• negativenull@piefed.worldM
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    5 days ago

    I saw this posted before elsewhere (but can’t find it now). In that version, it was stated this was posted in a Star Wars forum, which makes it doubly hilarious if true.

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    A lot of Star Wars fans are either idolizing the Empire and the Dark Side for their positions of power and control, or the Space Wizards who go out of their way to be naive and get struck down for the better good. If they’re not wearing rebel gear, they’re not default trustworthy.

    If someone watches enough Trek to wear the gear and is open about it, they are at least not against diversity and equality in their fantasy choices.

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      Also, a lot of normies like Star Wars as a normal action franchise, so there’s some general randomness to the sample. Star Trek pretty specifically appeals to that specific type of nerd, there’s a lot more consistency in the results you can expect.

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      They better tell me where to find one.

      And if another person tells me Chulak without giving me gate access, their butt is going to have a foothold situation.

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        I get where you’re coming from, but I’d like to draw your attention to this particular exchange from SG-1 S01E16:

        Colonel, the United States is not in the business of interfering in other people’s affairs.

        …Since when?

        They were always a little coy about the propaganda angle.

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        Stargate SG-1 is a lot more anarchic than Star Trek ever gets. Most of its episodes are about a group of people that almost always relies on knowledge/expertise rather than rank for decisions, trying to do their best to give societies the tools for their own liberation.

        In Star Trek, it is presented as enlightened that the protagonists will let a genocide happen if its victims are too primitive to have rights (“prime directive”). In Stargate, every injustice is worth fighting against and every person is worthy of fighting it.

        In Star Trek, challenging a captain’s bad decision is misconduct. In Stargate it’s common sense. In Star Trek, slavery gets being reinvented by the good guys because beings aren’t worthy of rights until proven otherwise. In Stargate, slavery requires a revolt.

        The main propaganda of Stargate is that the US would facilitate this behavior, rather than seeking its own imperial supremacy.

        I understand doubting whether people have this interpretation. At least an uncritical watcher of Star Trek will act like a white savior starfleet officer and help until they find some reason to judge you. Uncritical Stargate watchers might actually believe the US military tries to help people structurally and support them.

        Shal’kek nem’ron.

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          Alternative interpretation: SG-1 team is basically the galaxy class cia, fomenting usa-friendly regime change on every planet they encounter.

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            Formenting in-group-friendly regime change can be good or bad, depending on what sort of behavior is construed as “-friendly”. Some of my best friends forment in-group-friendly regime change.

            SG-1 destroyed what would have been a very profitable ally because they were space nazis, and they helped space native Americans protect their land against destructive US mining practices.

            Like with any show it’s best to enjoy it critically. I enjoy SG-1 despite it positively depicting a space CIA just like I enjoy TNG despite it positively depicting a space British Royal Navy flagship.

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    For me it would depend on what kind of Star Trek shirt it was. If it’s just a shirt that says Star Trek then not really. But if they’re wearing a fucking Starfleet uniform I will trust them with my goddamn life.

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    I enjoy Star Wars for specific reasons that I like in entertainment. The ragtag underdog fighting a strong oppressor and winning. The classic fantasy story, but in space. Swords. Small fighters dogfighting more than large ships shooting at each other.

    Now, that’s entertainment, in an action fantasy judgement. Would I want to live in a Star Wars universe over a Star Trek universe? Absolutely not. Do I agree with the moral guidelines of either major side of Star Wars? Again, not really. I definitely don’t like the empire, but even the Jedi are too much of religious fundies to me. I also think the lessons/message of Trek is generally better too.

    It’s a bit like food that’s tasty but not good for you. I enjoy it, but I’m not claiming it’s the better of the two.

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    Star Wars is too widely popular for much to be inferred by the shirt, whereas Star Trek fans tend to be more alike : nerdy, generally nice.

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    Me, staring at a guy in a Star Wars shirt: “Bet he thinks he’s the center of the universe.”

    Me, staring at a guy in a Redshirt: “This is the kind of person that’ll catch a phaser for me.”

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    Not all Star Trek fans are deep thinkers.

    Not many Star Wars fans are deep thinkers.

    And that’s all I have to say about that.

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    As Star Wars fan and someone who have been following the community for some time, i totally agreed with those people

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    It’s a bit of a shame for Star Wars that Darth Vader and stormtroopers have become so iconic.

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    Star Trek is just infinitely better and it’s a shame it’s always compared to Star Wars

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      Star Trek and Star Wars are apples and oranges. One doesn’t have to be better because they’re totally different things.

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        Star Wars is shit though and I constantly have to see about it when trying to see about Star Trek

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          I watch Star Wars for blaster shootouts, space wizards, and spaceship fights.

          I watch Star Trek for moral dilemmas, courtroom dramas, and sociopolitical commentary.

          Except when I watch Andor then I watch it for all the above.

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            That’s a great way to see it, one is pulp fictiony for pure entertainment and the other deals with way more complex themes and gets you into some philosophical shit that can be fun to ponder on.

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        I’d say that used to be true, but now there’s been a bunch of Star Wars, and there’s a lot of material from both. Nothing from Star Wars really comes close to 90s Star Trek.

        If we’re talking the original movies, and even the prequels, then definitely. And I can’t say I’m surprised it turned out that way, honestly.

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      So you’re saying you’d participate in the Star Trek wars, rather than the Star Wars trek?

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        Listen, I go to war in Star Trek, I’m probably fine. Maybe my ship gets blown up, maybe I get superpowers from an alien super consciousness. But by the end of the war I’ll be fine.

        I go anywhere in Star wars and the best case scenario I’m merely left alone to live in squalor.

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      Section 31. Nemesis. Into Darkness. Pre-Beard TNG.

      Wesley.

      Lovingly and respectfully, as a fellow sci-fi nerd, don’t throw stones in glass starships.

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        You know, Wesley was an annoying teen but seeing him show up in Prodigy after having practiced his thought powers was pretty cool. Wish we could see more of that and the Protostar

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      Hey, the poll says, “trust more”, not which one you’d trust at all.

      Both IPs have had some real stinkers from their new owners, and both have now had quite a broad scope of styles of content, too. So it’s a bit silly to say one is absolutely superior unless it’s a question of opinion and taste.

      Star Trek probably has more hours of good content, but that is solely because the older series had many seasons of 20+ episodes.

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        Valid point, I prefer the older stuff when given the choice. Seemed like they were tripping acid a lot more back then in the writers room and coming up with some really great stuff. They do seem to be worrying more about the visuals more and more lately than the content. I guess that comes with it being around so long, it gets harder to come up with zingers with time

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          I mean, they don’t need to be zingers, just competently written. It’d help if they stuck to the core tenants of Trek, too…