I have spent hours looking through the files and some of the stories are absolutely disgusting. I am having such a hard time because so many citizens don’t even know how awful they get and they aren’t all even fully released… I am close to feeling like we need pitchforks, torches and shovels if this justice system won’t actually do anything… He had a ranch where a witness wrote in saying there are TWO bodies located on the property and they haven’t even reported that in the media. I’ll link that one below too. It’s just so… Horrible. We can’t just pretend this doesn’t exist… but idk what happens next for the United States and the world. It’s not something a country just moves on from.
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA00078198.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 9/EFTA01249507.pdf
What else are liberals going to need to realize that there is no reform for this sytem? I couldn’t fabricate something that so obviously demonstrates that this system is built to the benefit of the wealthiest through the brutalization of everyone else.
No bro please just vote for Newsom this one time bro let the billionaires just do a little more child raping so that way I won’t need to move away for another couple years please
Atm, anything in the Files critical of the current Ukrainian leadership or that connect Epstein to human trafficking in or through Ukraine is getting blasted as “Russian Propaganda”. So it looks like we’re back to the old Hillary Clinton game of insisting “Stupid Internet conspiracy theories are making us lose”.
They believe they’re financially comfortable and not in any danger as long as they only make sad noises and wring their hands about “the issues we face” and “problems that need to be fixed”. They still rely on being a cog in the system to eat, so they can’t really bring themselves to bite the hand just yet.
They won’t get angry until they realize it’s their retirement, lives, and children at risk. Even then, they’ll rationalize a lack of action due to “powerlessness”, conveniently forgetting that the first step is organization, not leaping onto action as an individual and getting steamrolled.
Wasn’t a genuine question, more of an expression of exacerbation. However, I think this is a stance that demonstrates a less actionable understanding of liberals.
It’s true that many have a material interset in the maintenance of capitalist systems – and all the violence that is necessary for them to exist whether they acknowledge that openly or not – but you’re framing it moralistically as though these people also choose to both be dependent on that system, and be neglected the knowledge and skills necessary to recognize necessary action. I do understand the pessimism deeply, as my experience has taught me that many do choose to remain in ignorance when the opportunity is given; for a number of reasons, but entitled petulance is certainly a factor. If you listen to workers though, you’ll notice they do understand that the issue is systemic and not effectively met by individual action. As you said, recognizing what that systemic failure is, who it serves and why, and how to organize in opposition to it are skills that require years of knowledge building to develop. Even further, fascist disinformation campaigns are made more effective by this ignorance when they validate internalized setter-colonial values which these people obviously don’t know to be fascistic in the first place. There’s nothing convenient about being purposefully disempowered, and no shame in the inability to sacrifice the wellbeing of your dependents to participate in action (or “bite the hand”) if you’ve never been taught about organization.
When you say this, I can’t help but wonder if you’ve seen firsthand the immense levels of anxiety in working-class, blue-collar families as the failures of this system become undeniable and they are indeed unable to understand exactly what to do about it. They don’t need the system to completely fall apart to become motivated, many have felt insecure their entire lives and suffered the everpresent threat of homelessness or disability inflicted on them and their families. Those same people have been receptive to systemic change for a long time, and you’re right, they are victims of a system that holds their security hostage behind compliance. Maybe if you’ve only lived in an affluent suburb, it’s easier to entertain the idea that people only ever choose inaction, but I’m afraid this thinking is more limiting than the catharsis is worth. I’ve found it better to meet them with empathy and focus on language building or talking points that emphasize the insecurity of this system that they intuitively know to be true, and educate them on different risk levels of action. There isn’t a threshold where people like that will suddenly be receptive to systemic change, they’ve wanted it their whole lives and we’re seeing the consequences of their desire in the success of populist fascist rhetoric in this moment.
When you say this, I can’t help but wonder if you’ve seen firsthand the immense levels of anxiety in working-class, blue-collar families as the failures of this system become undeniable and they are indeed unable to understand exactly what to do about it.
I’m part of one of those families. I’ve lived among them my whole life. It’s not a moral judgement, just an observation on human behavior. And I was talking about those in the suburbs more than my own neighborhood.
