• Carmakazi@piefed.social
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    Dems wanted a healthy population to save money, Republicans want a healthy population so they can join the military to kill and die for imperial interest.

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      Republicans want a dumb population to make more republicans. Malnutrition definitely has negative impacts on education.

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        Not the same thing, but it’s also worth mentioning that free breakfasts in school were started by the Black Panthers, who knew that children would be able to learn more if they didn’t start the day hungry.

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      RFK made a statement a while ago about eating healthier and less processed foods, which is completely expected.

      What wasnt expected or normal is him listing military readiness as a primary reason for a healthy population. I can’t believe I haven’t seen anything about people disecting that section of the statement.

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      No, Republicans don’t want a healthy population. They’ll like about it to make it sound like it’s Dems fault, but none of Republican policy positions actually promote health. They don’t support informed eating (see RFKjr’s garbage food pyramid), or affordable health care, they want people to work more and longer, they want them stressed with zero down time, drinking poisoned water and contaminated food, breathing polluted air, and vulnerable to eradicated diseases.

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        And paying for health insurance; come on, their lobby doesn’t spend so much money on Republican donors to be forgotten about!

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    Start physical education earlier? PE and playground time type shit started in preschool.

    If you want to bring down medical costs pay them directly through the government and ban insurance companies.

    Drug company: “We’re going to raise the price of drug A.”

    Proper response: “If you raise the price of your drug we’ll ignore your patent and sell it for half the cost so you lose sales”

    Medical costs would fall and we’d have a healthier society

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    Democrats: (do literally anything.)

    Republicans: “OMG THEY’RE RADICAL LEFTIST COMMUNISTS!!”

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      Does the same thing 10 years later and say it’s for their protection. I’m looking at you mask mandates.

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      At this point, I think democrats could use some reverse psychology on them. Here’s what democrats should do: “We’re going to violently deport all undocumented immigrants, revoke all forms of private and public healthcare, increase police funding by 2000%, force all children into being home schooled, force women to all be trad wives, increase military funding by 2000%, require all citizens to have access to firearms regardless of legal status, and remove all mass transit in favor of more cars.” Think of the utopia we’d become!

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        What dems are you talking about here?

        Pretty sure that biden increased deportations during his term. That obomber didn’t do shit for public healthcare. That libs fully support compulsory education, the MIC, car dependency, etc…

        It’s supposed to be sarcasm, but realistically you’re just describing the dem platform.

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    Here’s the thing though. Democrats want this as an add-on to universal public health insurance, because health insurance is considered a universal right, and physical and health education help managing the costs. Republicans want it instead of public health insurance, because they consider staying healthy to be an individual responsibility that the state should not be involved in, and “just exercise and eat healthy” is their response to people complaining about cuts in the healthcare system.

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        A bunch of them do, yes. Democratic party is a coalition of a lot of smaller groups that want a lot of different things.

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        My point was that catching Republicans in this seeming contradiction isn’t the “gotcha” that people think it is, because they advertise health and exercise for very different reasons, namely to strip away the last bits of public health insurance that Americans still have.

        You’re probably right in that the left is more united about reforming health insurance than Democrats are overall. But it’s important not to miss the big picture.

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          The big picture is health insurance and food corporations have captured our political and legal process, I agree. It needs completely rooting out, and anyone against it, republican or democrat, should be removed from office. Citizens United and any other form of legal corporate money in politics needs gutting.

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    Key difference:

    Democrats: let’s think systematically and use healthier school lunches to reduce childhood obesity

    Republicans: how can we turn childhood obesity into a public humiliation ritual?

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      My favorite is the one where Republicans go, “Why are immigrants getting healthcare for free, when I have to pay for it?!”

      As if Democrats haven’t been pushing for universal healthcare.

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        And yet, when offered to vote for someone who supports single payer healthcare they’ll still vote Republican.

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      Republicans: how can we turn childhood obesity into a public humiliation ritual?

      Don’t forget to make it a handout to big carnism and similar garbage capitalists.

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    To be fair, Republicans would have called her a radical commie for saying that, and also for not saying it. And for saying something different.

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    “What if instead of the communist atheist deep state vax jab, we just expose people to a weakened version of the coronavirus? 🤔”

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    I will say the presidential fitness tests were awful to go through, as someone that didn’t do well on them. Nothing we did in PE class prepared us for pull ups or situps, so it was always me laying on my back and one of the cheerleaders holding my feet down, encouraging me to do one situp.

    I’ve never done a situp in my life. I first started trying at home sometime before 4th grade–I remember the room I lay in, trying my hardest. We moved between 3rd and 4th grade.

