Nukes, after the cold war the US could have relatively easily crushed them except for the incredible amount of collateral damage they could have done to SK. However, in the post Ukraine/Trump presidency age, securing a stock of nukes or joining a defense coalition that includes at least one member with nukes seems like the wise decision. Heart breaking really.
The US could also have easily crushed the Vietnamese./s
Well… yeah, we could have.
If war was literally as simple as “kill the other person and damn the consequences” the US could have casually wiped out the viet cong at pretty much any point during the war. The political consequences for doing so were the limiting factor - an extreme example, but we could have just nuked north vietnam to glass and been done with it (and obviously that wasn’t a realistic option (despite the number of times some psycho general or the other tried to advocate for it)).
If war was literally as simple as “kill the other person and damn the consequences” the US could have casually wiped out the viet cong at pretty much any point during the war.
They tried that towards the end, sending B-52s to carpet bomb Hanoi. Dozens of planes were shot down, hundreds survived, thousands of civilians were killed. If the US continued, they would have managed to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians, but eventually they’d run out of planes before the Vietnamese ran out of people or willingness to defend themselves.
They escalated, yes - absolutely not denying that. But the point was that they didn’t just nuke the city. Winning was important, but there was a point that the consequences of winning were deemed to outweigh the victory itself.
“we coulda won but we just didn’t feel like it.”
Not a very convincing argument.
That’s an oversimplification to the point that it really doesn’t represent my argument at all, though. But to treat with what you said, I’m not sure how
The US didn’t “feel” like winning the war was so important it justified nuking north vietnam
is a bad representation of the situation? The US didn’t drop sarin on the ho chi minh trail, nor did they nuke Hanoi, mobilize full wartime production, draft the “desirables” etc. Politics are a massive part of any war. “An army marches on it’s stomach” isn’t simply a literal adage about the importance of supplies.
The key difference, for those unfamiliar with Asia or history, is that South Korea is a cohesive modern nation with a competent military and a strong sense of national identity that feel genuine friendship with the US (for now at least). All things that weren’t true about South Vietnam.
South Korea was essentially invented by the US in 1947, it took trillions in investment, and decades of propaganda+imprisoning/killing everyone left of Sygmon Rhee to create the nation of South Korea…
I think you’re giving the US way too much credit here. They helped south korea establish itself with a massive investment, but they didn’t “invent” the country, and its pretty insulting to south koreans that you’re so willing to take away their agency in the matter.
There literally was no South Korea, just Korea before the US drew a line on a map.
if i remember correctly, the north koreans also had a role to play in drawing that map, seeing as how the north korean army was pushed all the way north to china’s border.
How is that pertinent to whether or not the US had the capacity to best NK militarily in the 90s?
China should dump all of its U.S. treasuries
They literally can’t. Nor can the US dump theirs.
The US, the EU, and China are economically tied to one another. One of the reasons there hasn’t been a shooting war between the East and West is how much we depend on the other’s economy. Without foreign backed assets, there’s nothing to trade against.
Chinese made goods are bought with American dollars. If they’re not putting them back in to the US, there’s no need to take them in the first place. And then who, exactly, would China be making all that crap for?
They literally can’t.
That really hasn’t stopped the US government recently.
They must’ve not watchec this completely true documentary.
The other day i was explaining my (teenager) kids how it was in the early 2000s and instead of a history lesson, i watched this with them. One of the best summariesof that age.
Imagine how much Freedom™ costs now with all the inflation?
All we know is: it isn’t free :)
Wait, didn’t they just say it was a good template for Taiwan?
In any case, Mainland China still wants to supplant the US as a world power, so any failings of the Americans will be advantageous to Chinese regardless of its own domestic issues, as it does business with mostly countries rejected by the Americans as “enemy states” and undeserving of its support.
edit: To that particular someone who says to the contrary believing Americans remain strong, the Mainlanders still have their presence known in my country, especially as far as trade is concerned; walk into any street market and Mainland goods are cheap and present in huge volumes, and to boycott their goods will be next to impossible, having completely captured my country’s market.
China obviously doesn’t give af about supplanting the US as a world power. If they did they would actually do stuff internationally. There is no Chinese equivalent to NATO. All they will do in regards to Venezuelan president being kidnapped is strongly condemn it. They won’t even offer PSUV any security guarantees. Literally all the Chinese government believes in is (1) trading with as many people as possible and (2) reuniting its breakaway territories. They have no ambitions beyond that. It is not true that China does business mostly with countries rejected by the Americans, but it does business with literally everyone. Chinese love to trade with everyone. While Americans media constantly criticizes China on every calling for regime change attacking their political system their leaders etc, the only time you ever hear criticism of the US on Chinese media is when the US does something that is viewed as harming trade, like the tariffs.
TIL BRICS doesn’t exist.
Multipolarity bros really need to stop fantasizing about BRICS being some sort of anti-imperialist military alliance It’s just delusion, BRICS isn’t a military bloc, it is about trade. It technically isn’t even a trading bloc either as it is literally just a forum to discuss trade relations. If you think any member of BRICS has defense obligations to one another then you are incredibly disconnected from reality.
Tell it to Tibet, ya clanker
The British Empire, whistling innocently.
Your whataboutism is immaculate, but I’m not sure you’re actually helping here, Lockwarden.
whataboutism Lockwarden
So you know the greater context then, of the British in Tibet, at the very least.
brics is a total joke. one of the biggest member of brics is friends with everyone internationally.
Then why is China building aircraft carriers?
You are unbelievably retarded. Sure, you Red Scare propagandist moron, China is totally building aircraft carriers for the purpose of fighting the USA in Venezuela. How stupid are the people of Lemmy? This place is even more braindead McCarthyite idiocy than Reddit World News. 我想，只要我继续使用英语论坛，就无法摆脱美国的极端民族主义者。
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