Whaaaaaaat? A politician behaving like a political animal? The shock! The scandal!
I believe the term is Blue MAGA.
And the worst part is the democratic party will champion this fucker because it’s fully bought and paid for.
The people who are upset with that term just enforce the reason why we have the term.
I mean, if they didn’t want people using the term, they should tried harder not to fit the description, yeah?
You’d think, but instead they ban you if you call them out on it. Like MAGA.
Everyone has their preferred echo chambers, I suppose.
Yea he’s a fascist. That’s why he platforms Nazi’s and Zionists on his podcast and magically lets them persuade him that they are right. It’s also why he vetoes everything that helps the working class. It’s also why he let PG&E get away with murdering 800 Californians and he allows them to raise our rates 6 times a year while they continue to make record shareholder profits. It’s also why why he is fighting the one time 5% billionaire tax proposed by the California legislature as hard as he can. We need an FDR Newsom is an Israeli asset and a closeted republican who’s Gen z handlers make funny tweets.
Legitimate question, you are asked to vote for either Gavin Newsom or Donald Trump. Who do you vote for or do you abstain?
Abstain
What if we all wrote in Luigi Mangione?
Then you let Trump win and you might as well just say goodbye to every human right you have.
I find it hard to believe any of you are adults.
I’ve said it before many times on here… I will never vote for Newsom. So I will vote third party or not at all for POTUS. I will vote for the rest of the voting options though.
If you cannot choose between Newsom and Trump, you aren’t mentally or emotionally mature enough to vote.
Choosing between Newsom and Trump is like choosing between buying a house outright that is currently on fire vs. buying a house at a 200% interest rate that will be set on fire between 3-5 years from now.
No, it isn’t.
One is a Nazi currently burning down all of our Constitutional rights and the other is a guy you don’t agree with on some shit.
I’m dead serious: If you can’t figure out Trump is a Nazi threat, then yeah, you should probably lose the right to vote…or be in public.
Well lucky for you I’m not voting for either of them, so I guess you’re getting exactly what you want
Your right to vote in the United States.
You can vote for:
A Democrat, A Republican, A third-party candidate, An independent candidate, Or you can choose not to vote at all.
You are free to vote for any candidate listed on the ballot.
The reason why Gavin is so popular among Californians is because he’s “socially liberal, fiscally conservative.”
There are countless liberal fucks in Cali that just want to make sure whoever is in office doesn’t raise their taxes. They’re the ones who profit off of everything being so expensive, not being able to own anything, etc etc.
His supporters are the same people who voted against Bernie Sanders, twice.
If you see someone supporting him online, know you’re dealing with a scammer or a moron.
I saw him speak at Davos a while ago and I thought he was a big phony guy with very little acting skills but who is constantly acting. Another cult of personality instead of any real depth of thought.
Time for the Tankies to form up the circular firing squad
(With enough Putin bots to give it legs)
It’s not just tankies, everyone hates Gavin Newsom, he sucks, if he is picked as a nominee it’s further proof the democratic establishment hates their base and is throwing the election again. Bluesky is very liberal and not tankie basically at all and even the comments there are nearly entirely shitting on him for his terrible positions and unlikability. https://bsky.app/profile/thetnholler.bsky.social/post/3metxjlxwec2d
Putin bots are the ones who made Newsom do bad things? Or are they the ones who did the journalism? Or are they they ones who can have a memory beyond 2 weeks?
They are the ones finding reasons for people not to vote for democrats
So we should support someone who invites fascists to his platform? Or someone who praises Ronald Reagan? Or someone who ignores COVID policies for himself?
The only people Newsom appeals to are neo-liberals ashamed that Trump won’t keep up appearances and isn’t keeping his criminal imperialism masked in the liberal pageantry that we’ve done for decades or centuries in the US.
He is courting the right, he made a day to celebrate Ronald Fucking Reagan, jesus christ how loud of a dog-whistle do you all need.
Tankies are just roleplay kids, they hate everyone who isn’t roleplaying also. Newsom is an actual threat to democracy wrapped in a too-wide smile and promises of a “return to normal.” He would be more dangerous than Trump and he would do his damage behind a facade of national cooperation and stability while empowering the lunatics like Thiel and Musk.
