Except Russia did actually do that.
It’s both. Don’t pretend Russia is harmless.
Only catch is, one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads and the other gets a standing ovation in the US Capital.
Like, you can’t talk to me about influence peddling and not talk about J-Street. Let me know when Washington DC has an R-Street and we can talk about their relative influence.
one of these people is the target of CIA hit squads
Allegedly. Its not clear to me Trump sees either of these people as opponents. Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals, and vice versus. They might not be coordinating but the outcomes might as well be.
Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals
Where do you get this stuff?
By putting a mediocre level of effort into paying attention into world events and world politics, and then analyzing those events.
Its miraculous what putting in even a basic level of effort does. I highly recommend.
Here’s a visual example that shows how Israel thinks of itself, displaying what I’m talking about (another lemming posted this earlier in the thread, cant for the life of me remember whom):
Here’s a visual example
Everything Israel does coordinates with Russias goals
:-/
Oh no! What could this mean?!
That Putin doesn’t like being so short. Or you know, he’s really unhappy with not being able to manipulate Obama. Probably short as well.
Reading this, it’s very easy to understand how Trump won.
The person you are replying to posted that image.
Lol I spent way to long trying to figure out why putin had an epaulette on
Why is the same guy in that picture twice?
/yes, I know
Bruh we’re literally sending billions annually to Israel so they can then turn it around and bribe our politicians to get more.
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Americans continue to be categorically unable to admit fault for anything without blaming it on evil foreigners.
Looks like you drank the entire bucket of us propaganda. Liberals that see Russia everywhere is to distract you from the failures of their political party. The politicians that screamed Russia the loudest are the ones that had taken the largest amounts of money from AIPAC. Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.
Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections.
I think something the Epstein files are showing us is that they’re the same threat.
Fascists globally, are the threat, regardless of the government they’ve commandeered.
Accusing others of falling for propaganda while denying that trump is a russian assett is very funny.
That’s like denying that israel is committing genocide while israelis very openly call for genocide.
like denying that israel is committing genocide while israelis very openly call for genocide.
You mean like what Democrats have done the last few years?
Yes. That’s what i meant. I thought that was pretty clear.
Your denial that trump is a russian asset is a willful denial of reality on par with americans who deny that israel’s genocide is a genocide.
Trump is a capitalist asset chosen by the same donor class that chose Biden and every president before them.
denying that trump is a russian assett
Pro Russia is pro multipolar world is pro China.
How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?
The US billionaires can push for an impeachment at any time. Trump must be their candidate.
How could Russia trick American billionaires into supporting a candidate that undermines their global ambitions?
Simple, by propaganda. Or did you think billionaires were immune? I’d say they are even more vulnerable because they surround themselves with yes men that agree with anything they say. Sprinkle that with a ton of blackmail and you got yourself a russian asset.
May even use their greed for profit against them, whether it is from the war industry, exotic metals, or plain old deals. They will get their share and destroy democracy if it is in the way.
Maybe a dozen fall for his charm but his gaudy style can’t convince the billionaires like it convinces the masses.
American workers can’t unionize at Starbucks. That’s one billionaire. Putin can’t have managed to outwit all 1,000 billionaires.
Nothing that Putin can offer can compensate American billionaires for losing hegemonial power.
American billionaires destroy democracy. But it is for them, not Putin.
Oh, so McCheetoh has no connections to Russia? And Russia clearly has not directly benefited from his actions?
Don’t get me wrong, AIPAC can burn in the deepest layers of hell; but pretending Russia is harmless is just beyond the pale.
A few 100 memes on Facebook didn’t have any impact on elections. Russia didn’t fund TV ads or campaign for him. The Russia hysteria coming from oligarchs is to give you a Boogeyman so they can be your savior
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Inside the US, there’s a pretty substantial amount of pro-Russia propaganda. For years the NRA was a dominant force in politics and it was completely compromised by Russia. The current US president is a Russian asset. Etc etc.
Israel is by far the larger threat to us elections
I’m not sure about “by far”, but it doesn’t really matter. Two things can be true at the same time. Israel and Russia are both significant threats to the US, both have obtained substantial control over US politicians, and both are threats to their neighbors.
And also there’s overlap because Israel and Russia are partially aligned. (See for example how reluctant Israel has been to offer any support to Ukraine.)
Israel doesn’t support Ukraine because of the war going in Ukraine is in the interest of the US.
Nobody said which threat was larger. But it is absolutely stupid to have such a one-track mind when it comes to danger. Have a little nuance.
Let us know of the Russian PACs able to funnel millions into election campaigns
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NATO and the USA have lost the Hybrid War launched by Russia in March 2013.
The CIA has unlimited budget, that installed nazis in Georgia (instigated separatist movement within weeks) 2008 and Ukraine (smartly avoided immediate Russian liberation of Donbas seperatism to delay with peace talks) 2014. The hybrid war accusation against Russia is projection for the high intensity propaganda (hybrid war) on the west to support Russophobia.