Then you do get it to a degree, hopefully. This is moralistic though, the assertion that this reflects some natural human behaviour is as well. Suburbs are also not only home to the affluent, suburban sprawl has made them affordable and effective sites of working-poor isolation and precarity exactly because they have hindered the construction of high-density housing and are so difficult to survive in without a reliable flow of cash. If you’ve lived in communities of factory workers who, while tenuously secure, remember the 2008 Recession sharply, then you know what I mean when I say that there are liberals who understand that foundational systemic change is needed but do not have the time or energy to learn what that means in like terms to what socialist and anarchist theorists or activists use.
It really is unsatisfying to lose the option of discarding people in catharsis, but that is necessary to foster empowerment of workers who only have the tools they’ve been given.
Then you do get it to a degree, hopefully.
Look, so, I know I came across as dismissive in my first reply, but you’re also coming across as really condescending. Not sure if you’re aware, but if your intent is to reach out with empathy and understanding, you might want to consider that.
I get it. I’ve been reaching out to people for more than 30 years and watching them consistently go against their best interests for about the same amount of time. A little cynicism is natural.
I’m sure in a face to face we’d probably agree on most things, but this conversation doesn’t feel productive. Thanks for taking the time to reply and good luck out there.
When are leftists going to actually do something? Like. Sure. I’d be happy under Communism, but the momentum just isn’t there in America, unfortunately
Way to self-report your inactivity. I have never lived in a city in my country without multiple mutual aid organizations that took action to improve the material conditions of marginalized groups or participate in public demonstrations to platform their criticisms that were explicitly anarchist or socialist in their political orientation. I bet you have never actually taken the time to learn just how dependent the US system is on programs developed by Black Liberationist mutual aid groups, or how much of your environmental protections have resulted from indigenous and Native American resistance. Have some perspective ffs, just because you’re just now hearing about these things doesn’t mean they only appear in your line of sight.
PROSECUTE ALL OF THEM
The DOJ has pulled down the second file linked
Not at all to take away from how horrifying Epstein and every other fuck that joined him is, because they’re all fucking disgusting and should be fucking shot. Fuck every one of them.
But also, what the fuck is that font?
There should not exist a class of people with such unaccountable power that they can do these things and get away with it.
This isn’t just about Epstein, Trump and all the other child rapists on those files (although they should definitely go to prison); it’s about the system that makes this possible, and puts the worst possible people in a position to do this and get away with it.
We were warned about greed, money, and corruption. This is the result of us ignoring the problem until it festers and turns into an infection that will eventually kill us. We cannot have a civilized society with these kind of wealth gaps while allowing money in politics.
No one is asking about the girls that did not make it back from the island. These criminals are lucky we are no longer in the medieval period
These criminals are lucky we are no longer in the medieval period
Medieval Europe, a region and time period famous for its strict stance against rich old men having sex with children.
the point is that there is not a critical mass of people willing to risk everything to change things.
In the Medieval times it would be the same. Would the average person really want to try and storm castle against professional soldiers wearing plate armour?
Clearly that wasn’t important enough to keep in his documents. What gets buried at sea, stays at sea.
On a side note, we know that hundreds, sometimes thousands of children disappear in war zones. This has happened in Ukraine, is happening in Palestine. Keeping regions destabilised benefits monsters. I would argue most of the aggressors leaderships are proven monsters. Some of those are very well acquainted with Epstein.
We need to take cadaver dogs to Trumps golf courses and epsteins properties
Remember, the FBI found NOTHING to even start looking into an investigation.
Zero reasons.
Luigi 'em all
I’m sincerely wondering if all these Epstein files are real. Like, it would be a fantastic distraction from ICE, midterm elections meddling and all the rest, to grab random snuff pics from the darkest places of the web, accompanying them with outrageous AI generated descriptions/slop, and let people go crazy over thousands and thousands of documents created this way.
I can’t believe the US government would let people access the Epstein files without having some advantage in doing so.
They’ve been doing everything they can to avoid it, while being (at least minimally) bound by the very obvious optics around that.
Where do you think such awful pics come from anyway? Why NOT these people, why is it MORE plausible to come from not-them?
Tread carefully, you sound sus.
Tread carefully, you sound sus.
Are you serious? I’m just throwing an idea here. How can you be so sure all this data is legit, when the DOD had plenty of time to add or remove anything they wanted?