Putin bots made Newsom a terrible piece of shit?
it’s the putin bots pointing out how terrible he is! How dare they not let us run him with anyone saying his many many flaws/issues - - dnc
Hopefully, we get AOC as the front runner. I am sick of the Democratic establishment.
Either AOC or John Stewart needs to step the fuck up and save our nation.
Only the democratic establishment could lose to Trump TWICE!!!
But give them a third chance. They’re going to win this time
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You’re part of the problem.
We don’t need to “baby-steps” this, and to think otherwise is to out yourself as a fool.
Republicans didn’t “baby-step” going to Trump. They saw Obama as the antichrist and instead of pussyfooting around trying to play both sides, they went all in on their most radical candidate 3 times. It’s working for them specifically because smart people like you keep sucking neoliberal dick.
Stop being a punk. Start fighting back.
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Yeah, you’re still part of the problem.
This is the exact rhetoric that got us into this mess. It’s what won Hillary the nomination and handed the presidency to Donald Trump.
Until people like you learn from your mistakes instead of repeating them, the republican party won’t be going away because there will always been an argument that the democrats don’t actually care about the working class.
Unfortunately, I expect you to respond as long as I do, so I will have to give you the last word.
Don’t take my lack of a response as accepting that you’re correct. You’re most likely going to peddle some “baby-steps,” moderate bullshit while saying that’s not what you’re doing or that it’s the best path forward even though it hasn’t been working.
Goodbye.
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Hey, buddy? Shut the fuck up.
The US is in the mess because of worthless people like you who get angry at anyone who hopes for more. People say “hey can we not do better than complete garbage?” and you feel the need to tell them that they’re wrong. Gavin Newsom will not dig you out of the hole you’re in, nor will any other center-right corporate stooge.
I say this with my whole heart: I hate you.
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It’s always the progressives who need to rally behind the centrist, isn’t it? Never the other way around because you’re just a coward.
How about you grow even an inch of a spine and rally behind someone who wants to make real change? How about you stop spending you life on this planet being nothing more than a barrier? Get it together.
I really don’t give a damn whether you hate me or not, your opinion is worthless. You don’t know the first fucking thing about togetherness, just empty platitudes that make you comfortable so you don’t need to actually face anything difficult.
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It’s not infighting when one side supports Diet Republicans and the other side wants ICE to be abolished.
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With your own words. Newsom is a Republican from 2016.
You literally said that progressives need to make real change by rallying behind unideal candidates who may be a little amoral. And you think it’s my fault for in-fighting because I want to focus on the more ideal and more moral options? Fucking please.
I can’t tell if I’m more insulted that you’re lying to my face or that you would actually think I’d believe you. God, you truly are a pathetic little weasel, aren’t you?
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The working class rallying behind less than we deserve is how we got Trump. He didn’t emerge from nowhere. He’s a product of multiple presidents, Dems & GOP, who did not serve the American people. He easily fooled those who believed he’d do more because we’re all so conditioned to expect nothing. We need to do better than just picking the lesser of two evils every 4 years. We need to rally together, yes, but behind higher standards - not behind more politicians who are deeply lacking. Class consciousness and collective action is the only way to do this.
It’s people like you that need to realize that in the current political environment, establishment Dems have zero electability.
Get behind a progressive candidate or expect to lose again.
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You completely ignored my post. If Newsom is on the ballot, he will lose.
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Boy, you’re full of shit.
all I’m pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage
Expect that is also the logic dems/dnc have used that got us to this point.
you have to vote for Kerry or else we still have Bush
vote for Hillary she’s the only one who is qualified to beat the rnc - when running against Obama
vote for Hillary she’s not trump - 2016
primary voters vote for Biden he’s the only one who can beat Trump, we can’t let Bernie have a shot - 2020
vote for Kamala, what do you want trump again??
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No you are one of many saying vote for the dems no matter the terrible candidate while we’ve had nothing but failures from them, and constant capitulations to republicans. Especially when newsom is a republican just running as a dem like so many others in the party.
