• Capt. Wolf@lemmy.world
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    You can fucking have him… If he’s got any blood left in him and it’s not all just McDonald’s brand cholesterol™, you’re welcome to it.

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      The safety of civilians in the region. You don’t have to pick a side. We can simultaneously acknowledge that the Iranian and the US regimes are fucked up.

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      why? all nations are evil. that’s a given. trump’s run to be another hitler has involved partnership with genocide and kidnapping and invasion of multiple nations.

      he’s clearly the bigger evil here.

      iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.

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        iran is a piece of shit but they’re not a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations.

        But they have been supplying drones to a worldwide imperialist terrorist organization actively invading other nations…

        We can say both sides are evil, it’s okay. Nuance is rare enough already as it is without needing to discourage it when we see it.

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          all nations are evil. but the one in which I am currently stuck I am allowed, at least currently, to recognize is doing harm to the world the likes of which has never before been seen.

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            Sure, but that doesn’t mean we have to choose one to support. Saying the IRGC is evil doesn’t imply support for the US invasion, and saying the US invasion is evil doesn’t imply support for the IRGC.

            It’s like sanity has gone out there window. Let’s not forget that not supporting either side is always an option.

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              i do not support any side. what gave that opinion? i am just currently reacting to how deplorable the side i am stuck under is behaving.

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                I wasn’t trying to say you in particular are choosing a side. Just venting about how on lemmy in general, a lot of people overreact if I say anything even slightly critical of the Iranian regime.

                Even before this US/Israeli invasion, on a post about iranian student protesters, people were accusing me of being a zionist because it expressed support for the Iranian students who were protesting…

                Yes, the current regime in the US is deplorable. The regime in the Knesset is also deplorable. But the Iranian regime is deplorable too. Like, it’s entirely possible for all those things to be true, and they are…

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      Iran loves to issue empty threats.

      They’ve been crippled. Their ability to project artillery outside their borders is receding with every passing day. As soon as the US/Israel offer them a seat at the bargaining table, they’ll come rushing back just like they have every other time the US/Israel has pushed their shit in.

      If you love getting rug-pulled, go ahead and root for Iran.

      If you want to cheer for the team with the kind of blood-lust necessary to obliterate a civilization, you’d be better off cheering for the US and Israel.

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        The war just started. How do you even know what tricks they have up their sleeves? You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam? This is the same hubris Putin demonstrated. Don’t jump the gun.

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          the US has quadrupled military hardware production. That extra juice is for Russia, Putin will be out of the Kremlin in 2 to 3 years. He does not have to like it.

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          You think dropping big explosives from the air is the only form of warfare? How did that work out for you in Vietnam?

          Killed a whole lot of people

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            Yeah. Killing little school girls is all you can claim as an achievement! After all, little school girls are the field of expertise of your supreme commander, aren’t they?

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              We killed a whole lot of school girls in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq as well. Didn’t get the same kind of coverage, because the executive branch (and the public) were more disciplined in messaging.

              But I think a lot of warfare is, at the end of the day, a libidinal need to “mow the grass” as the genocidal IDF leadership put it. Kill your enemies. Kill their families. Kill their kids. Depopulate territory of opposition.

              Do I think dropping big explosives from the air works toward that end? Absolutely.

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                I never thought of the US as a benevolent invasion force. I knew they massacred ordinary people. And clearly, you’re part of the problem here.

                But I’m not talking about that. Despite all the bombs you drop, you fail to achieve anything in the end. Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq. Is there one invasion you can say you’re proud of? Perhaps psychopaths like you can, based entirely on the blood shed. But for human beings, you just keep sacrificing soldiers till you withdraw with your tail tucked behind you. You create powerful enemies who go on to cause even more damage to you. It’s your shortsightedness and simplistic thinking that defeats you in the end.

                Meanwhile, your equating human lives to grass, is just lack of humanity. I just pity you. But don’t believe for a second that you’re immune to it. One day it will be someone else doing it to you.

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                  But I’m not talking about that.

                  You and the rest of the US national media.

                  Despite all the bombs you drop, you fail to achieve anything in the end.

                  Tell it to Raytheon stockholders. Hell, tell it to Facebook stockholders.

                  More importantly, tell it to every single Palestinian rendered homeless by the Nakba and the subsequent seventy years of genocidal policy. Israel exists in its current state because they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and took their homes, their farms, and cut off their access to Arab neighbors.

