The head of Iran’s parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy said that by providing drone support to Israel, Ukraine has “effectively become involved in the war.”

Zelenskyy earlier stated that Kyiv has already deployed interceptor drones and a team of specialists to help protect US military bases in Jordan.

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    Hmmm, I wonder how Ukraine ever managed to become so proficient in shooting down Iranian drones, years before anyone else?

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        Ukraine is sending neither drones nor soldiers inside of Iran.

        Thousands of Iranian drones have landed into Ukrainian soil, though.

        Also are you telling me the Iranians sent the drones to Russia and just sent them flight instructions printed on an A4 paper instead of Iranian instructors…?

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          Ukrainian soldiers are operating the drones to defend the genocidal ethnostate and the US bases bombing Iran. This is not giving instructions, this is participation in the war.

          Ironically Ukraine is sending soldiers and interceptors from their own frontlines. Guess they don’t need them more than Netanyahu.

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            Iranian soldiers operated the drones sent by a demand of a genocidal ethnostate to bomb Ukraine. This is not giving instructions, this is participation in the war.

            Now, because of involvement of these chaps, Ukraine has a technology that is in high demand in the world, for whatever reason. It’s very single cellular to assume that the technology is not scalable, and that literally every person who can be involved in scaling of a technology must be digging trench somewhere in Donetsk.

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              Russia is not a genocidal ethnostate. Go look at the percentage of civilian casualties in the Ukraine war and the percentage in Gaza and then learn what terms mean. Russia does commit “war crimes” (whatever that word means nowadays) but they are most certainly not committing genocide.

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              Talking about a genocidal ethnostate is pretty rich in a thread defending Israel and its allies

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                Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.

                But it’s they are not the only one committing genocide, and your mates from around here are making it very weird turning people suffering into genocide Olympics.

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                  Israel and USA can go and fuck themselves with a bomb shaped dildo for all I care.

                  Okay, so we can agree that Israel and the US are evil.

                  So. What does it say about Ukraine that they are on the same side?

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              Funny that you think the Ukrainian startup model is scalable. Neither is the USonian drone program. Iran could kill every US soldier allegedly being deployed with a single drone each and it wouldn’t even cut into their stockpile.

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              Zelensky supports nazis and child fukers and child killers. Means in retrograde it was a right choice by Iran

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            A reasonable person would assume that Ukraine sending small teams over is meant to encourage, or pay back favours in terms of support in their defence against a forgein invading genocidal ethnostate. On top of wanting to help deal with Iran seeing as Iranian drones have been bombing them for years now.

            So what exactly is ironic? It’s very much in their best interest that Iran can no longer supply Russia with drones.

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                They saw it used to describe Israel and assumed its just a synonym for “bad”, because they have the political understanding of a 12 year old

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                Sure, so that ethnic minorities in Russia have faced disproportionat military conscriptions and sent to the front as meat waves are just coincidence then.

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                  Meat waves

                  Goebbels would be proud of the longevity of his bullshit. This is old nazi propaganda invented as cope to explain all the times they got outmaneuvered on the battlefield by the “Slavic untermenschen”.

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              Iran no longer provide drones to Russis and ukraine is joining Israel who want another genocide in Iran. When are you going to call for bombing China?

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                Obviously not, they’re busy sending whatever they have at various military bases around the region.

                I’m not going to argue against Israel wanting a genocide in Iran. I agree, they do want a genocide. I agree, it is bad.

                What Ukraine is doing is offering their knowledge in drone interception. Seeing as they have years of experience when it comes to intercepting Iranian shahed drones.

                Probably hoping to get some additional support when/if the war in Iran ends.

                Why would I call for bombings in China? When have called for bombing anywhere? Please let me know. Because I can not recall doing it even once.

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                  The bases in the Gulf are the eyes and ears of the USA and Israel. Helping the Gulf during the war is helping Israel and the USA who want to commit genocide.

