Whether it was due to the early hour of the day or just to the blood-thirsty nature of the moment, Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth appeared particularly unhinged during the first official news …

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    No stupid rules of engagement

    This sounds like a great way to get your planes shot down by allies!

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    Whether it was due to the early hour of the day or just to the blood-thirsty nature of the moment, Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth appeared particularly unhinged during the first official news briefing about President Donald Trump’s attacks on Iran.

    are they implying he was still drunk from the night before? 🤫

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    Rules of engagement are literally how you define the difference between a civilian and an enemy combatant.

    “No rules of engagement” is military lingo for “yes to all the war crimes.”

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    No stupid rules of engagement, no nation-building quagmire, no democracy-building exercise, no politically correct wars.

    No democracy, no nation building. So what is the actual goal here? Just to shoot stuff for its own sake?

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      “Democracy” and “nation building” is just “occupation” by another name. So I guess we can take some comfort in that not being their goal?

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        Sometimes. It can be done honorably and with good outcomes; Japan and Germany post-WW2 are good examples.

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          Those are the good examples, and they worked very well. But ever since, the US seems to think they can replicate the effect by going in, bombing the place, shooting some locals, and declaring mission accomplished.

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          There are very few absolutes in life. War is bad, until you need to kill some Nazis. Occupation is bad, until you tread that fine line between Treaty of Versailles (too heavy) and 1800’s Reconstruction (too light). Statistically, you’re almost certainly not doing the right thing.

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      Also, bold move to more or less openly defy the American ideals. The moral justification for a lot of what we’ve done is to further the cause of democracy. I don’t think starting a war to bring democracy is necessarily the right decision, but starting a war and not even trying to spread democracy with it is un-American (derogatory)

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        I thought the whole reason for this was the fact that Iran has killed and imprisoned record numbers of protesters. That sounds to me like regime change is the goal here, but perhaps I’m wrong.

        I certainly don’t think they’ll ever succeed in bringing democracy (US track record is atrocious there), but at least it’d be nice if they pretended to try.

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      I have a feeling it’s as simple as wanting to use all the toys they’ve spent trillions on over the years and just want to see big explosions and play war.

      Imagine if our society provided taxpayer funded paintball/airsoft/bomb ranges so all these warmongers can get their rocks off without hurting people.

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        So just shoot the place up, see what comes out, and then declare that that was the goal all along.

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          Yeah, pretty much. I think they’re really hoping for Syria, but I’m not sure they can achieve that, Iran is a much more unified country.

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      Balkanization I think, but I don’t think that will happen because Iran has been a pretty cohesive country for thousands of years. So I suspect Trump will back down, or there will be a multi decade regional war, or there will be a world war.

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    People dunk on Pete about alcohol because he’s been drunk at inappropriate times in the past, but I think they basically ignore the fact that he probably does a ton of blow too.

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          They kicked Claude out because Anthropic doesn’t want it to be used to kill people. They use chatGPT now

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            Even worse, it’s because Anthropic didn’t want it used for mass surveillance on US citizens. They were fine with the military using it for military things.

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                I don’t know. I think I would take Anthropic’s stance. I’m okay with the military making their work more efficient. It still needs to be a human making the decisions in the kill chain, but there is a ton of processes that can be made better. I’m not okay with mass surveillance of US citizens at any capacity though. Especially not by the DoD…

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      Gotta ride that cocaethylene train

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    I dunno, maybe putting an alcoholic psychopath in charge of the armed forces wasn’t a great idea.

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    no nation-building quagmire

    Surely this is how you build the next generation of aggrieved suicide bombers?

    Oh, and create an absolutely massive migrant problem.

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      For whom?

      Europe most probably. This will strenghten right wing parties and weaken thr union… win-win. While the majority of EU is licking US boots after they started a war of agression against a sovereign nation with little to no justification of any kind… I’m tired Boss.

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        with little to no justification of any kind

        I mean Hegseth Rubio said that it was pre-emptive retaliatory action for what the Iranians were surely going to do after the Israelis attacked them. Is that not good enough for you?

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    This is how Call of Duty receives new content. Too bad the Americans are the villains now :/

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    Ergh these plebs trying tell hegseth how to fight wars, he was totally great at wars which is why his whole career was totally in the military, except for that time he left for a while because all those stupid generals wouldn’t listen to his great ideas, well now look who has to listen to who huh?!

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    My favorite was “no more politically correct wars”… So I guess the only option moving forward is politically incorrect wars? I don’t think I can keep up with the Machiavellian minds of this 4d chess administration.

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    So their plan to cheat the election is sending the troops to die in Iran, so they can’t even coup that fucking orange pedophile…