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This is a deeply misleading headline
It’s 100% weapon’s grade clickbait.
I fundamentally disagree. The fact that it still exists on paper is immaterial if you cannot safely exercise the right.
There are plenty of other forms of phrasing to communicate that though.
I kind of agree. The headline makes it sound like the second ammendment has formally been abolished. In reality, it’s just being ignored. If ICE can kill people for carrying guns, then in practice the second ammendment might as well be abolished
« Harris will comes for your guns » -MAGA
I thought that was hilarious given that she is known to carry and be proficient with a pistol, and Trump has never held a gun in his life.
The issue is that the dems won’t drop their gun control rhetoric, even with a huge portion of their base becoming armed and fascist literally killing people. I don’t give a shit that Harris own or fired a gun. I give a shit that they’ve not woken up to the realization that gun owners aren’t just maga chodes larping as nazis. They need to drop the anti-gun shit and actually focus on what needs to be done to correct our move towards full blown dictatorship.
I’ve said it a million times. Dems would sweep elections and destroy the GOP if they dropped their anti-2a bullshit.
Isn’t the reason the 2a is so sacred is to be a check on the kind of authoritarian take over already in progress ? All those school kids were murdered so that access to firearms could continue to be unhindered so something could be done to correct your move towards full blown dictatorship?
The fascist are the ones who are heavily armed. On top of that, we’re not at the start a civil war yet. We’re at the ballot box right now, midterms will determine if we move to the next box.
Fascism can’t be voted out anymore than it was voted in. Continued support for the parties that have enabled it will allow it to continue growing. .
I’m sorry, gonna call bullshit here on the last election.
The D candidate and running mate were gun owners and comfortable owning and using guns. The R candidate when he was President literally said “Take the guns first, go through due process second,”
YET when that’s discussed, somehow it’s (D)ifferent to the gun owners. The “Gun grabbing democrats” won’t stop but Trump saying that but not going through was fine.
So when coworkers are suddenly now worried he might be coming for their guns my response is just call me Cassandra because I saw it coming and here we are!
https://www.everytown.org/press/what-does-freedom-from-gun-violence-mean-for-kamala-harris/
What are you even arguing here? AWB is one of the top things she platformed on for gun laws. Same for ERPOs and UBC(which requires a registery).
I don’t know if you’re assuming I’m defending the turnip in power right now or not, but my point has been that dems are for more gun control and for banning a lot of firearms that are in common use, because they have no clue about firearms.
What dem has come out and said they want to take away 2a? The vast majority of dem proposed gun regulations are not anti 2a. Gun regulation isn’t anti 2a
Gun regulations are anti-2a, almost all gun regulations will not curb our violence or gun deaths in this country. Almost all gun regulations are designed to limit the access of minorities and oppressed groups to arm themselves.
https://fee.org/articles/lawmakers-in-hawaii-propose-repealing-second-amendment/
It takes half a second of googling to pull up links like this. Yes it’s not a platform they run on but to act like that’s not the end goal of a ton of dems is being naive at best and willfully lying at worse. The Democratic party’s end goal is to make it so, basically the rich are all that own firearms in the end.
The actual proposal to Congress in that article reads…
“adopt a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution pursuant to article V of the United States Constitution to clarify the constitutional right to bear arms.”
That’s not removing 2a. The comment of repealing was just that, a comment. That specific comment didn’t make it to the official request to Congress.
Really…you do realize that amending it is just an easier way to basically say it’s null and void.
On top of that, you asked I provided. Let’s stop pretending that there aren’t dems who want it repealed.
Since when does amending ANYTHING mean removing it?
You didn’t provide anything, the linked article didn’t support your claim.
Who are you going to shoot to bring our democracy back, Rambo?
The 2nd should be repealed. Kids getting murdered in school isn’t a fair price to pay so that gun fetishists can indulge their fantasies.
And this is the exact shit I’m talking about. Your whataboutism doesn’t negate anything I’m saying. It just furthers people who are single issue voters into the hands of the maga chodes because they’re saying “no we’re not going to take the guns” while you spout shit like “repeal the 2nd”.
What’s the point of having the 2nd amendment if it leads to kids being killed, but it’s not used to stop the fascists taking over the country?
You know more children die drowning in pools each year than have been killed via school shootings in the last 10 years combined? Let’s stop acting like the reason you want the firearms gone is because of the kids.
Yes but pools are fun and give exercise. Gun ownership is useless (since they’re no being used now against their main purported purpose).
Not just gun control, if democrats became populist they would sweep elections. We pay more money for less service in a great many areas, and we didn’t use to. Call out those gatekeepers that have taken from our shares, in our lifetimes, and promise to bring it back to us. It’s that simple.
The establishment was chosen to kill popular reform, not enact it. The only way forward is replacing them, and they are as secure as ever as they’ve convinced the sheep it’s the voters’ fault for not electing the most unpopular candidate they could find that offered zero reform in a time of anger while the republicans ran as reform.
I’m not helping the establishment democrats, it’s a waste of time, we need new leaders, fighting under these leaders is giving up.
Their goal has never been to win against Republicans but act as a buffer between the working class and the ruling class, acting in the interests of the ruling class
No arguments from me on that.
Before was Biden then Obama. Almost like gun lobbyist created panic to sell more guns.
Dems campaigned on restricting gun ownership broadly.
Republicans campaigned on restricting civil liberties for liberals specifically.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
And without fail, every accusation continues to be an admission
The US Attorney basically said no gun carry in Washington DC.
