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SatyrSack@quokk.au to TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name@lemmy.worldEnglish ·
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Because apparently JPEG-XL is still unsupported nearly everywhere

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  • Star Trek: The Next Generation S6E9 “The Quality of Life”
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      This was definitely accurate at one point, but is not representive of reality today.

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        It’s still my experience most times. I’m always quite surprised when some site that isn’t Google accepts a webp.

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          Many Lemmy instances are actually configured so that any time you upload an image file, it gets automatically converted to a WebP, so as to take up less server space. Your instance (lemmy.sdf.org) is the only Lemmy instance that I have experience with that instead actually works in the opposite direction: unless something has changed recently, if you attempt to upload a WebP file to that instance, it automatically gets converted to PNG. This behaviour is all up to how the instance admin chooses to configure their pict-rs backend.

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      Hahahahaha

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    Webp isn’t better. Its support is awful. Geordy would know that.

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      What modern software does not support it? Sometimes animated images are only rendered as a static image of the first frame of the animation, but it is fairly universally supported nowadays.

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        This, along with editing, converting is a pain, lots of 3rd party apps, websites, and forms do not support uploading them etc.

        It barely has better support, but by a couple of hairs, and only half-assed at best.

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        When I started contributing to joinfediversewiki, all my screenshot uploads failed… until I wondered if it was because they were in Webp. Fortunately the site admin added it to the approved formats for me.

        Also my (formerly) preferred screenshot tool, Ksnip, doesn’t handle Webp.

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        iMessage does not support animated webp images.

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    Yeah, let’s just hand over even more of the Internet to Google. Great idea

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      Lolwat. It’s an image format, not some snooping -adjacent web tech or something.

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        not yet! (/s)

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    And yet, surprisingly, I can often get a gif down to a smaller file size and better image quality than a webp file.

    Still, there’s hope for it yet if it improves!

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      I would have to see that to believe it

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      Aren’t gifs just each individual frame bundled together? So there’s no space saving with a gif without reducing resolution

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        I think they can be a little more complex than that. When creating a GIF in GIMP, there is a function to “Optimize” which gets rid of redundant pixels that are the exact same on multiple frames (or something like that). Whatever it does, it definitely reduces the final file size. Any time I make an animation that has to be a GIF file for whatever reason, I try to make it in GIMP to make use of that feature.

        https://docs.gimp.org/3.0/en/plug-in-optimize.html

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        GIF uses transparency to overlay a frame over the previous one, so colors for the unchanged pixels can be collapsed to the transparent color to get better compression.

        Of course, this is rather primitive compared to anything invented since MPEG-2.

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          Huh the more you know

          Always thought gif was essentially implemented as a slideshow and that modern codecs implement all the space saving that gif doesn’t

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    AVIF is also great! if for some reason you don’t like webp because google makes it, AVIF uses AV1 which is an open codec.

    it’s also much smaller. great for web graphics

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    I don’t trust webp. I don’t like its name.

    Look at me! The web will now use my picture standard.

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      Regarding its name: I had no idea until today that the B is silent

      WebP (/ˈwɛpi/ WEP-ee)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebP

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        Oh god, another image file name war? “We pee” love it that’s great, now it’ll get traction for sure, ha.

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      It’s pronounced vepp.

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    Experimental JPEG-XL support in Firefox (and forks) can be enabled by setting the pref image.jxl.enabled to true in about:config.

    https://jpegxl.info/resources/jpeg-xl-test-page.html

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      And why does it have to be experimental anyway? It’s been supported by everything that uses the standard libraries in Linux for quite some time.

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    Voyager on Android works, Firefox (and variants) all seem to work.

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    Obligatory jwz take on webp.

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    svg is da way

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      SVG is a vector format that’s completely inappropriate for photographic-type stuff.

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    Will this settle the gif/jif debate once and for all?

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      Gif is pronounced like gorilla or giraffe or is not hard

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    What about j2k?

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    What about gifv

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      gifv is not a format. It’s just Imgur pretending that a MP4 file is something different.

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