Just because the republicans get instant loyalty does not mean any one owes a party votes. There’s no point in voting for the dems when either way it ends up with the same outcome
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I’m pointing out is that the conservatives are winning because they are willing to line up behind complete garbage. If the progressives want to make real change, they have to be willing to rally, and that will likely mean rallying behind a non ideal candidate, and likely rallying with those that we feel are amoral.
we need the progressives to line up behind the right leaning dems
It literally is but sure say it’s not
Woooosh
FYI sadly this is an unpopular opinion for users of lemmy world. While they are willing to admit Trump is bad most can’t stomach admitting how much the dems have a hand in us getting to this point, let alone how little they care about preventing it or doing anything to improve the situation
It’s also not just the US. In Canada we are constantly told that we must stop dreaming about electing our main progressive party and that we must rally around the increasingly conservative centrist party. Centrists demand sacrifice but refuse to ever give anything in return. They are cowardly obstacles, not serious people.
Our last election saw the NDP lose official party status because of a lack of votes, the Conservatives are still highly supported and will get in eventually when they’re even crazier, and the Liberals we elected are the most conservative they’ve even been down to letting private companies steal our natural resources with fewer consequences all while helping ones like Air Canada by trying to declare the flight attendant strike illegal. People said our prime minister being a banker would help us this economy but he shown that he would rather weaken the average citizen than help them.
At least right-wingers spew their hate with their whole chest. Centrists are just cowards, nothing more.
Don’t forget France where the left won power but they still ended up with conservatives because macron would rather work with them than actually do leftists policy or work with those not on the right
That’s just classic branding at that point. If you listen to the conservatives and the media in Canada you’d swear the Liberal party was a super woke bunch of progressives but the majority of stuff they ever do that can be considered progressive is whatever the NDP was able to negotiate for during the coalition when the Liberals held a minority government. I don’t know much of French politics but I have the feeling thag their “left” is only such in that they aren’t explicitly a right-wing party and that there’s a further right option.
While you do that AIPAC is ensuring that your 2028 option will be Newsom and Rahm Emanuel or someone else they hand pick. That way they win no matter what happens and Americans remain pay pigs for genocide.
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The fascists are winning because they aren’t normal establishment politicians, at least to the uninformed. They are “different” and that is what people want, anything other than the status quo. It’s how fascists have always gained power. They exist, because otherwise there is functionally a vacuum, a government that ignores people’s demands for help.
You don’t hold back fascism. And you certainly don’t hold it back with ineffective “centrism”. You push it back with a greater opposing force. You push it down to the ground. Then you stomp its face in until it is no longer breathing. You pounce on it when it is at its weakest. You kill it. You excise it like the cancer it is. You eliminate it quickly, decisively, permanently. Or you die. Simple as that, man.
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Yes, keep going to the right.
As compared to what? Is he worse than Trump? I sincerely fucking doubt it.
You never learn.
That’s a ridiculously low bar, but it’s also an important distinction.
Do I want Gavin Newsom to be the Democrat nominee for 2028? Hell no! He’s revealed himself to be a shallow political opportunist and an ideological chameleon. And I think that party can do better.
But regardless, would he be an improvement over Trump? Hell yes!
Another question is: is he - a supposedly populist liberal from California - even electable on a national stage? I don’t think so. But then, we live in very ‘interesting’ times. So who knows.
The third question is: will we have a fair enough election in 2028 (or an election at all)? That remains to be seen.
Put it this way, us overseas would rather see Newsom in charge of it than Trump.
That’s way better for us.
Anyone would be an improvement over Trump. Even Vance, probably. I’d gladly see Newsom win. But even more than that, I’d like to see Bernie, Warren or AOC win.
Bernie + (anyone else, but preferably AOC) would have won against Trump three (3) times.
Me too, but anyone who doesn’t threaten the sovereignty of other countries and respects some form of order is good for us.
Edit: Vance would last a month and no, if he could get full influence he might be as bad or worse than Trump.
Well, that would certainly be an interesting new direction to try after 250 years of the opposite.
Yeah that point is hard to argue ay, even with the better leaders.
Democrats have been playing the “well they suck, but at least they’re not Trump!” game for a decade and gotten Trump two out of three times. Maybe we should aim higher.
100% with you, I don’t love Newsom. Personally I’d be interested in an AOC run but that’s maybe a bit dreamer of me.
The best pushback for this message is to post the entire interview between Newsom and Ben Shapiro and then tell me again who cares about people.