                  Europe is now the main contributor to the defense of Ukraine. In the future, the USA’s support will become useless. All the consequences of the war right now benefit Russia, not Ukraine. The war will last years. Iran will never surrender even if the regime is falling. Zelensky meeting with the traitor, the son of the Shah, and with Trump not supporting him taking power shows to me that Zelensky wants to take vengeance on Iran for the Shaheds. If you can have peace talks with Putin knowing how untrustworthy he is, could Europe and Ukraine talk to Iran and try to detach it as a Russian ally with economic and diplomatic deals?

                  Isn’t it weird that there is talks with Iran for the civil nuclear program that Israel claims to be a program to build . A country with extremist religious leaderships will not disrespect and ignore a religious decree from the “supreme” leader banning nuclear weapons . How about the talk being centered on the Ukraine war?

                  Why would I call for bombings in China? because China support more substantially the Russian invasion

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              a forgein invading genocidal ethnostate.

              Liberals aren’t even pretending to think words mean things anymore

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                Sure, let’s begin with the major events

                The Circassian Genocide (1863–1878)

                Decossackization (1919-1920s)

                Holodomor (1930–1938)

                Kazakh Famine (1931–1933)

                The Polish Operation (1937–1938)

                Then you have the deportation of entire ethnic groups such as

                Crimean Tatars (1944)

                Chechens and Ingush (1944)

                You have partial mass deportations such as in the baltics in the 1950s

                The next major event comes in the first and second Chechen wars (1994-1996 and 1999-2009)

                And then you have the obvious present day war in Ukraine. With ethnic minorities facing disproportionate conscriptions and sent to the front.

                Now that’s a lot of effort to reduce and relocate ethnic minorities! Almost as if we have a pattern of it dating back more than 100 years.

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                  Just a few questions.

                  Why do you sesperate the “holodomor” from the Kazakh famine? It was the same famine, it also affected western Russia.

                  Why do you condemn the soviets retaking Ukrainian and Lithuanian land (that had only recently been lost) after the Polish government already fell? Not to mind the fact it slowed the Nazi advance and likely saved thousands at least.

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    Um, they’ve been for the past few years. Fuck’s sake Im having a hard time figuring out who the dumbest assholes in this war are.

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      Right and who was or again supplying Russia with drones all this time… ah right

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      Which war? Ukraine/Russia? Or israels dick and America’s mouth vs Iran? Or is this turning into one war now? It’s so very confusing at this point.

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        If this does turn into a world war then it’s following a Star Trek film pattern: only the even numbered ones are good justified and not completely stupid.

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    ANDDD…

    Iranian drones blowing-up Ukraina didn’t make Ukraina designate Iran as a legitimate war-target??

    Iran ought now be a legit Ukrainian target, if that’s Iran’s position.

    Ukraina’s selling defensive drones, not assault ones, from what I’ve been seeing.

    This is mere ideological-convenience/gaslighting, not accuracy-of-view.

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      Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people. Zelensky want to save isrsel and the usa who do not only want to end the ergime but also commit gaza line genocide

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      Ukraine started the hostilities in 2007. Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people

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          Ukraine has a civilian nuclear program; why can’t Iran have one? The sanctions also include the missile program, which denies Iran the right to improve its army for defense and restricts dual-use materials, affecting civilian projects as well. Trading with Israel also helps Israel kill people throughout the region.

          Furthermore, without the West making itself the enemy of Iran, Russia would never have acquired Shahed technology. By continuing to be stubborn, the West ensures Iran will get even closer to Russia, not the opposite.

          What I am advocating for is the renormalization of relations with Iran to limit Russian power; what you are suggesting is vengeance that will only hurt Ukraine, not Russia. With a vengeance mentality, one could justify First Nations in Canada helping to murder the descendants of settlers, or Africa assisting in the murder of civilians from former colonial powers.

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    Oh, I bet it will go swimmingly for Iran to attack Ukraine. Don’t they have all their oil infrastructure concentrated on one island? Ukraine has been very effective in hitting Russian oil facilities.