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      Yeah, imo the way those are usually done in schools is worse than useless. Nobody teaches you how to e.g. do a pull-up much less how to progress up to one if you can’t. So a lot of kids get tests thrown at them they can’t pass, then just move on with the idea that they’re physically inferior in some way.

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      Yeah, that didn’t happen.

      Her policies didn’t touch colleges. Her changes didn’t get rid of calories. Why lie about someone stood like that? Why blame someone else because you didn’t eat enough?

      • Yeah, that did happen.

        I was in highschool at the time, dumbass. Her changes absolutely did reduce calories. Why lie about something so easily verifiable? Why blame me because you can’t search the fucking internet?

        The HHFKA authorized USDA to update the nutrition standards for school meals… Issued in January 2012, the standards… limited calories.

        https://frac.org/blog/celebrating-ten-years-of-the-healthy-hunger-free-kids-act

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthy,_Hunger-Free_Kids_Act_of_2010

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          There were plenty of calories. I just looked at the limits. If you were failing to make weight, it was because you couldn’t afford enough food outside of school.

          Your family being unable to afford the food to keep you proper size for sports is unfortunate and likely a result of systemic issues.

          More unfortunate than that is the crazy huge childhood obesity stats we had in America, pointing to a poorly nourished population of children. Not to mention all the dirt poor children who received better access to warm meals as a result of the act being passed.

          You said you were pissed at Michelle Obama in the past tense. Hopefully you’ve realized since then that there are other people who are more directly responsible for your issues.

          And like, fuck the Obamas. Just not really a valid complaint. There are better things to be angry at them for.

          Edit: another interpretation could also be an ED, in which case, again, not the legislation’s fault.

          That said, the SCHOOL may have been failing you by not competently finding suitable dietary replacements.

          The federal or state governments also could have been failing you by not competently funding the school.

          Context: Calories per meal had to be between like 650 and 850 for high school iirc. That is intended to be one daily meal. Of course, thanks to this program and others like it, some schools also serve breakfast and sometimes even dinner.

          • Yeah I’m an anarcho-communist now, and I agree with you about almost everything you’ve said in this comment. However, the changes she made directly resulted in me loosing weight, and the only way to counteract that (for me as an individual) was by spending more money.

            • School lunch in 2011 had enough calories for me to maintain my weight
            • School lunch post 2012 did not have enough calories for me to maintain my weight
            • I was underweight until I got a job in 2013 and could buy extra food

            Yes, there are broader systemic issues, but I’m allowed to be mad about the direct, tangible cause of this specific thing I struggled with. I understand that I was collateral damage for something that was mostly a good thing, but the negative way it impacted me is real and my feelings about it are valid

            Edit: The calorie limit became 650, from what I read, and I guarantee my school’s lunches were significantly below that post 2012- probably 450 max

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              Regarding your edit, you read wrong. I am struggling to find a firsthand source of the act itself, but here is a published study

              https://schoolnutrition.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Quantitative-Evaluation-of-HHFKA-Nutrition-Standards-for-School-Lunch-Servings-and-Patterns-of-Consumption-Spring-2014.pdf

              If you scroll down to calorie requirements, it lists the different age groups. You may have read the maximum for young children, but the high schooler maximum was higher.

              I’m glad we agree and quickly found common ground.

              It is correct to say that you are allowed to feel angry. And that your feelings are valid. I would still argue that the complaint itself isn’t valid. You chose to make your personal feelings about how you were impacted a public discussion. I’m not mad at that. But it also means that I now get to point out the nuance of the situation for spectators that saw your comment and don’t understand the full story. Because you’re saying fuck Michelle Obama for the wrong reasons. And I want everyone to agree with the “fuck Michelle Obama” sentiment, but I don’t want it to be because of a misunderstanding about what was ultimately probably a positive policy that we then have to deprogram people over later.

              I’m usually snarky because I’m an asshole, I don’t even think I was trying to snark you tho, I was just tired and bluntly stating facts.

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    If their overlords give them a poop cake, they happily eat them, if people who actually care for them give them a healthy meal, they’ll throw it to the ground, claiming “I’m not part of the system”, and “I’m an adult” while acting like children.

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      … I go to my favorite hot dog stand

      And the dude says,

      “You come here all the time! Here’s one for free”

      I said, “Man! What I look like? A charity case?”

      … I took it and threw it on the ground!

      I don’t need your handouts!

      I’m an adult!

      Please!

      You can’t buy me hot dog, man!