I am NOT a trump supporter, far from it, but I won’t believe something just because it would fit nicely in my worldview.
What I find sus is the fact that they released the files when nothing stopped them from keeping them secret.
“I don’t believe parts of this are credible” is a reasonable stance. I share it.
“Here’s what I think instead…” (followed by, frankly, a lot of dumb shit) is much less so.
And some of your “my idea instead” sounds so dumb, that it sounds intended to distract. Sus.
It’s just a hypothesis. I’m open to counterarguments. Calling someone dumb doesn’t count as one.
Okay, here’s the counterargument. Your “hypothesis” does a less good job of explaining our observations than the much simpler explanation (that things instead are exactly as they seem…) and it also conveniently points blame away from the exact people who are doing everything they fucking can to dodge ANY amount of blame for any of this.
So your “hypothesis” helps the worst fucking people alive, and hinders our ability to understand by introducing utter nonsense and saying “maybe it’s this instead”.
That’s more rebuttal than it deserves, and I already basically said those things above. Do you want me to keep going? I can make it even more clear how foolish and harmful it is to be out here “just asking questions, man”. We’ve seen this shit you’re doing before.
I think we can assume that among the millions of available documents, some are entirely true, others are completely fabricated, and most fall somewhere in between these two extremes. It would be naive to consider everything as true. We would need to sort through them, but the DOJ has given us no information allowing us to do so. It looks too much like a disinformation tactic not to be suspicious (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood). On the other hand, they took several months before making everything available. One can assume that during that time, they didn’t just sit there with their arms crossed looking at the pile of documents: they likely spent a lot of time modifying documents to limit damage on their end and, in the process, cast doubt on their enemies.
It would indeed be highly implausible for 100% of the documents to be fabricated or AI-generated (and besides, I claimed no such thing), but it is difficult to rule out that some of the available documents are completely fake.
Highlighting this fact is absolutely not ‘helping criminals.’ You say that my hypothesis helps the worst people alive, but can you give me a list of their names? No. These documents serve only to enrage people in a vacuum without pointing a finger on anyone guilty. Very useful for the regime.
Also, it is certainly simpler to believe that ‘all these documents are true’ as you do, but that is not an explanation—and that is not how Occam’s Razor works.
Please note that I am not attacking you or your intentions. I think we’re on the same side.
It sounds like we do essentially agree, I have nothing to disagree about in this last comment and feel basically the same way.
The initial phrasing sounded, to me, like carrying water for their own disinformation efforts. It sounded like “nah it’s probably this other thing and besides, none of it can be real, they’d never let us access it if it were”. I realize you didn’t concretely state those things.
And I acknowledge I’m sensitive about the topic, too, but knowing the severity of the crimes (even without including the most lurid reports) and the way this administration behaves, I think that’s the right stance and wouldn’t really conduct myself differently here.
But I’m glad to know what you think and that it isn’t what it sounded like to me.
I have found myself gaslighting myself about them because they are so absolutely horrific and tragic but sadly I do believe they are very much so real. Massie stated the reason they are avoiding releasing them all is due to connect with Isreal and high level officials… It will uncover so much messed up crap and a lot of officials are terrified of the massad because release feels like a death sentence. Biden should have released them. He is so old and near deaths door. He should have taken one for the team and just done it! I know Trump wont.
Its disgusting. My heart hurts knowing so many babies have been brutalized and tortured for so long… and they still are today.
Wait until you find out parts of it are still operational
Probably nearly all of it. Epstein and Maxwell are just the bit that was collecting kompromat on the elites.
Exactly, it’s not like they broke up the “organization”. They just said "hey could you guys keep it down in there ".
Yes it’s terrifying, and so is that font you use
❤️justice.gov❤️/epstien🥰/files 🌈🤭
lol I appreciate the font roast. I love my font but I do respect others hate for it.
I love your font.
Same, that typeface is amazing.
It was a bit of light in the dark 💕
Agreed. We need an assassins guild, but with people who can get the job done rather than nerds like me at the computer. Hell, a million ants could kill someone. Maybe if there are enough nerds…
I saw a video recently about there being bulldozers at the ranch moving things… I’m not sure if I can find it again but someone needs to keep track of these assholes
Edit: found it but it won’t let me upload It’s over here https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSmk7QBJb/