As compared to some of the other candidates that might have run if the Democratic Primary were an actual primary and not a coronation.
The last time Democrats ran an actual primary ws 2008, when a young, generational candidate beat out the (kinda boring) establishment choice. Democrats learned their lesson to never let something encouraging like that happen again!
Gavin’s gonna win the Primary, as his right as the Next One Up, and we’re all gonna vote for him, because as awful as he is, he is objectively better than whoever the MAGA party will run.
And this is the exact attitude why nothing will ever change in this country. You can’t keep voting in people hellbent on maintaining the hegemony capital has over everyone and expect anything to get better for you.
In the history of Democratic party, there was exactly one time where the candidate that the DNC chose, actually lost a popular vote. Exactly one.
It was in 2008, when a young, generational candidate actually lost the popular vote by 1% to the (kinda boring) establishment choice, but was chosen anyway.
It’s nice to have this simplistic worldview, when “they” control everything anyway so you don’t have to do anything and just complain when “they” don’t do what you want. It’s harder to confront the reality when “they” actually consist of all the people around you, and the only reason you don’t get what you want is because you don’t do shit.Nice try, but the popular vote doesn’t mean anything in primaries, because the elections are held over a period of time and many candidates drop out mid-way through, so we will never know how many Joe Biden or John Edwards voters would have voted for Obama over Clinton. Clinton did not win a majority of votes, after all.
Obama won a majority of pledged delegates, even before taking the undemocratic Super Delegates into account, and it’s delegates that count.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries
Democrats don’t need to mess with the counting of votes to “fix” primaries. They do it the old fashioned way, by manipulating the primary calendar to make certain candidates inevitable.
Popular vote reflects how people who actually vote think. Candidates aren’t appearing out of thin air, they’re nominated as the result of political campaigns.
You can’t shift the blame for candidates to ambiguous “them” if you didn’t get your ass to try to affect it in any way. The delegates represent pretty nicely the opinion of people who actually vote in Primaries, with almost perfect track record. They don’t represent your opinion because you don’t vote therefore don’t have an opinion. So you don’t get to complain about what party that you’re not in is doing. Want it to change? Use the ways to change it. Those ways aren’t hidden from you, aren’t secret, aren’t gatekeeped by a shadow cabal, you just need to do politics about it. People who get their candidates elected do that.Primaries need to be on one fucking day across the nation.
Make it ranked choice or some other system that works properly with more than 2 candidates while we’re at it.
Settling for any centrist with a pulse is how we got Trump.
And Bush Jr 2nd term. Possibly first term
So more of that lesser evil bullshit that’s given us trump and helped shift the entire DNC to the right?
They’re not the only options, stop framing it that way. That’s how the shitty billionaires keep winning, by forcing that narrative
Okay? So what just don’t vote? Ignore the system? Become a politician myself and run for president? Seriously, what are my many options you speak of?
Primaries haven’t happened yet. He hasn’t even officially announced.
Your options are: to stop talking like it’s going to be PEDOnald/Couchfucker vs Newsom.
This isn’t that conplicated. Holy shit.
I don’t see how I’ve talked like that but okay.
If you want to know what the flat comparison should be, it’s AOC. She is, in reality, a centrist.
Now go again with the comparison.
I’d def take AOC over probably anyone else tbh. I don’t like Newsom but I do enjoy the way he trolls Trump all the time.
No, I disagree.
Trump is creating a chaotic shitstorm, but it’s almost entirely performance and theater and mindless destruction, all focused around him and his personality.
If you get someone in there with the same agendas and intentions, but who is cunning enough to mask it under populism and pretending to care about people while signing into law bills that will allow capital to have unrestricted access to our lives, allow them to take part in our politics even more and in the open, packing the courts with corporate aligned-judges… well Liberal america will be HAPPY with this, they just don’t want to see all the violence in the street, they want stability and the image of peace, which will let someone like Newsom soak up all the adoration for “making America normal again” while signing away all of our futures in a much less openly opposable way.
Trump caused the wound, but someone like Newsom will rub the sewage into it.
he will repeal 20% of Trump’s orders and people will celebrate it. He will restore a fraction of what Trump has undone and people will celebrate his name and see him as a hero just because we’ve become accustomed to total chaos. It almost looks carefully planned. Hmmn.