    Also, if anything, Iran has been involved in Russia’s unjustified invasion into Ukraine, by giving Russia access to the Shahed drones to support the mentioned invasion.

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      Lol we found the line beyond which liberals side with the fascist kid-bombers, and that line is being against their favorite reddit nazi country

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      Ukraine joined the sanctions on Iran in 2007 for the civilian nuclear program . Sanctions indirectly kill people.

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          Sanctions makes regular iranian suffer. To minimize the suffer Iran has to find allies. Iran was forced into russian and chinese arms it is a fact. Do you also think all those countries who protected Israel occupation for 7 decades make them legimate target to palestinians or ukrainian forces who participated in Iraq in 2003-2005 makes Ukraine a valid target to Iraqis . Chinese arms are also used by russia, will you support a war with China?

          The bigger winner of this war is china and the russian invaders not Ukraine. The day the west promise removing all sanctions on Iran in exchange of stopping the support for Russia and I would agree with you

          The UN is useless and many countries who designed it was still colonial powers killing people in occupied lands

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            I didn’t say that Ukraine would be a winner of this war, all I said was that if Iran were to attack Ukraine, Ukraine could replicate on iranian oil infrastructure what they are doing with russian oil infrastructure.

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              I really don’t believe Iran will strike in ukranians territories but it’s asset in the middle east region.

              Ukraine will not benefits at all from helping israel, the usa and the golf. The real winners is the russian invaders and China and Israel if Iran is destroyed and genocided.

              Russia no longer need the shahed too. They got the tech and have their own drones based on the shahed blueprint

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                Ukraine is benefitting by selling their drone interceptors and training. It’s their best avenue to secure funding for their defense against the ongoing invasion. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Ukraine has no choice but to side with the US, lest they get cut off from weapon imports and intelligence. If Europe wants Ukraine to not side with the US, they need to do more to support Ukraine. But we all know that Europe won’t meaningfully step up its support of Ukraine, so the only pathway left to Ukraine is to sell its interceptor tech to the orange in chief and the oil oligarchies.

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                  The usa moved air defenses from ukraine and south korea to protect Israel and trump ease up the sanctions on Russia. Even an idiot like Trump know the son of the shah who loves seeing his people bombed by israel and the usa is unpopular yet zelensky meet him. Nothing of what Zelensky is doing make sny sense when Russia is not beaten yet and need all the defense systems he has

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                  “We need money to buy drone interceptors, what should we do? Sell drone interceptors”

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              If the US and Israel want to bomb Irans oil infrastructure, they will do it themselves, and if they don’t, they sure as hell won’t let Ukraine do it

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      No, they have massive storage in one ityy bitty island that could very easily be turned into a huge ecological disaster

      Iran has been planning this war for decades… They’d have to be total fools to think it wouldn’t be a target. And if you know where the enemy will strike and all that

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        Well, for one, Russia also had years, and did in fact take years, to plan the invasion in Ukraine. That didn’t turn out too great. And secondly, no matter how good your plan is, if all of your oil export infrastructure is that concentrated, it is at risk.

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          Is it as concentrated as it appears? It’s basic art of war stuff, appear weak where you are strong and strong where you’re weak

          The island is basically a bomb. It’s an enormous oil depot, with millions of barrels, not processing. It would hurt Iranian exports for sure, but if they’re not idiots they’d have contingencies so they could spend the island strategically

          Russia failed because they mistook a hard target for a soft one and let their military be rotted by corruption… Their plan looked fine on paper

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    Cool beans. Hey Ukraine, after you’re done with Russia, feel free to target Iran now that they said the quiet part out loud.

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        Russia has lost over 1 million soldiers. Before the war they were already facing the consequences of years of low birth rate and very low immigration. Add to that before the war their economy was 80% of the Canadian economy with over 100 million more people. Low productivity, combined with population crunch, combined with resources wasted on war, combined with low immigration and no chance to improve that leads to economic collapse.

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    It’s funny to see Trump, Netanyahu and Zelenskyy teaming up. I bet their fanbases will soon merge too.