• cron@feddit.org
      39·
      1 month ago

      It doesn’t really look like a “complete withdrawal within 3 hours”.

      Donald Trump warns Venezuela’s new leader Delcy Rodríguez she could “pay a very big price, probably bigger than Maduro” if she “doesn’t do what’s right”

      Quote source: bbc live reporting

    • Ruxias@lemmy.world
      9·
      1 month ago

      You’re comparing a non-fiction, evolving scenario of US imperialism to a fictional scenario where a “somebody” removes a guy you don’t like with zero strings attached, no ulterior motives, and no stated motives or historical context before or after.

      Your comparison is poor, half-thought (IMO), and driven by catharsis. You are tacitly endorsing hegemony - a position enabled by your subconscious knowing (or hoping) that your general safety and comfort is protected living inside of a fascist superpower.

      I read statements like yours and my heart hurts.

        • Ruxias@lemmy.world
          6·
          1 month ago

          Under rule of her by duress, not open-ended self-determination. The mission wasn’t “we’re gonna remove a dictator and let the people of Venezuela determine their destiny, let us know how we can help ma’am.” It was “your guy is a narcoterrorist [citation needed] and we’re gonna rebuild your oil infrastructure.” So in your opinion it’s not imperialism because we don’t yet have a colony there? I’m really struggling to grasp why you don’t think this is an expression of imperialism.

          US Imperialism has expressed itself throughout history in many ways, regardless of congressional approval and regardless of its status as a “war” or not. You should do some reading on how Hawaii became a state, for one example among many. Also there’s this.

    • scarabic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 month ago

      I have to think about which of these things is more important:

      1. I’d like Trump specifically removed

      2. I object to a transfer of power in the US being effected unilaterally by a foreign military

      I’m not sure that disposing of one leader I hate is actually worth embracing #2 forever afterward.

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    30·
    1 month ago

    For those who don’t remember the 2000s, this is the “greet us as liberators” stage of the debate. The “you want Maduro back in power” argument is coming in hot. Followed by “True democracy in South America” after that doesn’t work.

    And all of that was just a rebranding of “white mans burden” to “civilize” the less advanced races from the 19th Century.

    People who know history are doomed to watch amnesiacs do the same shit over and over.

  • Foni@lemmy.zipEnglish
    28·
    1 month ago

    I know some Venezuelans irl, at first they were happy believing that they would bring down the regime, when they saw that they left the vice president and only talked about oil, they have come to see that no one gives a shit about their hopes.

    In my opinion, I argued with someone close to me about it, they should have seen it coming

    • Typhoon@lemmy.ca
      7·
      1 month ago

      when they saw that they left the vice president and only talked about oil, they have come to see that no one gives a shit about their hopes.

      “America first”. Everyone else last.

  • itsmistermoon@piefed.socialEnglish
    22·
    1 month ago

    There were huge celebrations of venezuelans here in Chile, they’re just happy Maduro is no longer in charge. Some say they can finally come back home, I guess they’re waiting for a new democratic government to take charge…

    We chileans have plenty of experience with US meddling, so I’m personally not so hopeful about it.

  • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
    18·
    1 month ago

    even it’s Maduro was more evil than Trump, their internal affairs have nothing to do with the US, and this intervention is wrong under any account.

  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca
    13·
    1 month ago

    I understand your point. I don’t doubt for any second the atrocities made by Maduro and his followers.

    Why the rest of the world is so shocked and appalled, is because what is to come as replacement will be much, much worse for Venezuelans, and because this attack and kidnapping has just set a bewildering precedent that now pretty much forces the entire planet in another world war.

    This attack on your soil and against your leadership, wether legitimate or not, will become a major turning point in this world’s history. There’s no going back now, because there will be no accountability for this crime.

    We know, because we’ve seen it before all too well, and we all know how it will end. And this time, there are no “good guys” to cosplay saviours.