                  Meanwhile, your equating human lives to grass

                  Mowing the grass (Hebrew: כיסוח דשא) is a metaphor used to describe periodic Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip to manage the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

                  The term was coined by Efraim Inbar and Eitan Shamir, two columnists for The Jerusalem Post and strategic studies researchers.

                  Naftali Bennett referred to the idea in a speech in 2018 when he said “מי שלא מכסח את הדשא, הדשא מכסח אותו” (‘He who does not mow the grass, the grass mows him’)

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                I see that you have more downvotes than upvotes. It shows you that people do not like what you say even if it is true.

  • EndOfLine@lemmy.world
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    Hey Iran!

    Don’t forget about the rest of his family and all the sycophants that prop him up.

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    We double dog dare you.

    Killing the US president out of retaliation for an illegal war would make us … unhappy … or something. Maybe … I dunno.

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      And by no means, never think about killing the megadonors, even though they’d be softer targets. Without them the US would never be the same…

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        Thanks for mentioning these fine examples of “corporations are people” democracy patriots in action.

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    This sinking seems like a really big deal to me, but I don’t feel like it’s been treated that way. Everyone seems to react like it’s just another example of Trump being shitty, and it is, but also, we sank another country’s warship with a torpedo. That seems pretty momentous no matter what country it was.

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      And it was unarmed, coming back from an exercise that was essentially a parade. Bonus points of shit!

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      This is only the second warship sunk by a nuke sub (HMS Conqueror) and the first warship the US has sunk with a sub since 1945. We won’t talk about the Russian cargo ship that “exploded” in 2024.

      In the frame of war, this is big. In the frame of history this is huge. The lack of coverage and the apathy to it is ridiculous. This has never happened in our lifetime, well unless you are 80, so we have that going for us…at least its new lol.

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        It’s the first fully unarmed warship sunk though, so that makes it unique. Also extra unique is that the nation and crew were basically invited first to the parade in part by the USA. So basically it’s one for the history books in that is a modern red wedding.

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      Different from smashing their airfields with missiles? Or, is it different because of where it happened?

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        It feels different in a few ways to me. One, it feels much more personal and “fuck you in particular.” It’s one thing to lob missiles at a base and fuck whoever happens to be there, but you KNOW there’s a real possibility that you kill every mother effer on that ship if you hit it with a torpedo.

        I’m not articulating it very well, but it’s just got a different sort of cruelty that something like shelling an airbase just lacks for me.

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          I guess I can sort-of see where you’re coming from. Presumably when they’re bombing an airbase they’re trying to hit planes, destroy runways, etc. If you’re in the break room at the time there’s a decent chance you don’t die. If you’re working on a plane, you’re probably dead. But, when you sink a ship, everyone goes into the water and there’s a good chance they’ll die.

          To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.

          OTOH, at least when you sink a military ship there won’t be civilian casualties. If the US had actually declared war on Iran, which of course never happened, but if… then another warship is actually a valid target. This isn’t like blowing up an apartment building because a guy on your kill list is in one of the apartments.

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            Good points, especially this one:

            To me, the fact that it happened nowhere near Iran is the bigger deal. It means that parts of the world that aren’t aligned with either side in the war now have to wonder what might explode in their own territory.

            I skipped right over that but it’s part of it for sure.

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        It’s an expansion of the theater of war. Virtually all of modern warfare has taken place on the land and in the air. There haven’t been true naval battles in a long time.

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          There haven’t been any naval battles, but there have been plenty of naval ships sunk.

          It’s an expansion of the theatre of war, because it happened outside Iran. The method doesn’t really matter to the theatre of war. It is different that it was a naval vessel hitting another naval vessel. In the past there have been missiles launched from naval vessels that hit ground or air targets, and plenty of naval vessels sunk by missiles or drones. But, I’m not sure how relevant that is.

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    We will absolutely not regret sinking it if you do that. How many warships will it take to do the whole line of succession?

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      It would be nice to see, but I still wouldn’t have paid 130 human beings just to get another nation do something that should be done by an American. We can’t let these foreigners take our jobs or something.

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    Ironically, so does his medical team. Based on the bruising, wouldn’t surprise me if they’re having to draw blood constantly for all the testing required to keep his corpse functional.