TLDR-
This syndrome reached an apotheosis of sorts when Jeanine Pirro, best known as a reality TV judge and right-wing blowhard, and now (because of course!) appointed by Trump as U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, issued this edict: if anyone brings “a gun into the District, you mark my words, you’re going to jail. I don’t care if you have a license in another district and I don’t care if you’re a law-abiding gun owner somewhere else.”
That article was so long to bury that.
Well, the headline is an outright lie, not just misleading. But the point about the Democrats not screeching about this from every corner is a good one.
My dad has been saying that the Republicans were going to be the ones taking guns when people go on about “gun grabbing democrats” since Reagan apparently. I was only long enough to hear him say that around Bush era onward but this is my shocked face that he was right.
I fully agree with your father and I’ve been saying the same thing since the 2001 Patriot Act and when the Orange Kool-Aid guzzlers won in 2016. Those fucks will eventually abolish 2A for the full power grab.
Oh, dear. I hope you’re no longer like that.
The Right Wing are remaining loyal to their only real value: loyalty and obedience to authority
Every republican accusation has always been a confession. Their base will parrot whatever talking point they’re given with dead eyes
Historically every major piece of gun legislation has come from Republicans
Amending the constitution requires a super majority… Not a deranged despot.
He doesn’t get to decide which parts of the Constitution are in force or not.
Yes he does, because you’re not fucking doing anything about it. You can say “That’s illegal!” like it’s a magic spell all you want, but Trump doesn’t care what is legal. Either you go stop him, physically, or he will keep doing whatever he feels like.
Yet federal officers follow his orders. No one enforces the constitution, even if the courts back it up, and they will find a way not to.
So is anyone stopping him or are people just claiming that he can’t do that while he’s doing it.
So you look at Trump, his goons, his record and you say: “That good ol’ piece of paper is going to defeat facism.” ?
At the executive level, he gets to decide how the federal policing departments interpret statute and execute their department objectives.
In the modern era, that means taking a reading of “gun possession” as “physical threat to police” and permitting the police to respond to anyone they think might be carrying with lethal force. That’s not a repeal of the 2nd amendment in a literal sense. But it does make open carrying extremely dangerous in practice.
Of course, this isn’t news to everyone.
Being a Black gun owner in the US comes with a unique set of challenges. The Second Amendment is often not applied to Black gun owners in the same way it is applied to white gun owners. Lawfully armed Black people are often viewed as a threat and met with police violence, in part because of implicit bias that law enforcement is not immune to.
Philando Castille was a registered gun owner in St. Paul, Minnesota, who was shot and killed by police in front of his girlfriend and her daughter, after disclosing that he was armed. Alton Sterling, who was killed by police officers in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, was legally armed at the time of his death. Black Americans are disproportionately murdered or injured by police and Black gun owners describe being stereotyped and misperceived by law enforcement.
What we have is a white population that’s catching up to the treatment enjoyed by minorities for decades.
He doesn’t have the power to abolish 2a, he just has the ability to tell his DOJ to not investigate matters when his administration’s agents violate it. This constitutes a massive abuse of executive power, fostering a culture of impunity and abuse but we all should understand that if and when executive and legislative power fall out of the hands of this admin, these sorts of crime have very long statutes of limitations and accountability (if belated) is entirely in the cards
Well if he really wanted he could sign blanket pardons like his predecessor, though obviously rank and file need not apply.
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/03/jeanine-pirro-second-amendment-washington-00762347
It happened a few days ago and she walked the comments back within 24 hours, apparently.
John Commerford, executive director of the National Rifle Association’s legislative arm, said Pirro’s remarks “highlight the need for Congress to pass H.R. 38, the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act.” That bill, introduced last year by Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), would allow anyone with a state-issued concealed carry license to carry a firearm in any other state.
The cynic in me says it’s staged to drum up support for this deranged bill.
That bill, introduced last year by Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.), would allow anyone with a state-issued concealed carry license to carry a firearm in any other state.
While I think laws on concealed carry being more consistent across states would be a good thing, this is a terrible idea. Laws across states aren’t consistent–one state may require some sort of education, for example, while another does not. The one that requires education obviously shouldn’t be recognizing a CCL from a state that doesn’t.
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A better idea would be to arrest every state legislature who passed constitutional violating laws about guns and throw them in jail, much like should have been done for the violation of the civil-rights act. If there are no consequences for states passing unconstitutional laws, then what is the purpose of the constitution in the first place?
FYI - nothing happened
Trump and his minions are always acting in bad faith.
Rules for thee and not for me.
Except he didn’t.
MAGA have gun rights. The rest do not.
Rights are only rights if everyone has them.
Wrong, we all do. All you have to do is go make the purchase and be armed.
Except Trump’s DOJ is not blind and just, they openly serve MAGA. They will let you buy guns but if you should end up in court over a shooting, you won’t win unless you’re MAGA.
If a judge rules against Trump’s wishes, he attacks them openly and moves to have them removed and replaced with a loyalist.
If you’re in a state that sides against Trump he threatens to freeze federals funds.
It is the same for the 1st amendment and other such rights. It’s how this whole debate has returned.
They want people to feel their rights are still in place so people remain obedient but the DOJ and SCOTUS have been weaponized.
None of that stops me from exercising my rights. I don’t ask permission. You shouldn’t comply in advance either.
The rights are inalienable, not a special privilege granted by a government.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
GTFO with that religious bullshit.
“rights” are an imaginary vapid concept invented by hairless apes. and if you want to maintain your “rights” then you better get the fuck up and do something about it before the powers that be strip them all away.
Expect selective enforcement or even some kind of DHS/ICE reserve officer program as an excuse to keep MAGA voters armed.
Clickbait horse shit.
