• GutterRat42@lemmy.world
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      Unfortunately, without the numbers in the house and the senate, they won’t be able to do anything. They can present articles of impeachment all they want, but they won’t get the votes from republicans.

      Their best bet is to sway the court of public opinion to help flip the house and the senate. But there are so many people who won’t give a crap, and will continue voting for the guys protecting pedophiles.

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        I suppose the Democratstm could fillibuster and obstruct every bill possible like the Republicanstm have for years until enough Republicanstm agree to enact the articles of impeachment.

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          They don’t seem to care anymore and just let them do whatever. I’d rather everything was shutdown than continue another day of doing what a child rapist wants to do

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        Democrats were in power for 4 years without releasing the files. Why would they now? Or ever?

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          Because their donors were in them. They didn’t want to reveal they go to the same island.

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            Yes, that’s why they didn’t release them. I asked, what’s changed that means they would release them now all of a sudden?

            No matter how many seats they flip, they don’t seem unable, they seem disinclined. When they were able, they chose not to.

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        Stop pretending like politicians are going to save us. 95% of them are complicit or are simply making too much money from the status quo to want to change things. We’re going to have to actually roll up our sleeves and organize ourselves if we want real change.

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          This is the defeatist shit attitude that people in power want you to have. Give up, go home, take it without lube.

          You can run, you can support other candidates, you can get involved. But you are choosing defeatism.

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            It is literally anti-defeatist. I am telling people to take more action to guarantee our democracy. If you still think the government wants to run a fair election this year, you haven’t been paying attention. The best way to make sure that doesn’t happen is to make sure our grassroots politics are stronger than theirs, so go out and organize!

            Defeatism is acting like we only have to put up with Trump until midterms or at worst next the election cycle, while doing nothing except post on social media.

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    Yeah, we know that. We ALL fucking know that. Frankly so many of us know that so clearly that they could release the whole thing and not only would nobody be surprised, but the limp wristed fuckwits in positions of power would still continue to do nothing.

    Releasing the Trump-Epstein documents would only serve to implicate anyone else who has thus far managed to fly under the radar. There can’t be anyone left with more than a room temperature IQ who is waiting to see the full unredacted documents before they FINALLY believe Trump did that shit.

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    Part of me thinks that the files are weakened by including baseless allegations from anonymous tips and that it would be better to have some hard evidence for this. But another part of me doesn’t want to have that hard evidence emerge because I dread seeing how many people will flatly deny or even try to justify or excuse it.

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        I’m pretty sure each and every single week of Trump’s presidency has had things bad enough that they have ended other political careers before, and he just doesn’t stop.

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          He is a THOROUGHLY shameless man and that is what every dipshit in the country admires about him.

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        Can you share specific credible reports? The stuff I’ve seen has been anonymous tips to the FBI tipline that were included in the files. Salacious and maybe even true, but little more than “trust me bro.” Heck, even witnesses that come forward can have questionable credibility – remember Biden accuser Tara Reade, who has since defected to Russia? I want to see persuasive evidence (though again, I kind of dread it).

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          I’ve read it as the same. Maybe not anonymous but certainly just a tip line that seemingly anyone could have reported to, with very little corroborating evidence.

          The real crime is that it wasn’t followed up on and has been actively suppressed.

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          So what would have to happen for the evidence to be credible, if a mountain of testimony isn’t? Are you going to stay skeptical until you see full unredacted video of Trump raping a child?

          One person’s testimony, in isolation, may be suspect, but this is a lot more than one person with a “Trust me bro” story.

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      I don’t think that the files are weakened by allegations from anonymous tips. But, if that’s the pillar they’re using to build their case against Trump, that’s pretty worrisome. Holding a press conference about allegations from an anonymous tip line is the equivalent of an attack ad with ominous music and vague, unprovable statements.

      If that’s what they’re going to lead with, they better at least take the angle “and it’s very telling that nobody followed up on these incredibly disturbing claims. Why weren’t they investigated?”

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          It was something he mentioned in passing. But, the focus of his press conference was the same as the headline here: “There are allegations”

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      And not all anonymous tips are baseless. Hard evidence doesn’t just show up at investigators’ doorsteps except in vanishingly rare cases. Some people are rightly afraid of retaliation. That’s why allegations are investigated, unless the threats are flagrant nonsense (“it wuz alien lizards!!”) or the justice system is captured by criminals as it is now.

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        But, many anonymous tips are baseless. That’s why there normally isn’t a press conference when those allegations haven’t yet been investigated and verified.

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    Everyone knows he’s a pedophile rapist and a racist, now we just need to know if he directly ordered murders. Most of us knows the answer tho.

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    Wouldn’t it be worse if there was nothing damning and they just weren’t releasing the files as a big fuck you to everyone else?

    As in, at this point, him just being a rapist is the best case scenario.

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    Imagine if Putin was listed in those Epstein files, it would not be “allegations”, but “confirmations” and then they would say Jeffrey Epstein was a Russian agent.

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    People are still confused or dismissive whenever I try to explain why I try to vote for character quality over party or policy. sigh

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      What’s absolutely wild is that lots of people voted for this guy bc they firmly believed he was the moral high-ground as opposed to those scary devil-loving democrats. It’s mind-boggling…

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      I mean you’re right, but also Lieu is a democrat which is already the party that his voters are more likely to vote for.

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    It would be a lot more meaningful if it were “credible allegations” or “credible evidence” or “substantiated reports”. An allegation is just a claim. Some of the stuff in the Epstein files is just calls that were made to a tip line, without any follow-up investigation. I wouldn’t be surprised if a high-profile tip line also has allegations that Trump is a lizard person, or that Epstein had psychic powers.

    It’s not that I doubt that Trump did it, it’s just that a mere allegation is nothing. If all they have is allegations, then the case against him is a lot weaker than it actually seems. If these claims were actually investigated, not just written down, they should say that. Even if the claims weren’t investigated and it’s because the FBI was ordered not to investigate, say that. Surely among the 3.5 million pages they’ve released, there’s more than just allegations. Otherwise it seems like they’re trying to pull a fast one, making it seem like a mere allegation is a sign of guilt.

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    Let even out here, them mfers should not be labeled as ‘alleged’. We all know they done ‘diddy’d’ to children…