For some, probably practical reason the full isnad or chain of information is usually not translated, so while the English translation says it’s in her own words, it’s actually been passed through 6 people, as written in the complete Arabic text.
There is a small but existent group of Quranic muslims, who accept only Quran as the complete and total revelation from Allah.
But I resist the urge to start going through different sects and their views on their religion, rather I’d focus here on the historical aspect of what an arabian couple did or did not do on their wedding night some 1400 years ago, and that the strongest evidence is something that has passed through six people until eventually written down a couple of hundred years after the event.
To me the the hadiths are against what is said in the Quran about it being complete and sufficient. If it’s not, then those surahs are wrong, which takes some credibility off of it.
In comparison the New Testament is supposedly about Jesus, but a huge part of it is actually texts written by Paul who never even met Jesus (at least in flesh)
For some, probably practical reason the full isnad or chain of information is usually not translated, so while the English translation says it’s in her own words, it’s actually been passed through 6 people, as written in the complete Arabic text.
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There is a small but existent group of Quranic muslims, who accept only Quran as the complete and total revelation from Allah.
But I resist the urge to start going through different sects and their views on their religion, rather I’d focus here on the historical aspect of what an arabian couple did or did not do on their wedding night some 1400 years ago, and that the strongest evidence is something that has passed through six people until eventually written down a couple of hundred years after the event.
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To me the the hadiths are against what is said in the Quran about it being complete and sufficient. If it’s not, then those surahs are wrong, which takes some credibility off of it.
https://beyond-islam.org/spiritual-ethical-foundations/the-quran-is-complete/
In comparison the New Testament is supposedly about Jesus, but a huge part of it is actually texts written by Paul who never even met Jesus (at least in flesh)
https://biblehub.com/topical/t/the_case_against_paul.htm
In the end It’s Pauls teachings that divide christians, and it’s the hadiths that divide muslims.
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Agreed, thank you for the insightful conversation
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