There’s an argument that most of the stuff done in trumps name would be “ok” if he did it legally and that’s what people wanted. It’s the abuse of authority, the personal enrichment, violating the constitution, holding people above the law, enforcing personal feelings, violating checks and balances that are the critical issues.
I wouldn’t want to live in such a society but it would at least be “legitimate”
Newsom says he’s eager to pitch a big tent for the Democratic Party, declaring that he welcomes the likes of former US senator Joe Manchin as well as New York’s socialist mayor Zohran Mamdani in the fold. “I want it to be the Manchin to Mamdani party,” Newsom said in November.
Newsom can fuck right the hell off. Manchin represents everything that is wrong with the Democratic party and so, apparently, does Newsom.
declaring that he welcomes the likes of former US senator Joe Manchin
Turn our backs and give them extra knives, huh gav?
What, this guy? Surely not.
gavin isn’t the greatest but he was just following state law
https://bsky.app/profile/parkermolloy.com/post/3merscb5bhs2i
Parker Molloy @parkermolloy.com rubs temples
As I’ve spent the better part of the day explaining why I don’t think Newsom should be the Democratic nominee for president, it pains me to “defend” this, but…
The governor of California is legally obligated to proclaim each Feb 6 Reagan Day per a 2010 state law.
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You’re saying that elected officials in the USA are subject to laws?
I got bad news for you… Also the person dnc/dems elected to give the state of the union rebuttal did nothing but say we should go back to Reagan times so really shows how much the dems are gonna fight
Best way I’ve heard to describe him is, “at least he’s lawful evil”
Such is the standards of our time, where Law, even an Evil variety, is better than the purely malicious Chaos we have. Mostly because the law is running on the fading fumes of Neutral.
Given a few decades of Newsom, we would have Ronald Reagan Deluxe.
You mean the serial adulterer who can’t read and whose entire life has been sponsored by a Getty oil heir isn’t a good candidate for president of the United States? Shocked.
I thought his inability to read was because of ADHD. We back to hatin on disabilities again?
I mean, in addition to what everyone else said, disabilities can in fact disqualify you from being a good president.
If someone is non-verbally autistic with an ID diagnosis, it’s not ableist to say they aren’t a good candidate to be president.
Obviously this is a spectrum, and ADHD shouldn’t be, on its face, disqualifying. But if it’s so bad you’re literally illiterate, then it’s no ableist to say that makes you a bad candidate to be president.
Eh… Context is important. I think if he had overcome his disability and managed to power through it to achieve a decent education that would actually be a plus.
Instead he has a bachelor’s from an expensive private school where he “studied” abroad. I think it’s just indicative of his history of being able to rely on connections and money to achieve his position in life. And it makes me doubt that he is educated enough or willing to work hard enough to learn all the things someone should know to be president of the United States.
As someone who has a neurodevelopmental disorder, my problem isn’t that he has a learning disability. It’s that he’s a rich fuck boy with a learning disability, which is a powerful combo. I know if I had a friend who just gifted me multi-million dollar businesses that allowed me to do whatever I wanted…I would be an idiotic terror.
I tutor, and I’ve ran into lots of rich boys with disabilities who learn that they can get their parents to pay for their homework to be done for them (or the mom does it herself…). Fired a client because he had too much of a “reading disability” to do the required reading for the paper we were writing - previous tutors would write his papers for him!
Yep. I have a position at a teaching hospital where we teach residents from all over the country. The ones from pay to play private schools are always subpar both in their education and especially in people skills. Most of them drop, or pivot to administration positions where they don’t have to associate with everyday people.
Okay but why drag in his ability to read at all ? Seems like there are valid enough reasons to hate the guy. No need to pitch so low.
I think it’s pertinent to the conversation, the leader of the country should be well read. We can currently see what happens when they are not.
ADHD has no impact on reading ability.
If he has reading problems, it’s due to something else.
Not directly but it can accompany dislexia making learning traditionally much harder. Ive known and grew up with a few.
Watching how fast he threw the trans community under the bus told me everything I needed to know about him. He has the moral compass of a boiled piece of spaghetti… fuck this corpo dem.