Western divisiveness is mostly a function of western wackos. Be angry at the wackos without making you try to hate Russia instead of the wackos.
Russia Russia Russia,
I mean, he’s citing sources, you’re just whining. Put your sources up if you want anyone to listen to you.
Washington Post and BBC? Surely they dont have a vested interest in US hegemony
I mean dude, you made a Lemmy post of an instagram post of a Twitter post of a news article headline. Not exactly authoritative either. Don’t be a fucking hypocrite.
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i despise Russia for destroying the world like they have. fucking evil.
Reading comprehension please. Did I say they were equal? Did I say they used the same methods?
Think for a moment before you respond. Your incapability to reason critically about this topic makes your argument look weak even though I’m fucking agreeing with you.
Russia isn’t “harmless” if we’re having a conversation about capitalist incentives and imperialist interest and how they result in global conflicts were the working class suffer the consequences.
But if you hear mainstream media start to cry “but Russia” you should see that as a HUGE red flag.
There is no comparing “Russian Influence” to the extension of US imperialism that is the Israeli colonial project. That’s ridiculous.
I think the only silly thing we do is pretend that Israel is “controlling America”. No, Israel does the the absolute worst things in the interest of American Imperialism; that even the American oligarchs want to distance themselves from.
Two things can’t both be true at the same time.
Liberal thought terminating cliche of the year winner 2025
Both are and both should be dealt with
Zionism is a fundamentalist ideology that Israel is following. Zionism is not a religion it is an evil political fundamentalist ideology that claims supremacy of a particular race. Zionism justifies extermination, oppression, exploitation and apartheid of those people who do not ethnically align with their supremisist ideology to fulfill their imperial ambitions. As long as the United States keeps giving them a blank check at the expense of the American people this will only get worse as this cancer spreads. Nazism is similar to Zionism as it is a supremisist ideology that justifies imperialist expansion of the chosen “race” and the systematic extermination and dehumanization of a “race”of people deemed less than.
Why not both?
It can be both, but Israel is the greater threat. Because nearly all politicians are either openly taking up AIPAC money or they’re doing the work for AIPAC for free. And Democrats by and large, take more contributions from AIPAC, From the last election cycle. Seven out of the top 10 were contributions to Democrats
Israel wants the shield of the USA and Russia wants the USA out of NATO essentially. We’re in some seriously dangerous times.
From the last election cycle. Seven out of the top 10 were contributions to Democrats
I believe the DNC was paid by Zionist “donor pressure” to lose to the candidate who wanted “Israel to finish the job” more passionately than a democrat who would say polite things against genocide.
But the thing about this is Trump may have said Israel to finish the job, but Biden and Harris had already finished it for him. The picture was literally taken Biden’s last day in office. Biden proudly proclaimed he was a Zionist throughout his political career.
This image is not enough to show how terrible genocide joe was. We have data about the level of destruction.
- 70% of all structures in Gaza were damaged or destroyed
- 92% of all housing units destroyed or damaged
- 88% of school buildings were damaged or destroyed
- 80% of key water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) facilities
- Only 16 out of 36 hospitals were partially functioning, facing critical shortages of fuel, medicine, and clean water.
- 75% of agricultural land, including orchards and greenhouses, was damaged or destroyed
but the explicit absolutist passion for it, gave Trump all of the campaign money, and DNC money was just for their candidates to stay quiet about it.
Oh you mean the world that is controlled by the US would dare to lobby the US government. Tell me it ain’t so. Here is a fucking idea, if you don’t like it when someone puts their hand in your cookie jar don’t go around putting your hand in everyone else’s cookie jar.
Aka how dare they interfere with elections, only we are allowed to do that!
It wasn’t for Democrats interfering in Russian elections in 1996 Putin wouldn’t be in power right now to be their boogeyman.
I didn’t realize US interference with Russia election lead to Yeltsin winning and then handing over power to Putin. Really changes the whole US vs Russia angle when they literally put him in power and made sure he stayed there. Kind of like every regime change turned dictatorship that the US has their fingerprints all over.
Its interference with Yeltsin reelected a candidate with a 6% approval rating over a communist with a 90%. Russia wanted to get rid of the capitalism shoved on them by the US
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They both seem like real problems though don’t they? Also the links between Russia and Israel are pretty strong…
I’m sure Russia is interfering, too. Even while they are short of money, they know that every cent spent to buy an American politician is worth a dollar in return. And for some cases, they just use some compromat, so they are even cheaper.
I’m sure Russia is interfering too
That might be the case but at this point it’s speculation. We have undeniable definitive proof of Israel interference
lol, we had undeniable evidence russia was interfering too
the powers that be simply don’t/didnt care either way as long as their checks keep clearing. $ is the only thing sacred in the US
undeniable evidence russia was interfering too
I’ve seen some laughable and easily debunked garbage peddled as proof.
