So, why *should* GNOME support server side decorations?
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Cet article est aussi disponible en français. This article contains quite a few technical terms, which I will explain these in the following paragraphs, those that are already familiar with these terms may skip to the next section. A basic understanding of linux and it’s desktop environments is assumed. Server side decorations (SSD) is the term for when when the application’s titlebar is drawn by the system and client side decorations (CSD) is the term for when the applications draws it’s own titlebar. KDE prefers the former, while GNOME prefers the latter. KDE and most other desktop environments supports both, while GNOME only supports CSD.

an article explaining why GNOME should support SSD, but also arguing against the reasons often given for why they shouldn’t

If someone could repost this to r/GNOME I would appreciate it, since I don’t have a reddit account.

  • jdnewmil@lemmy.ca
    25·
    6 months ago

    I think I am in the SSD camp. I absolutely hate the latest trend on MS Windows to fill the title bar with various widgets to the point where it can be hard to grab the window and move it. As with the current trend in US politics to stretch the rules well past any previous deformation, give a CSD an inch and it will eventually lead to ridiculously-adorned windows.

      • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        6 months ago

        I just tried that now (didn’t know it was a thing) and it’s not a very satisfactory solution if I’m moving monitors. When I get it to where I want, I can’t just double-click to max it again like I can dragging the title bar. Can’t say I’ll use that.

        • Victor@lemmy.world
          1·
          6 months ago

          🤷‍♂️ I used it all the time back around twenty years ago when I still was using a stacking window manager with floating windows. It’s all about practice I guess. For me it felt natural initially though.

          Also holding down Super and dragging with right mouse button to resize is great.

          The entire window is a much bigger click target than the title bar or the window borders (actually each quadrant would be the click target for resizing, but still a lot bigger). Fitts’s Law in action.

          I don’t use it much now that I moved to tiling window manager many years ago, and now a scrolling window manager, because those are mostly controlled with use of keyboard shortcuts. But sometimes I still use this even now. 👍

          I guess you could move it to another monitor then hit Super + Up to maximize, or a similar shortcut, if your window manager is a capable one. 😅

          • ikidd@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            6 months ago

            Closest I’ve come to any of that black magic hotkey fuckery is I’ve learned to hold shift when I drag to get it to snap to my tiling setup in KDE. Oh and Alt-tab for window switching and Meta-Tab for Activities.

            I’m pretty much ready for Sway as you can tell.

            • Victor@lemmy.world
              2·
              6 months ago

              that black magic hotkey fuckery

              😂 I take it you aren’t used to working with computers much except maybe for gaming? Or what kind of computer background do you have, if you’d like to share? 🙂

    • flameleaf@programming.devEnglish
      6·
      6 months ago

      This is the biggest issue with CSDs aside from the wasted space coming from oversized buttons. Every developer’s gonna put different, inconsistent things in that title bar.

      The close window button is basically universal, but what if I want to minimize the application? What if I want to pin it to all workspaces, stack it on top of other windows, or roll it up? With CSDs there are no standards.

  • FishFace@piefed.socialEnglish
    7·
    6 months ago

    In my mind the switch to CSD was made concurrently with the switch to mobile style burger menus and a corresponding excision of features to fit in the smaller menu area, so most apps that do it I just instinctively dislike. It’s part of what pushed me to KDE, though I still use GNOME at work