“there was 500x more comments from Russian accounts during the election about the election !!!”
LOL yes a peak in activity on a world event at the time of the event is definitely suspicious.I mean, there’s a Wikipedia page with sources and everything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections
LOL at Wikipedia
Yeah Grokpedia is better here, clearly.
LOL false dichotomy attempt.
Cheap and embarrassing.
As I said to some other conspiracy theorist on here:
Show me** evidence** from credible sources.
I’m sure this will be the last I hear from you LOL.
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Liberals are not part of the left, they are fascists keeping fascists in power.
“Waah, fuhrer help me, the foreigners keep owning me with facts, ban them”
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How about the millions Butina Laundered through donations to the NRA that turned into record donations from them to Trump?
Butina
Who?
And again, you’re making claims.
Show me EVIDENCE and credible sources.
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LOL
so you could provide it in 3 seconds. I can find ZERO proof since it’s all BS and Russophobia mixed with slander from 1 of your cultist ass cheecks against the other.
All of you (and count how many there are) are here saying look ity up, there’s proof, trust me bro, etc…
Yet facts are none of you provided any evidence on even 1 single claim.
Now I’m done laughing at you fools.
I get bored of you all parrotting your cult propaganda.
Either show me evidence or stop crying.
What you heard is valid critique of something you support and defaulted to Russia
I don’t understand your sentence.
Far from speculative and any suggestion otherwise isn’t in good-faith.
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Wikipedia is controlled by cia, which is known for lying, and for framing russia. So, your “evidence”: poof.
I truly wish I could have this little critical thought. really must be blissful. there are literally thousands of sources on this, but god forbid it goes against your no nuance, western country bad ideology (then it’s obviously the CIA)
All western media is biased, except when it agrees with them. Then its when the truth barely escapes the clutches of a mass media machine that somehow always catches all secrets except that one.
[citation needed]
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I have this crazy idea that being sure of something would mean there’s proof.
But apparently even the most batshit crazy conspiracy theory level statement is seen as a fact in the case of Russia.
Like the president from a country supporting a country with weapons, intel, money and whatever is a tool for the country he’s fighting against trough proxy, sanctioning, pirating ships from and committing terrorism against.
It’s absolutely both.
Actually, Russia is interfering with the US elections, it’s called Donald Trump.
It is an absolute winning electoral strategy to invalidate the treasonous candidacy of any demonic zionazi warmongering genocidal subhuman piece of shit, with amplification that the more money they raise the more invalid their candidacy.
Platform shouldn’t be wealth taxes, it should be the financial zeroing out of any candidate and financers of zionist supremacist rule over America.
We’re all that wrestler with sunglasses movie from the 80s. The lizard people having constitutional protections to rule over us is the moral question of that movie.
It’s the neolibs’ version of “blame the foreigners” - instead of blaming immigrants for the problems of one’s country like the fascists, the neolibs will blame “foreign interference” for the problems of one’s country.
Meanwhile Occan’s Razor tells us that the 100% local people who have power in one’s country are the most likely explanation, yet, “curiously”, the very politicians who are supposed to properly manage the country (and are clearly not doing in a way that serves the interests of most people) end up blaming foreigners in some way or another.
And I say “one’s country” because this propaganda technique of the dominant mainstream politicians is hardly a thing that only gets used in the US.
“blame the foreigners"
LOL look at the zionist here performing extreme mental gymnastics to play the victim again, this while the data on these demons influencing and having a total grip on US politics is out in the open for all to see.
At least you are creative, not the usual “this message is Hamaaazzz propaganda!!!” like mostr of you.
You’ve earned your 2 hasbara shekels for today.Have a look at which group I used to moderate, or recents posts, before you further plunge your foot in your mouth.
The AIPAC shit in the US would not have been possible without vast wilful cooperation of Americans and their buying of politicians there would not have been possible wthout those 100% American politicians being extremelly corrupt.
LOL no your excuses are BS
And moderating Palestine related groups is 100% what zionists want and do to control the narrative.
Are you the same person or is it just the same account you handle.
The other guy was more creative. No shekels for youIt’s either:
- I’m playing a kind of 5D chess were I frequently point out Zionist attrocities to, somehow and in ways beyond human comprehension, benefit Zionism.
- You’re nowhere as intelligent as you think you are and after putting your foot on your mouth due to a dumb kneejerk reaction, driven by stupid pride are doubling down on that.
I’ll leave it to the audience to figure out which is the most likely explanation.
I’ve pointed out a feeble and obvious false dichotomy attempt minutes ago.
Is that the best you hasbara tools got?
Anyway sick of you snakes, not worth my time.
And definitely not worth your 2 shekels
Look into any political person you’re thinking about voting for. Call them out for taking this money and primary them
